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Public Discourse => News Media => Topic started by: Jim Demintia on July 31, 2010, 07:54:08 pm
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2 gryphon (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1599428/) is going to perform at the Comedy Store in West Hollywood.
Discuss.
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2 Hours of Nerd-Shrieking and boring rants about shit people don't care about.
Perhaps someone will "spike" his drink with Conway's Ego and he will tell a story about the time something happened and it was AMAZING.
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I wonder if his ego will be strong enough that when he bombs completely he'll say the audience just wasn't worldly and intelligent enough to understand his wit and humor, or if he'll actually own up and say "You know what, apparently I'm just not very funny to normal people".
I'm betting somewhere right down the middle. He will bomb, remove any mention of ever having been to the Comedy Store, and never speak of it again.
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West Hollywood
Assuming he's not a complete moron he'll probably leave the furry baggage at home, pull the angry faggot card and bitch about Bush a lot.
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I wonder how he's going to be billed. If he's announced as "2 the ranting gryphon" the audience will want an explanation right off the bat and be willing to heckle anyone using a weird name instead of their actual name. If you watch a lot of stand-up, anyone who looks or sounds off-normal (weird name, overweight, etc.) - the first thing in their act are jokes that make fun of themselves. I agree with the other poster that as long as he leaves the furry stuff out of his act, he's got a better chance of succeeding - the question is, does he have enough of that kind of material? Chances are his set will be pretty short, in comparison to a furry convention.
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I don't think he's capable of making fun of himself, at least not in any meaningful (read: funny) way.
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I wonder how he's going to be billed.
Either in the journal or in the comments somewhere he states he will be billed as "Gryphon", which I suppose isn't too far out there for wanna-be professional stand-ups.
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West Hollywood
Assuming he's not a complete moron he'll probably leave the furry baggage at home, pull the angry faggot card and bitch about Bush a lot.
Which means that he goes from being "Some weirdo with that weird fetish I saw on CSI and ER" to "Oh, another one of these, there have already been three tonight."
I'm not sure that even the awesome power of clapter can save him from such a dime a gross act.
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He wasn't on my radar until this (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2338/screenshotoc.png) little bit of Gryphon awesomeness (Twitter link here (http://twitter.com/2_gryphon/status/11448332148) -- Twitter is throwing an error right now that's not entirely clear if he deleted it or if it's just more of Twitter's awesome reliability). His whole thing seems to be being abrasive, and while "fuck everybody" certainly appeals to some people, it sure as hell isn't the apex of creativity—it entirely misses the point of why ranting like he does could be funny. It's really more an excuse to be an asshole masquerading as comedy.
I'd imagine getting a break in stand-up is tough enough, and you'd better have some kind of hook if you want people to care about you. Without furry, he's just another abrasive asshole. How he's going to translate the furry references for a larger audience is an open question.
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He wasn't on my radar until this (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2338/screenshotoc.png) little bit of Gryphon awesomeness (Twitter link here (http://twitter.com/2_gryphon/status/11448332148) -- Twitter is throwing an error right now that's not entirely clear if he deleted it or if it's just more of Twitter's awesome reliability). His whole thing seems to be being abrasive, and while "fuck everybody" certainly appeals to some people, it sure as hell isn't the apex of creativity—it entirely misses the point of why ranting like he does could be funny. It's really more an excuse to be an asshole masquerading as comedy.
I'd imagine getting a break in stand-up is tough enough, and you'd better have some kind of hook if you want people to care about you. Without furry, he's just another abrasive asshole. How he's going to translate the furry references for a larger audience is an open question.
Bill Hicks He ain't.
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I think deep down he really wants to be Dennis Leary, or at least a Stone Brewery mascot, but it comes off as just abrasion without humor. There is not enough wit or self depreciation (at least honest self depreciation) in his acts. He mostly gets applause from furries because he is the only show in town, and he panders heavy to the 'agree with me' type of comedy. He kind of reminds me of shitty black comedians who rely on being black, and pandering to that kind of audience. You get a lot of calls and claps sure, but removed from the context it's usually just more of a whine with profanity thrown in. That's not to say it can't be good, he just has to stop jumping up and down on the furry button.
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Furry is all he has but no doubt will it be interesting to see how it pans out
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Furry is all he has
Hey now, that's not true.
He has Democrat Rage! That's so rare in a comedian after all!
As to self-deprecation, I'm sure that if you asked him he'd make some excuse like "I bitch about furries, and I am a furry, that's self-deprecating!" Neverminding that he's bitching at furries for not doing things he wants them to do or doing things he doesn't want them to do, which... yeah, doesn't much count. Or something like that.
Most comedians either make it a part of their act to have a general air of self-deprecation, or go the other way and try for an exaggerated sense of self-satisfaction. Of course in the second case, it often quickly becomes a case of the mask turning real. For 2 I'm betting that happened about two seconds after he put the mask on.
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I don't live too far from West Hollywood, maybe I'll check him out to see how he does. I've never listened to any of his stuff, I only know about him, through other people bitching about him.
If he's trying to do a Bill Hicks thing, he's going to have a really hard time. It's tough to do that type of humor and not come across as just a whiny asshole. Hicks and George Carlin could do it, and Dennis Leary and Lewis Black can do it because if you peel back the layers of cynicism they are comedians at heart and not just ranting douche bags.
The best thing about 2's post advertising his show? It's ten paragraphs before he tells you the date of his appearance!
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I was hanging out with a couple friends who are sort of involved with the fandom a couple years ago, and they popped in a 2 Gryphon 1 hour stand-up show. I watched the whole thing, and I laughed a grand total of once, right at the end. The reason why I laughed was because I predicted what his finishing punchline was going to be right when he started leading up to it, and I nailed it word for word.
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I just saw a couple of his 'rants' on YouTube. Wow! People find this guy funny? He's like living a Internet comment section for a Libertarian Website, rambling about how stupid people are stupid and should be killed and how the government is evil. There's no style, no panache.
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He's like living a Internet comment section for a Libertarian Website
An asshole with no talent and an undeservedly large ego? Pretty much.
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I'm not sure if a lot of people even remember but just look up "dennis miller rant" on youtube and you'll find a lot of material that he's ripped off verbatim. I'm really interested in seeing what happens when he gets in front of a LA crowd and tries to talk about typefucking a rhinoceros. Of course I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been said.
I think he's slightly funny in a somewhat generic drunk-guy-at-a-party way. Only furries are bland and weak willed enough to guffaw hysterically and act like he's some kind of gift from....whatever entity furries worship. Im pretty sure the 'edgy in your face' style of humor went out of style more than a decade ago.
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I'm not sure if a lot of people even remember but just look up "dennis miller rant" on youtube and you'll find a lot of material that he's ripped off verbatim.
to be fair for a while Robin Williams made a career out ripping off other comics for years. He just got the delivery down half decent, heck Carlos Mencia hamfists obviously ripped off racist humor and still has a damn show.
Still I think 2 is leading himself up for disaster...
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1606145/
A bunch of furries are basically buying tickets online for him, and this caused the venue to think somehow he's good (he's already talking Comedy Central airtime at the end). Worse off, instead of a ten minute slot amongst a lot of other people, they said they'll devote it to him, put his name on the flyer/etc. if he can sell 100. So he asks the furry horde to do exactly that.
So basically instead of doing a short bit for 10 people, he's going to sell out the place to a bunch of furries who will laugh at stuff he's recycled. He honestly thinks this is him 'making it big'. I just don't think you can hit new levels of pathetic like that.
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Which leads you to wonder about the venue, and/or what they know about him. Surely this isn't a new thing, where some "underground" comic has a bunch of friends and friends of friends buy up tickets and show up and show their support, regardless of how much the person sucks. I mean, they can't seriously think that he's good because he sold so many tickets, can they? I don't really know what the explanation is; but I just can't see them thinking he's good based on ticket sales alone.
And yeah, I don't know what he thinks he's doing trying to do an entire show for his "big break". I would think you would want a 10-minute slot, as that's a lot easier to handle and a lot less can theoretically go wrong in 10 minutes as opposed to an hour or more. He's going to be pressed for material anyway, as has been noted in this thread.
But then again, I suppose thinking that way requires some measure of modesty in how you regard yourself.
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to be fair for a while Robin Williams made a career out ripping off other comics for years. He just got the delivery down half decent, heck Carlos Mencia hamfists obviously ripped off racist humor and still has a damn show.
Yeah....I cant believe I forgot that.
HOWEVER i have to give it to furries. They are literally setting him up for failure. And what's one show anyway?
My fear is that he'll somehow manage to suck just the right dick and get some kind of nationwide recognition, in much the same way carrot-top had. But considering he's a furry, he'll probably never show the initiative it takes to get up actually make a habit of "work". And well; not having a footlocker filled with ironic/mildly clever props to stand behind.
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And well; not having a footlocker filled with ironic/mildly clever props to stand behind.
Hey, he's got an entire Bad Dragon catalog to work with for those! He could be "that weird dildo comic"!
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It would actually be kind of win if people end up laughing at him thinking his 'character' is just a really unfunny screechy faggot.
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He could be the next "Larry the Cable Guy"
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I dunno, he might have to get his life together to bring himself up to the respectability level of a slovenly hillbilly stereotype...
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He could be the next "Larry the Cable Guy"
Who was combined with Bill Engvall and Jeff Foxworthy to form "Ding Dang Doo Pigfucking Comedy Tour"
I left Ron White out as he is actually funnier than those three combined, and didn't have to build his entire routine out of a catchphrase.
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Well, my point was that "Larry" was just a character the guy came up with and then hammed way up. If he were smart/humble enough to run with that it might make a decent act.
Haha sorry no not really
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You know I can just feel that bot crawling through the internet, it picks up on the mention of larry the cable twat; that lands on some marketing executive's desk tomorrow morning and six months from now another blue collar movie comes out with the breath-taking balloon animal sideshow of lady gaga doing the soundtrack alongside kenny chesney.
....or maybe thats just the xanax wearing off.....
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Well, my point was that "Larry" was just a character the guy came up with
Yeah, he's from Connecticut or some shit.
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According to his latest journal (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1624063/), he's got a 30 minute show with 2 opening acts. That isn't it though:
offers from other comedy clubs in my e-mail. I've been getting texts on my phone from people I don't know inviting me to perform in contests and events. And my performance hasn't even happened yet!
Indeed. This is where my bullshit-o-meter started going off the charts. This seems like someone's jerking him around. I don't know who it would be or why they'd do it, but this just doesn't compute. Granted, I don't know the world of professional comedy but it seems exceedingly odd that he's been given an entire show and is getting offers from other places and he hasn't even bombed his first appearance yet.
Either someone really doesn't know what they've got on their hands or someone is playing a joke on him. It's likely in either case the e-mails and the texts are bullshit and unlikely to pan out.
It's also worth pointing out that there's more than a few people who hate him not because of his shitty comedy or his general asshole demeanor, but since he was actively involved in trying to cover up this mess (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jibba_Foxcoon), which included making legal threats against people asserting what he probably knew to be the truth—that his protege was intentionally spreading HIV, which is a crime in and of itself in some cases. I wonder what these comedy club managers who can't get enough of an angry furfag they barely know would think of that!
By the way, the upstanding furry citizen mentioned in that article had enough balls to show his face at AC 2010 this year, probably because he's good buddies with the right people.
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They may be legit. Sometimes talentless hacks get breaks in comedy, like Carlos Mencia, but usually they have to cater to something baser, like LOL SPICKS or "YOU KNOW YOU'RE A REDNECK WHEN..." crap. 2 has neither going for him, can only really bitch about furries and people who aren't furries, maybe breastfeeding. I don't think his comedy will go down well in a hip Californian setting, and unless the audience is packed with furries, there is a high probability to bomb.
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It sounds like the audience for this first performance may well be packed with furries, if I've read the prior posts in this thread right.
That begs the question, which schadenfreude is more delicious? To see him fail on his first outing, or see him lifted by his furfag fans to fall from a much greater height down the road if he actually does manage to land a bigger gig?
Normally I'd vote for the latter, but a single furfag succeeding just once sets a bad precedent for the rest of them.
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2 was in Denver at RMFC over the weekend, and somebody I know saw him in the bar and told him that he's an asshole and that his stand-up sucks. 2 was the bigger man, told my friend that he's certainly entitled to his opinion, and walked away.
Okay, I'm kidding. 2 actually got sand all up in his vagina, went to con staff, bitched to them about the incident, and got my friend kicked out of the con for the rest of the weekend.
Wonder what'll happen when he starts doing live shows outside of furry cons and somebody heckles him? I predict shedding of buttery furry tears.
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... Wait, they actually kicked him out of the con for saying something that wasn't nice?
You know, it's sad when you're actually hoping that at least they kicked him out because it was someone with more "fandom cred" bitching, rather than just being that murrypurry.
So does 2 think that ability to go bitching and whining when someone tells you that you suck is going to stick with him outside of furry, do you think? Does he think that if he gets heckled on stage, he can actually go whining to the club owner and have the guy kicked out? "Oh sure, let me just kick out someone that actually pays for their tickets and alcohol for the sake of the nobody performer's bruised ego."
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Okay, I'm kidding. 2 actually got sand all up in his vagina, went to con staff, bitched to them about the incident, and got my friend kicked out of the con for the rest of the weekend.
You know, playing the better man and mixing it with hyper charged passive aggression seems like a common trait for his crew. Didn't Kage make a big show about taking umbrellas to the chantard protestors in front of AC one year, only to come back inside and call the NAACP on them?
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I don't really wish for the guy to flop at what would be considered a big break for him: aside from listening to a couple of his routines I don't know him at all. What really bothers me is the possibility that he could make furry look even worse than it is now (a mindbending thought, I know). You'd think that he'd keep a lid on the furry bullshit, but seeing that he's trying to get as many furry fans to his show as he can, he might end up pandering to them in the show to the point of all the rest of the audience ends up thinking "what the fuck is up with all this furry shit?". Maybe I'll take a leap of faith and assume he's smarter than that.
An amusing aside: Say he does use furry as a whipping boy, and embarrasses the furries present and the fandom at large. Him and Conway are buddies, and that would really be interesting to see what kind of fallout would happen. Would 2 be shunned like Chewfox was over the Tyra Banks incident, or would there be a whirlwind of sucking up or downplaying things as "It was comedy folks! Don't take it so seriously!".
If that actually occurred, it would be funny as fuck to watch. We'll have to wait until September to see...
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I don't know, the guy sounds like he knows what he's doing. Basically, you guys seem to be worrying 2 has 1. a, oh noes, built in audience, and 2. oh noes again, a topic that hasn't been done to death.
I'm really interested in seeing what happens when he gets in front of a LA crowd and tries to talk about typefucking a rhinoceros.
I haven't heard 2's "typefucking a rhino" bit, but that actually sounds pretty funny. I'd pay to hear a good "typefucking a rhinoceros" joke.
I don't really know what the explanation is; but I just can't see them thinking he's good based on ticket sales alone.
Holy shit, but that is dumb. The comedy business is just like any other show business; Michael Bay's movies aren't exactly cinematic masterpieces, but they sale tickets, so guess who's job as a movie director is insured.
but seeing that he's trying to get as many furry fans to his show as he can, he might end up pandering to them in the show to the point of all the rest of the audience ends up thinking "what the fuck is up with all this furry shit?". Maybe I'll take a leap of faith and assume he's smarter than that.
This could be a problem, sure; he's got to find a way to explain furry in a funny way, to let the non-furries in on the joke. That being said, he has to find a way to explain a subculture based around jacking off to "The Lion King" in a funny way. If he can't do that, he wouldn't have made it this far.
All in all, he's been doing this for 10 years. He's put in his time. Whether or not he's funny, at this point, is beside the point; talent can only take you so far. The guy's proven, at the very least, he's got persistence. And that persistence has earned him a fanbase that would literally suck his dick just to say they had. This is something any performer would kill for, and he's not satisfied with that, which also says good things about him.
From a personal standpoint, I think he's got some funny jokes, lots of them only requiring a vague awareness of the furry fandom (his "Apathy Rant" is still one of my favorite bits by any comedian). He's also got some awful jokes; he's more of a performer than a writer. He's got a decent stage persona; that's his real talent (which shouldn't really be surprising from a "furry" comedian).
Basically, I'm starting up at the opposite end of the spectrum (yes, I'm in stand up myself, doing local open mics in the, ugh, Midwest, getting some attention from local professional comics, but in the, you know, Midwest), so I'm hoping the guy makes it, if only because it opens the door for me a bit as well.
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All in all, he's been doing this for 10 years. He's put in his time. Whether or not he's funny, at this point, is beside the point; talent can only take you so far. The guy's proven, at the very least, he's got persistence. And that persistence has earned him a fanbase that would literally suck his dick just to say they had. This is something any performer would kill for, and he's not satisfied with that, which also says good things about him.
What the fuck is this happy horse hockey?
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All in all, he's been doing this for 10 years. He's put in his time. Whether or not he's funny, at this point, is beside the point; talent can only take you so far. The guy's proven, at the very least, he's got persistence. And that persistence has earned him a fanbase that would literally suck his dick just to say they had. This is something any performer would kill for, and he's not satisfied with that, which also says good things about him.
His fanbase is comprised, by and large, of furries.
Furries will suck anybody's dick just to say they had.
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I don't know, the guy sounds like he knows what he's doing. Basically, you guys seem to be worrying 2 has 1. a, oh noes, built in audience, and 2. oh noes again, a topic that hasn't been done to death.
he doesn't have part 3:
being funny
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All in all, he's been doing this for 10 years. He's put in his time. Whether or not he's funny, at this point, is beside the point; talent can only take you so far. The guy's proven, at the very least, he's got persistence. And that persistence has earned him a fanbase that would literally suck his dick just to say they had. This is something any performer would kill for, and he's not satisfied with that, which also says good things about him.
So it doesn't matter if he's funny as long as he sticks with it? People like you are the reason Carrot top and Robin Williams can still get headliner billing. Also the only reason he's 'persistent' is because he was a fixture at AC from being fuckbuddies with Conway. It's not like he's actually competing with any other stand up comics at your local con.
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he doesn't have part 3:
being funny
Boy, you didn't read the rest of the post. (Not surprising. Bit wordy.)
This guy did, though.
So it doesn't matter if he's funny as long as he sticks with it?
In a word, yes. I've seen lot's of funny guys appear at an open mic, tell some decent jokes, then never show up again. I have no respect for those people. Then there are comedians who's jokes I could care less for, some who've even died horribly onstage, but keep coming back. Those guys are my heroes.
That being said, you bring up some interesting points here.
People like you are the reason Carrot top and Robin Williams can still get headliner billing. Also the only reason he's 'persistent' is because he was a fixture at AC from being fuckbuddies with Conway.
I did not create the rules; I simply follow them. This is the industry. Being a fixture because you're fuckbuddies with the guy in charge is not unique to Anthrocon. That's how the world works. If you got off the fucking Internet and participated in life you'd understand this. Okay, that was a cheap shot.
It's not like he's actually competing with any other stand up comics at your local con.
Surely I can use PoE as a good source? Here.
http://friends.portalofevil.com/sp.php?pi=1000565321 (http://friends.portalofevil.com/sp.php?pi=1000565321)
Holy crap. That's a lot of furry gatherings.
Yeah, he's not competing with any stand ups at "my local con" this year. He already did that over half a decade ago.
You put in the time, you reap the benefits, my friends.
(In this case, benefits are never having to visit Oklahoma again. Unless he just really wants to. Which would be weird.)
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Basically, I'm starting up at the opposite end of the spectrum (yes, I'm in stand up myself, doing local open mics in the, ugh, Midwest, getting some attention from local professional comics, but in the, you know, Midwest), so I'm hoping the guy makes it, if only because it opens the door for me a bit as well.
So there will be more people performing shitty tired routines? Really? Because that's what I want to spend my $15 bucks and drink tab on.
You know what, Never mind because if you suck its better for the club owner, more drinking to kill the awful noise coming from the stage.
Furry Comedy is like AIDS, Not enough people get it and it rots you from the inside out.
If you work the clubs, then you know its do or die every night, because if you don't kill, you don't eat, and 2's rant routine has been done before, not to mention 100x better.
Here's 2's routine in a nutshell:
SCREEECH, NERD SOUNDS, COMPUTER JOKE, CUSSING, HAVE YOU EVER, DONT YOU HATE, BLAH BLAH BLAH YOU SUCK YOU SUCK THATS MY 2 SENSE
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Boy, you didn't read the rest of the post. (Not surprising. Bit wordy.)
sorry, my "shit post" detector short-circuited right about there.
am i allowed to tell you to get the fuck out already?
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In a word, yes. I've seen lot's of funny guys appear at an open mic, tell some decent jokes, then never show up again. I have no respect for those people. Then there are comedians who's jokes I could care less for, some who've even died horribly onstage, but keep coming back. Those guys are my heroes
I vomited a little in my mouth when I realized this sounds like a defense of Carlos Mencia.
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I vomited a little in my mouth when I realized this sounds like a defense of Carlos Mencia.
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing.
This whole thing just smacks of someone trying to live vicariously through others. Also comedians who just 'keep on trying' despite having no talent, originality, or inherent humor is what caused stand-up comedy to die a horrible, horrible death in the 90s. The talent was awful, and the audiences were awful, and at the risk of sounding like I'm quoting a Patton Oswald bit, the whole scene needed a mass extinction.
Protip: 'A' for effort only works in kindergarten and special ed. A baker who makes cakes that taste like shit doesn't earn any points for 'sticking with it' if his cakes continue to taste like shit.
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I vomited a little in my mouth when I realized this sounds like a defense of Carlos Mencia.
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing.
This whole thing just smacks of someone trying to live vicariously through others. Also comedians who just 'keep on trying' despite having no talent, originality, or inherent humor is what caused stand-up comedy to die a horrible, horrible death in the 90s. The talent was awful, and the audiences were awful, and at the risk of sounding like I'm quoting a Patton Oswald bit, the whole scene needed a mass extinction.
That's also how Dat Phan won the 1st season of Last Comic Standing.
Yeah... I'm still bitter.
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That's also how Dat Phan won the 1st season of Last Comic Standing.
Actually, he probably won because he was young and not bad looking. Which is probably also why Jon Heffron won the second season, despite actually being talented. That being said, I am still bitter too ... (About Dat Phan. Not Jon Heffron.)
Also comedians who just 'keep on trying' despite having no talent, originality, or inherent humor is what caused stand-up comedy to die a horrible, horrible death in the 90s.
I really find it hilarious that the thing I said that has gotten the most loathing is basically "hey guys, you have to work for what you want!"
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I really find it hilarious that the thing I said that has gotten the most loathing is basically "hey guys, you have to work for what you want!"
No, what you said is "Hey guys, you have to give him credit for not giving up!"
What you're doing is the equivalent of telling us that, if we were to post up bad art that someone had done with a #2 pencil and map colors of a herm vixen with tits the size of the notebook paper it was drawn on to make fun of it, we should instead give the "artist" credit because hey, they've just kept at their map pencil on notebook paper monstrosities for a decade, and had acquired a loyal following of fanatics who "pozt lik ths".
Maybe, just maybe, we're not mocking the concept of hard work. Maybe, just maybe, we're mocking the idea that we should acknowledge his hard work in spite of him being complete and utter shit.
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I really find it hilarious that the thing I said that has gotten the most loathing is basically "hey guys, you have to work for what you want!"
That is because comedy is something that requires talent to successfully pull off, it is not an MMO where you can just grind out lousy performance after lousy performance and then magically become good at it.
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There's a difference between perseverance and not knowing when it's time to call it quits.
2 is painfully unaware of that difference.
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Slowpoke incoming...
I had a firsthand taste of 2 Gryphon in person last December, while apparently unaware that he's the local convention's special guest along with Sam Conway. Yyyyyes, he's kind of personable on the outside, but the more I sit next to him while he gulps on that wine, the more I feel that he's a bit full of himself. Something about him says "gimmick", and, like the con I went to, his comedy routine comes off as that. It feels like as if he's just not being true to himself.
So for him to get a break at a big-ish stage puts me in my usual throne of skepticism where nothing's going to work well.
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So, not on the subject of his "performance", but what do y'all make of this latest journal (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1669265/)?
I mean, I know asexuality is recognized as a legitimate orientation, been observed in sheep and all that good stuff. But is there any evidence that 2 is genuinely not interested in having sex?
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So, not on the subject of his "performance", but what do y'all make of this latest journal (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1669265/)?
I mean, I know asexuality is recognized as a legitimate orientation, been observed in sheep and all that good stuff. But is there any evidence that 2 is genuinely not interested in having sex?
My question is, how many of the people who have voiced their support for his decision/will voice their support for his decision (I haven't read any of the journal comments yet but I don't think I need to) would normally be of the attitude that asexuality is strictly a defense mechanism for people who can't get any?
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Good God. Yaknow it really says a lot about someone who would say something like this in response to a poster opening themselves up to a similar situation in their own relationship...
I guess I'm probably too bitchy to make a sacrifice like that. :) It's probably something I should have considered from time to time, but if one of you wants to never have sex and the other one wants it three times per week, doing it just once per week isn't much of a compromise. It'd have to be something like once every couple of years.
I always wound up complaining about it. "So you want to spend an hour or more laying in bed, making ourselves smelly, sweaty and dirty just for something you could take care of yourself in 2 minutes? I just showered! And Star Trek is on!"
To fucking deride a person's need for intimacy and equating it to the level of jerking off to furry porn... Christ.
And he wonders why he's fucking lonely...
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Reminds me of an artsy-fartsy play I saw which had a politician character doing a press conference, except he was being directed what to say by someone else with a long tube at his ear, and that person was in turn also being directed what to say through a tube. Then a reporter broke the chain by asking, "Excuse me, are you a virgin?" and the politician himself answered after a long, awkward pause. "...I'm celibate. When I was younger, I was a virgin, but now that I'm older, I'm celibate."
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Tell me about it. It's amazing how much of a person's relationships with others is based on the possibility of sex. If you cut that possibility out, you'll lose half your friends. It's sad but true.
I don't know what kinds of people 2 likes to acquaint himself with (although I'm assuming mostly furries, if half of his friends want to get in his pants), but where I come from, not everybody swings both ways and people have mutual interests that actually don't require a flat surface and a modicum of privacy.
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Asexuality is currently "in" now, especially for those looking to get their persecution cred on. It is the very latest in persecuted sexualities. 'Cause, see, being homosexual or bisexual is so very passe now... you have to actually dig around and go to really extremist sites to get someone telling you you're mentally damaged or just have childhood trauma, and it's really hard to feel like you're getting your righteous smiting rant on when you had to go all the way to the God Hates Fags website to get someone to call you a freak. But asexuality, hey, if you throw out that you're asexual enough, you can actually get someone to commit a hate crime (IE saying something you consider insensitive) on you that you can defend yourself against and rally support over on a forum you'd probably go to anyway.
Plus, "trendy" asexuals get to combine their sexuality snobbery with intellectual snobbery ("Psh, look at you, ruled by your animal instincts"), relationship snobbery ("Had a fight with the SO, did we? Well -I- don't have -that- problem"), and you'll even occasionally get a bit of green snobbery in there ("Well I'm certainly not going to be screwing up the planet by adding a bunch of squaling crotchdroppings, unlike those SEXED people").
Honestly, this is probably the absolute best choice to make for a claimed sexuality for 2. Asexuality has far more options for pretentious posturing than being gay, straight, or bi ever could!
Of course, it also means he'll be an even less funny comedian. People like jokes about guys and their girlfriends. People even like jokes about guys and their boyfriends. They like jokes about guys that want sex but can't get it, or guys that want it and do humorous things to get it, or guys that get it in improbable ways, and so on... and what's 2 got?
"Hey, let me tell you about all the sex I'm not having! Nor do I want to have it! Ever! ... Hey, who wants to hear me bitch about a nerd convention for ten minutes?!"
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Hmm and then there's always the bitter cynic approach whereby one attempts to define themselves through a rejection of every label as nothing but a grab for attention and treats all such labels as some sort of personal offense that they need to publicly condemn. Man, what a sad existence that is, amirite?
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What a terrible first post from a terrible username with a terrible email address.
Congrats on the hat trick. Now get out.
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It's kind of strange to have the foresight to see just typefucking around with friends is a form of unintentional celibacy, then be proud of the fact.
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Kinda reminds me in a way of this old post from the long forgotten days of SA:
So you're working out and getting buff so you are strong to do what?
"Getting women" as if they are objects to do what? Fuck them and forget about it? Some life. "Getting women" improves your social status amongst those who hi-five people for being "playa"s. Who gives a damn about being more social amongst those vapid wastes of food and employment?
Video games are a great way to have fun, and enjoy things that are availible to you in life. Not only this, but the making of a game is an art form - by playing through, say, an RPG, you are treated to a grand story that is just overwhelmingly more fufilling than going out, fucking some chick, hi-fiving yourself and calling it a night.
Just replace key words where applicable and it could almost be straight out of a '2 sense'.
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Hmm and then there's always the bitter cynic approach whereby one attempts to define themselves through a rejection of every label as nothing but a grab for attention and treats all such labels as some sort of personal offense that they need to publicly condemn. Man, what a sad existence that is, amirite?
Your mother, you damned dirty troll.
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But is there any evidence that 2 is genuinely not interested in having sex?
He says in the body of the journal that he is "very appreciative of sexual fantasy" and he certainly has furry porn in his favourites. I'm under the assumption that if someone is asexual, they're not interested in having sex: they don't find anything sexy, and would not therefore fantasise about it or be particularly interested in looking at porn, so whether or not he really is asexual seems debatable to me.
I thought it was interesting in the comments, someone wondered how many people had simply given up on sex due to frustration and self-esteem issues; said also that they find women intimidating and further wondered how many asexual furs would still be asexual if all their fear and trust issues regarding sex were taken care of, and to that 2 responded:
I wish I could do something to help your fears, but unfortunately, in all my experience, women HAVE been great big scary entities that will tear your figurative guts out and stomp all over your self-esteem if you don't measure up or perform.
I do happen to know that not all females are like that. It just so happened that the ones I dated were.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1669265/#cid:14026859
Perhaps sex is nothing but sour grapes for 2.
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Yeah, definitely sounds like he's just butthurt at the female of the species or something. But like I said, "asexual" is trendy... saying "I've had bad experiences and for right now I've given up on relationships" is admitting vulnerability.
Actually, come to think of it, I think that's probably why he'll never be able to have a good mainstream career. More than being able to poke fun at yourself, there's a certain amount of leaving yourself vulnerable that you have to do to make it as a comedian. You get up there and you talk about your personal experiences, your family, your friends, all of which are very personal matters that require some amount of opening up, and in the process leaving yourself open at least a little bit. You can't talk about the time your mom smacked you with the belt so hard your ass fell off without worrying that someone in the audience is going to yell "Sounds hot, I want your mom to spank MY ass!" You have to be able to not just tell your experiences and observations and thoughts in a funny way, but to some extent open up about them... just telling the exact motions of you falling down in a weird way isn't humor, it's an incident report. Telling how you fell down on your birthday, facedesked right in the cake, and everyone laughed at you but it hey, at least you got to eat as much of the cake as you wanted? That's a joke.
Drew Carrey once observed that he never got many laughs with his standup until he started talking to the audience like they were all buddies having a beer together. That requires a certain amount of openness and intimacy, a willingness to make a connection to a large group of complete strangers and let them in, at least a little bit. And obviously if you become famous, suddenly the whole world's up your ass with a telescope looking around, so you have to be ready to deal with that to a certain extent.
2 is so guarded, closed-off, and unwilling to let anyone in that he can't just admit that he's had bad experiences dating and doesn't want to anymore at the moment... he has to actually make it a sexuality thing so that it can't be questioned. If he can't be even a little bit honest with his fucking friendslist, how in the holy hell does he expect to open up to an audience full of strangers?
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So has this comedy show thing of his gone down yet? I'm dying to know how it all turns out.
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So has this comedy show thing of his gone down yet? I'm dying to know how it all turns out.
According to the link in the OP, this is happening on September 16.
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I have no fucking self control ...
Telling how you fell down on your birthday, facedesked right in the cake, and everyone laughed at you but it hey, at least you got to eat as much of the cake as you wanted? That's a joke.
Really? That's what you're going to use as your example of a joke? I've heard funnier knock-knock jokes from five year olds. Fucking hell, you missed the joke entirely on the "want to fuck half your friends;" humanity is split in half between male and female. "Being 'just friends' between a male and female (or two males if one is homosexual) is impossible because of the male sex drive" is a pretty old stand up comedy standby, guys.
Okay, no more "I don't think 2's going to make it because he's not funny," because you obviously have no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about. Is this the reason Vivisector split from CYD? Were you guys upset at Mitch's use of actual fucking humor rather than just pure putrid bitching which you apparently prefer?
I have yet to read one fucking funny thing on this God-damned website.
If he can't be even a little bit honest with his fucking friendslist, how in the holy hell does he expect to open up to an audience full of strangers?
Okay, after that outburst of pure putrid bitching on my part (I like that phrase. That's a good phrase.), an actual insight into the stand up psychology; it is incredibly easy to open up to a room full of strangers for the right personality type. 2 may care about his friends, and therefore cares about there opinions of him; but he doesn't know or care about a roomful of strangers, so why should he care about there opinions of him? That it is much easier to perform stand up, or any kind of performance art, to strangers is than friends or family is also pretty well known.
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I have no fucking self control ...
But you apparently have a whoooooooooooole lotta butthurt.
You know, if you don't like how we're being mean to your bestest fwiend 2, who's worked so very very hard and thus is a sacred cow, why don't you go somewhere more in line with the thinking you've displayed here? Fchan seems about your speed...
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WHOOPS WHERE DID YOUR ACCOUNT GO HOW DID THAT HAPPEN I AM NOT GOOD AT COMPUTER
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He did have one sliver of a point about us not being that funny anymore.
This is kind of my fault.
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Oh sweet god somewhere there is a truly rage-filled journal being written right now that would no doubt be some truly great popcorn-reading. But in any event...
Not having been around Vivisector before the CYD acquisition, I can't speak to how it might have been, but I can say that the idea that CYD was funnier is pure bullshit. Unless you thought Hirtes throwing tantrums and people cocksucking the Great Old Ones of Furry that posted there were hilarious. (Which they often were, but definitely not in an intentional way.) There wasn't a lot of joking going on... might have distracted from the infighting and obsessing over every tiny drama to come along, and the mods flip-flopping over whether they were Burned Furs or murrypurries that day. There was a lot of Serious Business going on... which goes on here, too, but at least most people seem to make token attempts to show they know how silly being serious about such things can be.
But any discussions of adding humor to the site would probably be better in another thread or something. I mean, after all, this is a thread about 2 the Ranting Gryphon... that's a subject that has no humor connected to it whatsoever.
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Noone ever said we were a comedy site; more of a schadenfreude site. 'Vivisection' is about exposing the innards; the still-beating heart of a corrupt fandom of faggotry. No comedy there. Dude's taking our internets way more seriously than any of us do anyway.
So one week left until 2's big moment! Boy howdy. Really interested to see how much of a trainwreck it is.
I mean, after all, this is a thread about 2 the Ranting Gryphon... that's a subject that has no humor connected to it whatsoever.
ZING!
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If we're lucky, he'll not only flop, but have it recorded.
And then sell these recordings of his 'misunderstood, underrated comedy' at conventions.
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This post is funnier than anything 2 Gryphon has ever said.
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WHOOPS WHERE DID YOUR ACCOUNT GO HOW DID THAT HAPPEN I AM NOT GOOD AT COMPUTER
Man, this open-sores software is just riddled with bugs. We've had some similar problems over at lulz with the moderation panel.
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1721880/
Against the better hopes of many, it seems that 2's foray into the real world of comedy did pretty okay, mostly rigged due to the fact that, as he states, most of the audience were furries who had desperately torn through their wallets to get to this show just for him. According to the journal, an agent has him booked for at least 2 more performances.
That's it, kids. Pack it up, game over.
Though, I like the part where he remarked about other comics' delight at how receptive, friendly, and fun his fans were. Makes their job easier if the audience is easy to please, I guess!
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Well, yeah. When you have an audience making mix tapes out of Jonathan Coulton songs and taping up printouts of furry porn next to printouts of XKCD, pretty much all you need to do to get applause is say the word 'internet'.
Note: This is not a shift from previous stances. 2 is still not funny. At all. This merely lends credence to the prior assumption that 2's fans have no taste.
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2 will never be funny.
I kind of hope somebody recorded it and is going to put it on youtube because I want to see how bad it is. I am in a mood to cringe.
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At first, the other comics were a little confused about the audience. They knew they were some kind of fandom, but they didn't know which. It took them until about the fourth comic to figure out that most of the people in the room were furries. At that point, I feared the worst.
So not only did the furries mob the place, apparently they simply were the audience. That's kind of sad. 2 has Dragoneer's echo box, only he can seem to drag it around reality with him to dump some fans out whereever.
It actually sounds like a really awesome idea for a mystery novel. Some kind of mass manipulator moonlighting as a comic who just drags his handpicked audience around with him. Like a rolling Scientology.
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So, nothing has changed. 2 has still had success purely by catering to furries.
The really sad thing is that he actually feels he's somehow accomplished something. It's like he doesn't even realize that absolutely nothing has changed except the building surrounding his act and the fact that a lot of much more successful people perform around him. He's performing to the exact same audience he always has and that has always just laughed and claptered along to his same old material in the exact same way, and yet he thinks it's somehow different because it wasn't at a furry con.
I also find myself a bit skeptical at his claims of the comics somehow "figuring out" that the audience was furries, and becoming enthused about performing for furries more often. I think this is either 2 editing his memory for content, or trying to give an ego stroke to his fanboys. What I find more likely is that one or more comics remarked something along the lines of "Wow, this is a really easy audience" or "Man they're receptive", 2 proceeded to launch into some explanation of how they were furries and what furries were and how many of his fans had shown up, which was likely responded to with "Oh. That's nice. Wish every audience was this easy."
And it's very funny how he keeps referring to these people as "[his] opening acts", as if these Comedy Central veterans were merely called in to fill time before the glorious main even that was 2 the Ranting Gryphon. Maybe that's just the technically correct term or something and I'm misreading it, I dunno, but it just comes off more like trying to make himself sound important and central to the night (supported by him saying things like "whipped up", as if they'd scrambled to find these guys to fill out his show), rather than what it really was: a bunch of successful comics lined up as the main event, with an "also featuring" some unknown newb they put on dead last so that most of the people would have bought their drinks and food before he chased them out.
Whiiiiiich brings me to another thing. Now, 2 moved a lot of tickets by selling to furries, obviously... with the exact same furries likely to buy tickets to his next show, and his next, and so on. So they made some money off of him. But everyone knows that the real money from places like that comes from the booze and the food... things furries can be notoriously stingy about. While it may have been a full house, I'm betting the till from the concessions was at an all-time low from murrypurries sneaking their dollar menu burgers in under their neckbeards and in their Tails backpacks. The house is relying on selling an average of a ten buck cocktail per table, most likely... not practically everybody in the place ordering a soda with free refills and every third table ordering the cheapest appetizer on the menu.
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So, nothing has changed. 2 has still had success purely by catering to furries.
Yeah, I'm disappointed too. If you pack your audience with sycophants, how can you tell if you've got stand-up skills when they're not around? The sick-of-hearing-about-him part of me doesn't want him to succeed, but another part of me does. Because whenever someone in the fandom goes professional, they tend to leave the fandom behind them. Imagine the conversations his agent would have with him about how best to pursue his stand-up career in light of furry.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he made some degree of mainstream success. He basically follows the Carlos Mencia format of thinking cussing, volume and insult-creating-intensity rather than verbal wit make for good comedy, which does appeal to the knuckle-dragging masses.
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But he regurgitates furry hate an nerd rage not racism... which doesn't coincide with Mencia's success with budweiser drinking racists who just want to see a mexican making fun of mexicans.
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Hate to double post, but this is rather good.
Apparently a normal audience doesn't like getting screeched at.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1763542/
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I'm betting a lot of the laughs he got after he "reigned it in" were nervous chuckles.
2 is being given every sign that he is not going to play with normals, and on some level seems to comprehend that, but he's determined to rush forward screaming all the way until he just can't figure out why the Comedy Store blocked his number.
Heh. Eight minute bit amongst fifteen other guys. Still the end-of-night filler, eh 2?
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No, 2.
They didn't laugh because you're not funny.
EDIT: My God. The more I read the posts from all of 2's ball-hangers, the more I realize that furries, as a whole, have an absolutely terrible sense of humor.
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You know how people with Down's Syndrome tend to be tone-deaf? Aspberger's seems to have a similar effect on one's sense of humor.
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Reading his willingly followers comments just put me over the edge, I wonder if deep down sometimes he thinks to himself that his cred only exist in furry world.Also fuck the people who called non furries mundanes or whatever
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You know how people with Down's Syndrome tend to be tone-deaf? Aspberger's seems to have a similar effect on one's sense of humor.
Really in this case all it is is the inability to intuitively know a lot of social stuff. You can learn it, but it takes effort. It's like learning a language you didn't grow up speaking.
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Also fuck the people who called non furries mundanes or whatever
Oh, that use of the word mundane originates from science-fiction fandom, decades before furry fandom even existed. Most often it's heard in the context of "Don't freak the mundanes", i.e., don't behave in a way to confuse, annoy, or squick people who aren't part of the fandom by doing something fandom-ish in front of them. But still, yeah, as a word it's depreciating and creates a false sense of "betterness".
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Also fuck the people who called non furries mundanes or whatever
Oh, that use of the word mundane originates from science-fiction fandom, decades before furry fandom even existed. Most often it's heard in the context of "Don't freak the mundanes", i.e., don't behave in a way to confuse, annoy, or squick people who aren't part of the fandom by doing something fandom-ish in front of them. But still, yeah, as a word it's depreciating and creates a false sense of "betterness".
In this case, it indicates that they think that their sense of humor is somehow more advanced than that of non-furries.
Furries seem to have this idea that any random use of words is gut-busting hilarious. Even the mere mention of the phrase "abort the toast" is enough to send 2's sycophants into fits of uproarious laughter. I'd like to think that there's some sort of story behind that phrase that actually makes it into some type of inside joke that only 2's fans know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the entire punchline is 2 shouting "ABORT THE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAST!" at the top of his lungs, then standing silently with a Dane Cook-like smirk on his face for the next 5 seconds, expecting the crowd to let it sink in, figure out what the fuck he's talking about, decide that what they just heard is the funniest thing ever shouted by anyone, and laugh uncontrollably for the next two minutes.
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Furries seem to have this idea that any random use of words is gut-busting hilarious.
Explains the popularity of Family Guy among furries, I guess.
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If only for my own amusement, I can at least think of a joke to go along with a punchline of 'abort the toast', in a Mike Burbiglia storytelling joke sort of manner. But those sorts of jokes require one to have actual life experiences that can be found amusing by others, and somehow I don't think an idyllic furfag lifestyle counts.
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Has anyone put up a podcast or whatever of 2's routines from one of his CC shows? It'd be interesting to see what, if any differences there are from his usual rants.
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Has anyone put up a podcast or whatever of 2's routines from one of his CC shows? It'd be interesting to see what, if any differences there are from his usual rants.
No, 2 apparently DMCAs anyone that puts up any sort of video of his performances.
His desire to not be mocked by the public at large apparently outweighs his desire for attention and publicity.
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Has anyone put up a podcast or whatever of 2's routines from one of his CC shows? It'd be interesting to see what, if any differences there are from his usual rants.
No, 2 apparently DMCAs anyone that puts up any sort of video of his performances.
Really. Well, if someone's got video or audio, I've got a host that knows how to handle DMCAs from furries.
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Really. Well, if someone's got video or audio, I've got a host that knows how to handle DMCAs from furries.
:3
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This morning the Improv canceled his show scheduled for tomorrow (and replaced him with this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvpTXZ1VjUA)), so he posted a journal about it (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1925486/) with just a hint of bawwww. Already plenty of asspat comments and people saying he should sue for "breach of contract" and "damages".
And by "show" I mean he was going to perform for 10 minutes.
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Dude needs to work on his timing and tighten up his act a little bit, but certainly light years ahead of 2 on the comedy front.
Also hahaha suing for breech of contract yes go on dig that hole even deeper
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Dude needs to work on his timing and tighten up his act a little bit, but certainly light years ahead of 2 on the comedy front.
Also hahaha suing for breech of contract yes go on dig that hole even deeper
Yeah, at least Bill sticks to shit that everybody can relate to. That is why "the humans" think he is funnier than 2.
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I find it funny that whenever something goes his way, it's all due to his great comedic skills but as soon as he suffers a setback it's always some other person's fault? He seems like a person with a narcissistic personality - the one post about his first 'big' show is pretentious as fuck. All the asspat comments are funny too; do people expect to become popular by association if they kiss his ass constantly?
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do people expect to become popular by association if they kiss his ass constantly?
Doesn't that describe most furries?
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do people expect to become popular by association if they kiss his ass constantly?
Doing that to Kage is essentially how he became popular.
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do people expect to become popular by association if they kiss his ass constantly?
Doing that to Kage is essentially how he became popular.
I don't think it was Conway's ass he was kissing.
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What pisses me off about this guy is threefold:
1) He lets fame get to his head. Sorry back in the day when he was starting out we were friends. We talked and we hung out at cons and whatever I bought him meals because I didn't mind because that's what friends do right? Right? Now it's like "Oh I am uber popular and I expect to be catered to and blah blah blah" and y'know what? That's fricking retarded. You're popular in a FURRY FANDOM. You're popular in a fandom where the biggest con attendance is not over 5,000 and what does Comic Con do a day? at least 120,000! Which leads me to ...
2) He thinks he can actually go somewhere with his talent. He has no backup plan, no plan at all and sponges off furries who think he's "cool". No y'know what cool is? Cool is owning up to your responsibilities and getting a job and joining the rest of us instead of being a lazy dreamer who thinks he's going to go on worldwide TV and entertain millions. Reality check there genius.. there are hundreds of THOUSANDS of stand up comics. Most of them I have not even heard of and they have shows on Comedy Central but that's as far as it goes. Most of these people don't ever get up to the standards of Dennis Leary, Robin Williams, George Carlin and those are a SELECT FEW people who have made it that big. Most don't get that popular and if they do they have to work at it night and day and do it while.. guess what.. holding down a REGULAR JOB. When I asked him if he was going to get a job he said "I can't do that and do 2 sense and all the other stuff there's just not enough time in the day.." Right.
3) He thinks he deserves special treatment. Why? Because you can get up on stage and make people laugh? Look I can make people laugh.. anyone can.. it's not really that f-ing hard. But when I demand that I get flown to Europe and have my "best pal Kage" asking for people to donate money so they can get him there.. no.. that's gone too fucking far. If the con wants to pay his way that's their ass.. likewise if Kage wants to dip into the 100k+ a year he's making from his regular job to pay for his ticket again that's his ass.. but asking PEOPLE to pay his way? NO. Fuck that! What the fuck do I get out of the deal? If I were to go ahead and pay for his way to a con what do I get out of it? That people get to be entertained? BIG FUCKING DEAL! Go buy one of the DVDS and watch it in your room or host a room party so you can get the same experience at a con and STILL have money left over to spend on things you want!
So in closing.. he's not talented.. or edgy.. he's just a user. And that's all he will be.
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So in closing.. he's not talented.. or edgy.. he's just a user. And that's all he will be.
Ranting and pointing his finger at everything but his heart.
We'll miss him. We're gonna miss him.
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do people expect to become popular by association if they kiss his ass constantly?
Doing that to Kage is essentially how he became popular.
Once the first few of his Denis-Leary-ripoff rants hit the net, they had a symbiotic relationship. 2 used Kage for fame and leech popularity and Kage used 2 to say the politically incorrect things that Kage couldn't say. 2 especially used to do this on Furrymuck. Kage would come in, conveniently introduce a topic, and 2 would start tearing it apart for the assembled audience.
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http://twitter.com/#!/ToastTheRabbit/status/127054647331536896
@2_gryphon performing live at @TheComedyStore Saturday oct 29 @7:30 Original room. Show up in costume mention gryphon get half price @ door!
It appears he'll be the warmup act for some other guy (http://hollywood.thecomedystore.com/show.cfm?id=115621&cart) who was on "Last Comic Standing" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynLJtrZ0YkI).
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Show up in costume, mention gryphon get half price @ door!
HA, HA, HA, oh wow...
So, an open invite to furries basically.
I wanna go just to see the reactions from the other half of the crowd that has never heard of furries and doesn't understand why all these people wearing tails and ears and dog costumes keep finding these jokes about some "bad dragon" guy so funny.
2's jokes about the furry fandom are actually kind of funny, but I really wonder how much of his humor can translate to something the mundanes will understand, I mean, most of his material, if not explicitly furry-related is at least centered on geek culture.
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Show up in costume, mention gryphon get half price @ door!
HA, HA, HA, oh wow...
So, an open invite to furries basically.
Didn't we discuss this earlier in the thread; this is how these clubs try to capitalize/minimize their losses on niche or unknown comedians- get their friends from back home, or their online followers, or whatever- to come see them. Theoretically buy drinks and then stay on for the "real" act. It makes sense except that these are furries; well known for not tipping and not being real super guests at restaurants and stuff.
So whoever's doing this clearly hasn't had experience with furries in groups going out on the town. They'll never make that mistake again.
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Man I would just lose my shit if people started denying gigs to 2 explicitly because of his fan base coming in and shitting up the joint.
Not that I think his 'comedy' would stand on its own anyway but that'd just be amazing if they blamed the furries.
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Didn't we discuss this earlier in the thread; this is how these clubs try to capitalize/minimize their losses on niche or unknown comedians- get their friends from back home, or their online followers, or whatever- to come see them. Theoretically buy drinks and then stay on for the "real" act. It makes sense except that these are furries; well known for not tipping and not being real super guests at restaurants and stuff.
So whoever's doing this clearly hasn't had experience with furries in groups going out on the town. They'll never make that mistake again.
Man I would just lose my shit if people started denying gigs to 2 explicitly because of his fan base coming in and shitting up the joint.
Not that I think his 'comedy' would stand on its own anyway but that'd just be amazing if they blamed the furries.
Why exactly do you think furries are such horrible patrons?
Everything I've read from the papers covering cons and such mentions businesses being extremely grateful for the furries presence and saying the furries were extremely polite... bowling alleys give fursuiters free games, that sort of thing. I have rarely heard of places asking furries not to come back. A little confirmation bias here, sure, but every con I've been to, I go out with the local restaurants and try to get out of the hotel a couple times a day, and I've always seen lots of furries acting normally (albeit wearing tails) at restaurants and I've always seen tons of furries spending money at the hotel bar.
Sure, a group of strange people show up at your restaurant and they wear tails and shit, but furries tend not to do this at upper crust places. So furries don't tend to buy top-shelf alcohol... big deal. Although I did see someone buy Kage a $20 glass of high end scotch. We tend to spend a little money without causing trouble. They may not tip big, that isn't the management's problem. If enough of them show up and order 2 well drinks each, you still make money on what is otherwise a slow night. My mom used to own a singles bar. You wouldn't believe the stuff people do when they're drunk. People would constantly try to rip off the place, guys would get in fights and break shit, girls would get in fights and throw glasses at each other... Furries have their drama but we're mostly way too nerdy for that. What's the worst thing a furry did? Throw himself down the stairs? The last thing a comedy club wants is the cops showing up and killing the mood. Furries aren't likely to do that.
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Why exactly do you think furries are such horrible patrons?
Everything I've read from the papers covering cons and such mentions businesses being extremely grateful for the furries presence and saying the furries were extremely polite... bowling alleys give fursuiters free games, that sort of thing. I have rarely heard of places asking furries not to come back.
It really depends on the group of people. I know the local furry group has (used to, at least, I stopped checking in) a really hard time with "behaving appropriately" and would get kicked out of every bowling alley or restaurant they went to. They'd go to restaurants and look at porn on laptops in full view of everyone, would leave without paying, would get a little gropey at bowling alleys, they'd not follow the directions laid out by the bowling alley, etc. They got kicked out of enough bowling alleys in the area that word started getting around and they'd get denied requests to hold meets at ones they'd never been to. I stopped participating in the mailing list because I got tired of seeing this:
[MAILLIST] Bowling meet this saturday!!!
[MAILLIST] RE: Bowling meet this saturday!!!
[MAILLIST] Post-Bowling Meet Outing at Dennys!
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[MAILLIST] KICKED OUT OF DENNYS
[MAILLIST] Next months bowling meet canceled, need to find new venue!
and two hundred replies of e-drama and shit flinging. Every. Month.
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I don't blame anyone for not buying alcohol out on the town; since I know the profit margin on that sort of thing is obscene. I'm a conservative person when it comes to my own personal finances, honestly. If the entire business model is predicated on that (as it tends to be with comedy clubs), I'd just rather not go.
I meant more that furries seem to have a problem with basic courtesy such as tipping. There's a difference between being a stingy bastard and wanting to get value for your money. A lot of furries clearly don't seem to want the latter; as evidenced by their spending on video games and gadgets.
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It really depends on the group of people. I know the local furry group has (used to, at least, I stopped checking in) a really hard time with "behaving appropriately" and would get kicked out of every bowling alley or restaurant they went to. They'd go to restaurants and look at porn on laptops in full view of everyone, would leave without paying, would get a little gropey at bowling alleys, they'd not follow the directions laid out by the bowling alley, etc. They got kicked out of enough bowling alleys in the area that word started getting around and they'd get denied requests to hold meets at ones they'd never been to. I stopped participating in the mailing list because I got tired of seeing this:
Where do you live? I think it depends a lot on the part of the country (or which country) you're in, as to how far you can push the envelope as far as public behavior goes. And, let's compare apples to apples here, a raunchy comedy club is not a family friendly bowling alley.
As far as the things people do in "adult" establishments, I think furries are pretty tame. Believe it or not, it's the otherwise normal people who tend to get out of line when drunk.
I don't blame anyone for not buying alcohol out on the town; since I know the profit margin on that sort of thing is obscene. I'm a conservative person when it comes to my own personal finances, honestly. If the entire business model is predicated on that (as it tends to be with comedy clubs), I'd just rather not go.
I meant more that furries seem to have a problem with basic courtesy such as tipping. There's a difference between being a stingy bastard and wanting to get value for your money. A lot of furries clearly don't seem to want the latter; as evidenced by their spending on video games and gadgets.
I think you can break furries down into 2 groups of people. There are the furries who can hold down a job and can still function in society when happy, fun, furry time is over. People who have fursuits and travel long distances to cons tend to be these people, since those require a lot of disposable income. And then there is everybody else who brings the fail. I would think this being a 21+ venue and having a cover charge would discourage the latter group from attending in the first place.
I understand how you feel about furries being stingy. The local fur meets/BBQ here have all but vanished, mostly because the guys running it got burnt out on doing it so many times and having 50+ people show up, of whom only about 10% were willing to make any contribution to the cause. Most of the people wouldn't even put $2 in a jar to help fund the event, which is less than the cost of a bus ride to get there. So the organizers wound up losing money every time. Seriously, if you can't come up with $2, WTF???!!1 A couple guys want to get another meetup going and want my mate and I to organize it, apparently we are the most responsible furries in the area now and we kind of get this feeling of do not want.
I've heard the same thing from other people about furries not expecting to tip. I don't know where that comes from, maybe these people have never gone out on the town in their whole lives, but I don't think the management of a comedy club would care. Well, they might care a little bit but their main concern is getting bodies in the door, not how much their staff made on tips that night.