2 gryphon gets a break, of sorts

[LordNagetiere]

All in all, he's been doing this for 10 years. He's put in his time. Whether or not he's funny, at this point, is beside the point; talent can only take you so far. The guy's proven, at the very least, he's got persistence. And that persistence has earned him a fanbase that would literally suck his dick just to say they had. This is something any performer would kill for, and he's not satisfied with that, which also says good things about him.

So it doesn't matter if he's funny as long as he sticks with it? People like you are the reason Carrot top and Robin Williams can still get headliner billing. Also the only reason he's 'persistent' is because he was a fixture at AC from being fuckbuddies with Conway. It's not like he's actually competing with any other stand up comics at your local con.

[crossie]

he doesn't have part 3:
being funny

Boy, you didn't read the rest of the post. (Not surprising. Bit wordy.)

This guy did, though.

So it doesn't matter if he's funny as long as he sticks with it?

In a word, yes. I've seen lot's of funny guys appear at an open mic, tell some decent jokes, then never show up again. I have no respect for those people. Then there are comedians who's jokes I could care less for, some who've even died horribly onstage, but keep coming back. Those guys are my heroes.

That being said, you bring up some interesting points here.

People like you are the reason Carrot top and Robin Williams can still get headliner billing. Also the only reason he's 'persistent' is because he was a fixture at AC from being fuckbuddies with Conway.

I did not create the rules; I simply follow them. This is the industry. Being a fixture because you're fuckbuddies with the guy in charge is not unique to Anthrocon. That's how the world works. If you got off the fucking Internet and participated in life you'd understand this. Okay, that was a cheap shot.

It's not like he's actually competing with any other stand up comics at your local con.

Surely I can use PoE as a good source? Here.

http://friends.portalofevil.com/sp.php?pi=1000565321

Holy crap. That's a lot of furry gatherings.

Yeah, he's not competing with any stand ups at "my local con" this year. He already did that over half a decade ago.

You put in the time, you reap the benefits, my friends.

(In this case, benefits are never having to visit Oklahoma again. Unless he just really wants to. Which would be weird.)

[threadshitter]

Basically, I'm starting up at the opposite end of the spectrum (yes, I'm in stand up myself, doing local open mics in the, ugh, Midwest, getting some attention from local professional comics, but in the, you know, Midwest), so I'm hoping the guy makes it, if only because it opens the door for me a bit as well.

So there will be more people performing shitty tired routines? Really? Because that's what I want to spend my $15 bucks and drink tab on.

You know what, Never mind because if you suck its better for the club owner, more drinking to kill the awful noise coming from the stage.

Furry Comedy is like AIDS, Not enough people get it and it rots you from the inside out.

If you work the clubs, then you know its do or die every night, because if you don't kill, you don't eat, and 2's rant routine has been done before, not to mention 100x better.

Here's 2's routine in a nutshell:

SCREEECH, NERD SOUNDS, COMPUTER JOKE, CUSSING, HAVE YOU EVER, DONT YOU HATE, BLAH BLAH BLAH YOU SUCK YOU SUCK THATS MY 2 SENSE

[Pi]

Boy, you didn't read the rest of the post. (Not surprising. Bit wordy.)

sorry, my "shit post" detector short-circuited right about there.

am i allowed to tell you to get the fuck out already?

[LordNagetiere]

In a word, yes. I've seen lot's of funny guys appear at an open mic, tell some decent jokes, then never show up again. I have no respect for those people. Then there are comedians who's jokes I could care less for, some who've even died horribly onstage, but keep coming back. Those guys are my heroes

I vomited a little in my mouth when I realized this sounds like a defense of Carlos Mencia.

[ProvincialTwit]

I vomited a little in my mouth when I realized this sounds like a defense of Carlos Mencia.

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing.

This whole thing just smacks of someone trying to live vicariously through others.  Also comedians who just 'keep on trying' despite having no talent, originality, or inherent humor is what caused stand-up comedy to die a horrible, horrible death in the 90s.  The talent was awful, and the audiences were awful, and at the risk of sounding like I'm quoting a Patton Oswald bit, the whole scene needed a mass extinction. 

Protip: 'A' for effort only works in kindergarten and special ed.  A baker who makes cakes that taste like shit doesn't earn any points for 'sticking with it' if his cakes continue to taste like shit.

[MazelTovCocktail]

I vomited a little in my mouth when I realized this sounds like a defense of Carlos Mencia.

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing.

This whole thing just smacks of someone trying to live vicariously through others.  Also comedians who just 'keep on trying' despite having no talent, originality, or inherent humor is what caused stand-up comedy to die a horrible, horrible death in the 90s.  The talent was awful, and the audiences were awful, and at the risk of sounding like I'm quoting a Patton Oswald bit, the whole scene needed a mass extinction. 

That's also how Dat Phan won the 1st season of Last Comic Standing. 

Yeah... I'm still bitter.

[crossie]

That's also how Dat Phan won the 1st season of Last Comic Standing. 

Actually, he probably won because he was young and not bad looking. Which is probably also why Jon Heffron won the second season, despite actually being talented. That being said, I am still bitter too ... (About Dat Phan. Not Jon Heffron.)

Also comedians who just 'keep on trying' despite having no talent, originality, or inherent humor is what caused stand-up comedy to die a horrible, horrible death in the 90s. 

I really find it hilarious that the thing I said that has gotten the most loathing is basically "hey guys, you have to work for what you want!"

[Sechs]

I really find it hilarious that the thing I said that has gotten the most loathing is basically "hey guys, you have to work for what you want!"

No, what you said is "Hey guys, you have to give him credit for not giving up!"

What you're doing is the equivalent of telling us that, if we were to post up bad art that someone had done with a #2 pencil and map colors of a herm vixen with tits the size of the notebook paper it was drawn on to make fun of it, we should instead give the "artist" credit because hey, they've just kept at their map pencil on notebook paper monstrosities for a decade, and had acquired a loyal following of fanatics who "pozt lik ths".

Maybe, just maybe, we're not mocking the concept of hard work. Maybe, just maybe, we're mocking the idea that we should acknowledge his hard work in spite of him being complete and utter shit.

[Arche Kruz]

I really find it hilarious that the thing I said that has gotten the most loathing is basically "hey guys, you have to work for what you want!"

That is because comedy is something that requires talent to successfully pull off, it is not an MMO where you can just grind out lousy performance after lousy performance and then magically become good at it.

[MazelTovCocktail]

There's a difference between perseverance and not knowing when it's time to call it quits.

2 is painfully unaware of that difference.

[sompret]

Slowpoke incoming...

I had a firsthand taste of 2 Gryphon in person last December, while apparently unaware that he's the local convention's special guest along with Sam Conway. Yyyyyes, he's kind of personable on the outside, but the more I sit next to him while he gulps on that wine, the more I feel that he's a bit full of himself. Something about him says "gimmick", and, like the con I went to, his comedy routine comes off as that. It feels like as if he's just not being true to himself.

So for him to get a break at a big-ish stage puts me in my usual throne of skepticism where nothing's going to work well.

[pmart]

So, not on the subject of his "performance", but what do y'all make of this latest journal?

I mean, I know asexuality is recognized as a legitimate orientation, been observed in sheep and all that good stuff.  But is there any evidence that 2 is genuinely not interested in having sex?

[MazelTovCocktail]

So, not on the subject of his "performance", but what do y'all make of this latest journal?

I mean, I know asexuality is recognized as a legitimate orientation, been observed in sheep and all that good stuff.  But is there any evidence that 2 is genuinely not interested in having sex?

My question is, how many of the people who have voiced their support for his decision/will voice their support for his decision (I haven't read any of the journal comments yet but I don't think I need to) would normally be of the attitude that asexuality is strictly a defense mechanism for people who can't get any?

[Lazarian]

Good God. Yaknow it really says a lot about someone who would say something like this in response to a poster opening themselves up to a similar situation in their own relationship...

I guess I'm probably too bitchy to make a sacrifice like that. It's probably something I should have considered from time to time, but if one of you wants to never have sex and the other one wants it three times per week, doing it just once per week isn't much of a compromise. It'd have to be something like once every couple of years.

I always wound up complaining about it. "So you want to spend an hour or more laying in bed, making ourselves smelly, sweaty and dirty just for something you could take care of yourself in 2 minutes? I just showered! And Star Trek is on!"

To fucking deride a person's need for intimacy and equating it to the level of jerking off to furry porn... Christ.

And he wonders why he's fucking lonely...

[gnpg]

Reminds me of an artsy-fartsy play I saw which had a politician character doing a press conference, except he was being directed what to say by someone else with a long tube at his ear, and that person was in turn also being directed what to say through a tube.  Then a reporter broke the chain by asking, "Excuse me, are you a virgin?" and the politician himself answered after a long, awkward pause. "...I'm celibate.  When I was younger, I was a virgin, but now that I'm older, I'm celibate."

[MazelTovCocktail]

Tell me about it. It's amazing how much of a person's relationships with others is based on the possibility of sex. If you cut that possibility out, you'll lose half your friends. It's sad but true.

I don't know what kinds of people 2 likes to acquaint himself with (although I'm assuming mostly furries, if half of his friends want to get in his pants), but where I come from, not everybody swings both ways and people have mutual interests that actually don't require a flat surface and a modicum of privacy.

[Sechs]

Asexuality is currently "in" now, especially for those looking to get their persecution cred on. It is the very latest in persecuted sexualities. 'Cause, see, being homosexual or bisexual is so very passe now... you have to actually dig around and go to really extremist sites to get someone telling you you're mentally damaged or just have childhood trauma, and it's really hard to feel like you're getting your righteous smiting rant on when you had to go all the way to the God Hates Fags website to get someone to call you a freak. But asexuality, hey, if you throw out that you're asexual enough, you can actually get someone to commit a hate crime (IE saying something you consider insensitive) on you that you can defend yourself against and rally support over on a forum you'd probably go to anyway.

Plus, "trendy" asexuals get to combine their sexuality snobbery with intellectual snobbery ("Psh, look at you, ruled by your animal instincts"), relationship snobbery ("Had a fight with the SO, did we? Well -I- don't have -that- problem"), and you'll even occasionally get a bit of green snobbery in there ("Well I'm certainly not going to be screwing up the planet by adding a bunch of squaling crotchdroppings, unlike those SEXED people").

Honestly, this is probably the absolute best choice to make for a claimed sexuality for 2. Asexuality has far more options for pretentious posturing than being gay, straight, or bi ever could!

Of course, it also means he'll be an even less funny comedian. People like jokes about guys and their girlfriends. People even like jokes about guys and their boyfriends. They like jokes about guys that want sex but can't get it, or guys that want it and do humorous things to get it, or guys that get it in improbable ways, and so on... and what's 2 got?

"Hey, let me tell you about all the sex I'm not having! Nor do I want to have it! Ever! ... Hey, who wants to hear me bitch about a nerd convention for ten minutes?!"

[Murrabbit]

Hmm and then there's always the bitter cynic approach whereby one attempts to define themselves through a rejection of every label as nothing but a grab for attention and treats all such labels as some sort of personal offense that they need to publicly condemn.  Man, what a sad existence that is, amirite?

[ProvincialTwit]

What a terrible first post from a terrible username with a terrible email address.

Congrats on the hat trick.  Now get out.