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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2014, 12:21:34 pm »
I'm loving how all this drama is really bringing the shitheads and socially stunted nerds just crawling out of the wood to suck off Princess Piche and the almighty Zaush while pissing on anyone that disagrees and wishing rape and murder on people.

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2014, 04:09:32 pm »
Quote from: Sciggles
Its still FA related because Dragoneer and Fender

I like how Dragoneer is listed first and as an important part of the con, which basically goes and confirms the con is all about him. Great work, Sciggles.

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2014, 03:01:16 am »
2Gryphon decided to get in on the action, labeling what is probably the majority of YouTube's entire staff as "scumballs" for no reason other than that they work for YouTube.

https://twitter.com/2_gryphon/status/424782025489256448
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So people are actually leaving a site because they don't like a staff member... and still have accounts on Youtube with 1000 scumball staff.

https://twitter.com/2_gryphon/status/424783437573005312
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@YuriFoxie I know, right?! "Waaaah, FA has a sex offender staff member. Pardon me while I upload my taint sandwich video to xtube!"

He's worse at commentary than he is at comedy, and he's not very good at that, either.

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2014, 04:38:43 am »
Looks like Zaush is feeling some heat now. He made these comments on a journal someone made about other places they post their art:

Quote from: Zaush
Hopefully you don't subscribe to the here-say that's been the bane of my fandom existence for the past 3 years or so.

Quote from: Zaush
Thanks, I'll probably be putting a journal up soon to address said accusations directly.

When it was suggested that he should say nothing and not acknowledge all this, he replied:

Quote from: Zaush
I tried that, and since then things have only gotten worse. People's only real source of information, if not for my interjection, are various drama articles and repositories that take great entertainment in seeing a popular figure encounter as much torment as possible. I can't sit in silence forever, not anymore.

Comments all from here:

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5421310/#cid:38085989

From Zaush's twitter:

Quote from: Zaush
Thanks. I'm really hoping to address this issue via journal tonight, and say my piece. Pulling out the chat logs for this one
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https://twitter.com/Zaush/status/424775149125001216

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Interesting that this has now been made:

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This is a blog that is devoted to featuring and spotlighting artists who wish to leave FurAffinity (or have already done so) but either cannot due to requiring commissions to stay afloat financially or, for those who HAVE left, will be dealing with financial issues as a result.

This blog is NOT a place to argue or discuss the goings on of FA, its staff, or the validity of any actions that may or may not have occured! We WILL delete your asks without responding, especially if all you are doing is sending hate! There are countless other places to argue and fight over the goings-on; this place is not and will not be one of them.

If you would like to be featured, please visit our submit page for more information about what is necessary!
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http://fa-exodus-database.tumblr.com/

Also, someone drew a picture:


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http://artboigles.tumblr.com/post/73534003999/current-state-of-affairs

This one was done by an anonymous person posting on lulz.net:

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2014, 05:37:41 am »
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ctrlaltdel123: Developer working under Adam Wan...

The lone developer has Zaush for a boss? RIP Project Phoenix. Why he has to work under Zaush instead of directly for Neer is baffling and stupid, given how small the team is. It seems like a great way to chase away FA's Last Great Hope.
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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2014, 10:25:17 am »
Someone just linked to, on lulz.net, a chatlog posted on livejournal on December 2009 (a year before the note leak when the Ferality note about Zaush was revealed, so before people generally knew about Zaush's proclivities) where Zaush was badgering an uninterested woman about having sex and trying to persuade her that her boyfriend wasn't right for her so she should have sex with Zaush:

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14 December 2009 @ 08:38 pm
ugh, Zaush 
So, I had the most awful conversation with the one and only Zaush last night.

A week ago, he IMs me out of no where and just wants to chat so it seems. Apparently he was looking for girls to have friends with benefits. So I out right told him no.

Last night's conversation was going pretty friendly, no sexual talk. Then the mention of sex came up, threesomes were talked between the two of us (not in the sense that I'd have one with him, god no, just in general if it was of interest).

Well...

(1:19:58 AM) Yote: My bf's not into the whole friends with benefits thing, but apparently wouldn't mind a threesome with another girl
(1:24:00 AM) VideoZaush: hm!
(1:24:03 AM) VideoZaush: do tell..
(1:24:19 AM) VideoZaush: i dunno if that changes your thoughts on anything?
(1:29:16 AM) Yote: Lol....not really.
(1:29:48 AM) Yote: I did tell him what you and I discussed, since neither of us keep secrets, and he seemed slightly put off by you to be honest xD
(1:30:09 AM) VideoZaush: lemme guess, it seems threatening to him?
(1:30:19 AM) Yote: Well, yes..you're hitting on his girlfriend.
(1:30:41 AM) VideoZaush: hm, that tells me a bit about his personality...
(1:31:27 AM) Yote: He knows I wouldn't cheat on him, but guys will always have that slight ping of jealousy
(1:31:57 AM) VideoZaush: i kind of encourage kio to flirt a bit with guys, or look for prospective or possible fun people to lend her to
(1:32:44 AM) VideoZaush: to be honest, if he's jealous i even mentioned the idea to you, then you two probably aren't super compatible. i don't need a guy like him breathing down my neck
(1:33:03 AM) Yote: Although when we discussed it. I was mentioning how, even though I'd never date another girl again, I would totally not mind messing around with one. Because, damn...girls can be so fucking hot
(1:33:52 AM) VideoZaush: kio and i have always been kind of interested in partner swapping or doing some fooling around with another couple, but again, that kind of sets off some warning bells
(1:34:22 AM) VideoZaush: the jealousy thing, that is
(1:35:03 AM) Yote: I'm not sure how I'd feel about sleeping with another guy to be honest
(1:35:12 AM) VideoZaush: who said anything about sleeping? >D
(1:35:19 AM) Yote: You know what I mean
(1:35:22 AM) VideoZaush: lol
(1:35:28 AM) VideoZaush: well, forget i said it then
(1:35:33 AM) Yote: :P
(1:37:41 AM) VideoZaush: what i really need to find are some girls who aren't attached to, what i can only sum up most guys as: jealous boyfriends
(1:40:52 AM) Yote: Well, he's not that jealous. I'm best friends with my recent ex still and I don't think he really even cares
(1:41:32 AM) VideoZaush: if me just asking about your thoughts on FWB makes him "put off" by me, then i would beg to differ a bit XD
(1:43:11 AM) Yote: Well, I think FWB to him is sort of in a way, cheating. He's sort of old fashioned and doesn't like the idea of his partner being shared.
(1:43:27 AM) VideoZaush: mm, but he's perfectly ok with fucking other girls >D
(1:43:34 AM) VideoZaush: seems one-sided, a little selfish
(1:43:41 AM) Yote: it's not one sided!
(1:43:47 AM) Yote: I like girls~
(1:44:05 AM) VideoZaush: i know, but he feels threatened by guys
(1:44:15 AM) VideoZaush: you do not feel threatened by him with a girl
(1:44:41 AM) Yote: He never watches porn with a guy in it lol, he thinks it's gross
(1:45:03 AM) Yote: the idea of seeing another naked man to him is gross
(1:45:25 AM) VideoZaush: i can only assume he'd mess around with another girl with permission. i can assume he would also not afford that to you if the roles were switched?
(1:46:38 AM) Yote: hm?
(1:47:27 AM) VideoZaush: basically, he'd mess around with a girl, and he would not want you messing around with a guy
(1:47:35 AM) Yote: pretty much
(1:47:55 AM) VideoZaush: mm, yes that seems selfish to me, is all
(1:48:07 AM) VideoZaush: so it's a bad fit
(1:48:22 AM) Yote: Eh, I don't mind :3
(1:50:29 AM) VideoZaush: i would guess this has something to do with your rule against drawing your character with other guy's characters?
(1:52:20 AM) Yote: Mm, not really
(1:52:28 AM) Yote: That's my own personal thing
(1:52:41 AM) VideoZaush: hm, you're no fun :3



I don't need a tiny cocked asshole like him telling me that my bf isn't right for me.

Fucking shit head.

If some of you don't know who Zaush is, google him.
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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2014, 03:31:18 pm »


Dragoneer can't learn how to be quiet and instead is opting to slam his dick in the car door again.

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2014, 04:57:39 pm »
Holy shit how long has it been since I posted here?

It’s one thing to feel cautious about rape accusations, especially given how a single false accusation can fuck up someone’s life for years. I understand that mentality, even if I don’t fully condone it.

That said: ’Neer not only fucked up his initial response to the accusations (I know: what DOESN’T he fuck up), but he continues to fuck up by sounding more and more like an insensitive jerkass with each continued response to the accusations during all this new drama.

Of course, ’Neer doesn’t have too many options for a reaction here. If he fires Wan from FA staff (at the bare minimum), he risks becoming a pariah to Wan’s fanboi brigade. If he addresses this situation even more publicly than he has to date, he'll likely bring even more drama upon FA as he tries to respond to further allegations of misconduct (of which we've already seen him do a piss poor job). If he stays quiet in the face of criticism, he’ll look like an even bigger asshole regardless of whose side any given person takes.

Basically, ’Neer kinda fucked himself over hard by not addressing this situation back when he received the first accusations, and now things have come back to bite him (and FA) on the ass. I don’t envy the position he finds himself in right now.

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2014, 05:21:47 pm »
I think it's a bit more complicated than "becoming a pariah to Wan’s fanboi brigade". Time and time again, we've seen Dragoneer's friendships with people drive how he acts, both on his site and elsewhere.

Simply put, at this point I'd imagine he considers Zaush a "friend", and thus he will not do anything whatsoever that might compromise the friendship, which apparently includes having them depart the site staff. It wouldn't be fun or pleasant, which means he won't do it.

We've seen this happen with Chase both times he was on staff. The first time, he was untouchable. Then, Chase insulted Dragoneer's father and he was shitcanned within a very short time. Now he's back, and it's right back to being untouchable like he was before. In his mind, it's all about friendship, and if ignoring what Chase said about his parents and going through a PR disaster just to make sure one more person talks to him, he'll do it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Dragoneer is desperate. He'll do anything to keep people around him, and at this point it seems like that includes sinking his own ship. I'd say that I'm amazed no one has really taken advantage of the trust he puts in his friends, but I don't think anyone smart enough to take advantage of him wants to deal with him.

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2014, 07:03:12 pm »
That seems pretty self-defeating, though; I mean how many of these 'friends' are actually friends, and how many are just associating with/providing asspats/etc because Piche owns FA?

Does he really think Zaush and Chase (and honestly even Scigs) would have anything to do with him if he weren't king shit of the fur porn trade?  What about all those people tweeting that they'll never leave FA no matter what in some clearly misguided effort to curry Piche's favor?  I find it pretty difficult to believe they'll be able to 'stick to their principles' when their preferred spank bank goes away.

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2014, 12:22:10 am »
From that LiveJournal:
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anal_apocalypse on December 14th, 2009 10:11 pm (local)
Adam Wan/Zaush. Not worth the 10 cent round it would take to core his head out.

Besides, the bayonet is so much more personal, so much more visceral. At range, you really can't sense much of your target's death. But up close, you can see his eyes bulge as the spike skewers him, you can hear his gasp of surprise and his shriek of agony. You can feel the warmth of his body, smell the blood and steel. Anybody can kill douchebags at range, but up close, it's a work of art.

who is this anal_apocalypse person, i love him more than words can express
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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2014, 08:56:41 am »
then he hent that noble prince by the hand,
and said "welcome my soueraigne King HENERY!
chalenge thy Herytage and thy Land,
that thine owne is, and thine shall bee."

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2014, 12:40:42 pm »
Holy shit how long has it been since I posted here?

It’s one thing to feel cautious about rape accusations, especially given how a single false accusation can fuck up someone’s life for years. I understand that mentality, even if I don’t fully condone it.

That said: ’Neer not only fucked up his initial response to the accusations (I know: what DOESN’T he fuck up), but he continues to fuck up by sounding more and more like an insensitive jerkass with each continued response to the accusations during all this new drama.

Of course, ’Neer doesn’t have too many options for a reaction here. If he fires Wan from FA staff (at the bare minimum), he risks becoming a pariah to Wan’s fanboi brigade. If he addresses this situation even more publicly than he has to date, he'll likely bring even more drama upon FA as he tries to respond to further allegations of misconduct (of which we've already seen him do a piss poor job). If he stays quiet in the face of criticism, he’ll look like an even bigger asshole regardless of whose side any given person takes.

Basically, ’Neer kinda fucked himself over hard by not addressing this situation back when he received the first accusations, and now things have come back to bite him (and FA) on the ass. I don’t envy the position he finds himself in right now.

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2014, 01:37:54 pm »
Zaush has created a journal addressing the accusations and project phoenix itself, here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5434971/

He removed links to the chatlogs that supplement the journal, so I noted him about it and re-uploaded them so they couldn't be removed by him later (listed in order of appearance):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-1.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-2.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-3.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-4.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-5.jpg

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2014, 01:58:29 pm »
Look at all those suckups in the comments. Gullible fools, every last one of them. Sucking up all his lies, they don't deserve any pity for being so gullible.
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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2014, 02:19:09 pm »
Look at all those suckups in the comments. Gullible fools, every last one of them.

Thanks for reaffirming what everyone else is thinking. Do you have anything of any real substance to contribute, or are you just going to continue to post useless quips like this?
im glad the "I saw a furry IRL" thread is so good at bringing goons together

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2014, 05:34:38 pm »
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5436278

Neer's going into "damage control" mode again. Cue the suckups.
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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2014, 08:02:53 pm »
So it took them THIS long to say "We're gonna say something on this".

Will it be another week before they make an official statement? How long does it take to actually address an issue?

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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2014, 08:10:37 pm »
So it took them THIS long to say "We're gonna say something on this".

Will it be another week before they make an official statement? How long does it take to actually address an issue?

"We're working on it!" Is FA-speak for "We're fucked and don't know what to do" so...

As has been said, Dragoneer can't take back what he said and Zaush's reputation is permanently tainted. There's no going back. Whatever they do will be the absolute bare minimum and it's only happening because, by all accounts, an exodus of thousands of users has taken place over this.

It's going to be PR for the bumbling morons left on FA who are defending this shit. Happening only because the Kingdom is being threatened, not because Dragoneer cares about anyone's safety or things Zaush has done.


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Re: Project Phoenix
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2014, 08:29:34 pm »
So it took them THIS long to say "We're gonna say something on this".

Will it be another week before they make an official statement? How long does it take to actually address an issue?

"We're working on it!" Is FA-speak for "We're fucked and don't know what to do" so...

As has been said, Dragoneer can't take back what he said and Zaush's reputation is permanently tainted. There's no going back. Whatever they do will be the absolute bare minimum and it's only happening because, by all accounts, an exodus of thousands of users has taken place over this.

It's going to be PR for the bumbling morons left on FA who are defending this shit. Happening only because the Kingdom is being threatened, not because Dragoneer cares about anyone's safety or things Zaush has done.
...you have a point

I will honestly be surprised if FA is left standing by next year. IF (i hold no high hopes for this) this new project gets off the ground it'll more than likely be buggier than what we currently have and/or people just simply won't like the newer version and just leave because of that.

All in all, I'm appalled at the magnitude of fail.