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Daggers and Spears and Songs => FA Obsession Collection => Topic started by: Conan on January 16, 2014, 12:22:53 am
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Nestled in today's news update, behind the announcement of a new banner (I thought they were done with that!), was the official announcement that Adam Wan's new pet recode project is actually an official site undertaking.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5417252 (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5417252)
Announcing Fur Affinity: Project Phoenix
Fur Affinity is happy to announce that the next version of furaffinity.net is in active development. Our goal is simple, to provide you with a better experience that can be sustained and improved upon for years to come.
To reach this goal, we will be rewriting Fur Affinity from the ground up. Codenamed Project Phoenix, we’re able to take full advantage of new technologies that have emerged since Fur Affinity's birth, ensuring the site is easily maintained and extended upon for years to come.
We’re also working on a visual refresh, improving the overall look and feel, as well as the user experience. We’ll be holding our design to a higher standard to ensure that Fur Affinity provides ease of use while retaining high visual appeal.
(http://www.furaffinity.net/img/fa_2014_notes_template_sm.png) (http://www.furaffinity.net/img/fa_2014_notes_template.jpg)
Design prototype for Phoenix - Click to enlarge (http://www.furaffinity.net/img/fa_2014_notes_template.jpg)
Fur Affinity relies on its community, and it’s because of you that we’re all here today. We’d like to thank you for your patience and your faith. From today, we’re going to be posting regular updates regarding this project and the site in general. 2014 is a new year for us, and we want to increase transparency and trust for all aspects of the administration.
About Fur Affinity: Fur Affinity was created in 2005 as an outlet for creative expression within the furry community. Today it continues to be the largest active community site for the furry fandom.
About the Team:
We’ve established a team experienced in product management, UI, and the development of large-scale web applications.
Dragoneer: Owner and head admin of Fur Affinity, Dragoneer has been with FA since 2005. He manages the organization as a whole as part of his day-to-day responsibilities. For Project Phoenix, he provides top-level guidance and direction to ensure the project meets the organization’s needs and vision for the future of FA.
Adam Wan: Also known in the fandom as Zaush. Development lead for the new Fur Affinity. Adam has over 11 years of experience in various technical fields such as web development, game engine development, UX, and applications for integrated systems. Lately his work has been related to user experience, complex intranet tools, and integrated applications.
ctrlaltdel123: Developer working under Adam Wan to help with the new Fur Affinity. He has experience designing, implementing, and testing real-time software systems and web applications.
Nanuk: Product and marketing lead for the new Fur Affinity. Nanuk has experience managing and marketing products for large scale web properties. He works to help organize planning and development of the new Fur Affinity, while maintaining transparency with the community.
Interesting to note that it says Dragoneer "provides top-level guidance and direction to ensure the project meets the organization’s needs and vision for the future of FA." something he completely failed to do while Eevee was working on Ferrox. Not to mention I wouldn't trust Dragoneer to guide a shopping cart through the grocery store.
Additionally, in my opinion that site mockup needs some refining, what with the MASSIVE arrow thing (This type of icon is usually the "share" button on other sites) next to the reply button just kind of sticks way out when you look at the page. No dobut Special Instructions have been given to make the site "mobile friendly", because that has been Dragoneer's new favorite thing to talk about ever since he got a tablet.
So, will the project fail spectacularly before it gets off the ground? Will they go through with it only to find out these "new technologies" are horribly inadequate for a community of FA's size? Will the hype trail off into nothingness, with announcements that the project is "on hold" four years from now?
EDIT: Some gold from the comments:
(http://i.imgur.com/oZea0Ex.png)
It is, however, the 6th or 7th attempt at re-writing the entire site "from the ground up".
This one speaks for itself.
(http://gyazo.com/d1a30f771f33d6579cb88224f19c6dbc.png)
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It's mentioned by someone on that news journal:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5417252#cid:38036744
that 8 people have already been banned for mentioning that whole Zaush thing in the comments. Lots and lots of hidden comments on that journal:
(http://i.imgur.com/o64rLi7.jpg)
The official FA line is whole hearted defense of Zaush:
Zaush is a pretty cool guy. He knows his stuff and we've got an awesome team dynamic going right now, so things are pretty good!
Whatever rumors may exist are rather inconsequential. What matters in this context is how he performs in his role as head developer, and from what I've seen he's doing quite well so far.
We're willing to address comments about FA's history, about this project, but the policy and tolerance toward personal attacks and what is potentially libelous commentary has not changed.
There are a lot of negative and skeptical comments in general too, perhaps even the majority of them. Plus, as you'd expect there appears to be no intention/ability to give the users what they actually want (folders is mentioned a lot).
One "Nanuk" has been appointed, by the grace of Princess Piche, as the PR person for the project and in this case PR means stilted cargo cult PR (from the comments on the announcement journal):
we're increasing transparency with this project to keep you guys updated as we move along [...] We're also going to be reading through suggestions (like yours!) and keeping track of them. So I'll start out by saying thanks for the suggestions! We're definitely looking at ways to improve the UI, so we'll be looking at that as we continue to iterate on it. We're also aware of the high demand for folders and mobile phone support, and that's something on our roadmap as well.
Site outages aren't necessarily related to the code
We're aware of the desire for folders so it's something we're looking into
As for folders, we're definitely aware they're in hot demand and it's one of the many suggestions we're looking at.
A document reader is already on my list of suggestions, but unfortunately it's rather difficult.
Mobile support is definitely on our roadmap for the future.
I can see why Piche would choose him since he joined the site recently, in 2012 and so has no idea about all the other failed attempts:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5417252#cid:38030031
And is a beep-boop admins did nothing wrong:
Those who get in trouble have the perception that the admins are picking on them unfairly when, of course, you and I just know they're doing their jobs.
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I can see why Piche would choose him since he joined the site recently, in 2012 and so has no idea about all the other failed attempts:
In Nanuk's defense, much of what I've seen from him has been level-headed (albeit somewhat lawyer-y, but seeing as he's going for his JD, this shouldn't be surprising) even if it has been sort of ignorant or naïve, given that he's lacking a lot of the context. This might just be the one decision that I've agreed with when it comes to people that Princess Piche has picked.
I'm hoping he sizes up to be a decent PR person here all things considered. I'm also hoping that he doesn't get so invested in it that he loses sight of what's actually going on and tries to bail out a sinking ship.
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PR's Bad.
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Might just be me, but they have a lot of chiefs and just one indian.
The technical is possible, NodeJS can be a perfectly fine end to end solution. I don't know if they have the chops to pull it, but it's feasible.
What they don't have, I think, is action people. They've got idea people.
Those projects always fail.
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i guess three years after the fact fa thinks they can now safely extend the troll/troublemaker category to include everyone who knows/cares what adam wan did
not that it wasn't there already
mentioning z-dogg's record on fa is going to become like mentioning what happened to cumulus clouds on sa
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... like mentioning what happened to cumulus clouds on sa
Dish girlfriend!!!!
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I knew nobody'd get the reference, so the story goes a bit like this:
A number of years ago, a bunch of people on FYAD were trolling Wikipedia, and had taken notice of a particularly pedantic user named "Cumulus Clouds". A bunch of users, most notably Anne Frank Fanfic, took it upon themselves to troll and harass him (calling him a "sperg" and such) to a degree that even a few others thought was excessive. Cumulus Clouds turned out to be a high school student, and committed suicide some time later. As the situation unraveled, it looked more and more like they had (wittingly or unwittingly) pushed an already vulnerable and unstable kid into killing himself. There was even (mod-approved) talk of crashing his funeral.
Like everything genuinely bad that's happened at Something Awful, the story has been supressed only to be repeated and distorted by a bazillion dumbshits, mostly from shitty racist SA offshoots with an axe to grind like Rhizzone and My Posting Career. Because of that, there's a lot of details to the story that I just don't have or are probably wrong. The kid's parents apparently do have the most accurate picture of what happened, and may or may not be weighing their options.
Anyway, as of now bringing up the situation on SA will at minimum put you on the radar and at most get you banned and your post edited depending on who sees the post and how much of a handle you've got on the sequence of events. Anne Frank Fanfic and the moderator that talked about the funeral crashing are pretty much actively being protected at this point.
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One thing that isn't being mentioned in all this is Yak or Net-Cat.
Where's Yak in all this? How's he going to take his demotion? What secret deadmen switches does HE have on the servers that he's going to push?
What about Net-cat? I thought Net-cat still speaks of FA in the "we and us" tone.
Should be entertaining.
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PR's Bad.
Authorities said, "Seriously."
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Could this be eligible for a potential RICO on Neer and his gang?
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lol no
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Gamerfox, you seem to really want law enforcement to do stuff about people you don't like. Have you considered anger management counseling? :P
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It appears that people are deciding to move to Weasyl again, this time because Zaush is on the Phoenix team. Spike in Weasyl sessions, and lots of leaving journals to ensue.
Big Tumber post (http://demonsandteapots.tumblr.com/post/73536436764) of people being suspended for saying Zaush is a rapist. Basically at this point, anyone even mentioning his name is getting hit by the administration.
(http://i.imgur.com/aof1YCV.png)
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lots of leaving journals to ensue.
Sciggles has been popping up in some of them, I noticed. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a scraper for "weasyl". Anyhow Sciggles is handling queries and requests for clarification from people in in her usual style:
I appreciate your input but I am not discussing the issue further. Your question has been answered.
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5422162/#cid:38068961
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Answering by not answering. How very zen.
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Is anyone attempting to compile a list of words that may have scrapers attached to them? I have an idea.
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For the record...
(http://i.imgur.com/2Y9u9qa.png)
This whole event prompted Weasyl traffic to spike in one day to nearly the same level it had on the "peak" day of the last FA outage, which built up over the course of a week.
Perhaps Dragoneer will soon learn that his actions have consequences, and stomping your feet and plugging your ears when the community voice their dislike of your staff is NOT a way to make them shut up.
Is anyone attempting to compile a list of words that may have scrapers attached to them? I have an idea.
A few years ago, we found ones for "Inkbunny", "Antheria", and "Allan". There were probably more. There are most certainty new ones since then, with the possibility Yak spent a few minutes just making journals searchable through the admin panel.
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Some cracks may be starting to appear with Dragoneer/Sciggles and (some of) their friends over all this. Today Silverautomatic apparently suggested on twitter, to Sciggles, that the Furaffinity United convention should be renamed/sever its formal connection with FA (what else could have prompted this but Zaush?) and Sciggles was not pleased and responded in her usual style:
Its still FA related because Dragoneer and Fender, unless you start a new con and remove the two its still gonna happen...
Yeah, but we've mentioned a few times that it might be time to change the name. "New coat of paint." Might not be a bad time.
I've not been part of that discussion and I disagree. Regardless not something that should be discussed publicly.
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https://twitter.com/Scigglicious/status/424524687712874497
If Dragoneer/FA takes a hit, she takes one too since the only thing that gives Dragoneer any traction in this subculture is his ownership of FA and the only thing that gives Sciggles any traction is her relationship with Dragoneer, so I imagine she's extremely agitated at the moment. She can feel it starting to slip away.
Also, note that Silverautomatic said "we". He is on staff ("events director" and "head of security") at the FA United convention, so he might be speaking for other staff there too. Would be rather funny if Princess Piche and wife lost their vanity convention.
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And given that he LIVES WITH THEM, the fact that he's suggesting it publicly means a lot more.
I really wanted to like Silver, but he's just so argumentative and defensive that he doesn't see the forest through the trees.
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I'm loving how all this drama is really bringing the shitheads and socially stunted nerds just crawling out of the wood to suck off Princess Piche and the almighty Zaush while pissing on anyone that disagrees and wishing rape and murder on people.
Furries, classy as ever.
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Its still FA related because Dragoneer and Fender
I like how Dragoneer is listed first and as an important part of the con, which basically goes and confirms the con is all about him. Great work, Sciggles.
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2Gryphon decided to get in on the action, labeling what is probably the majority of YouTube's entire staff as "scumballs" for no reason other than that they work for YouTube.
https://twitter.com/2_gryphon/status/424782025489256448
So people are actually leaving a site because they don't like a staff member... and still have accounts on Youtube with 1000 scumball staff.
https://twitter.com/2_gryphon/status/424783437573005312
@YuriFoxie (https://twitter.com/YuriFoxie) I know, right?! "Waaaah, FA has a sex offender staff member. Pardon me while I upload my taint sandwich video to xtube!"
He's worse at commentary than he is at comedy, and he's not very good at that, either.
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Looks like Zaush is feeling some heat now. He made these comments on a journal someone made about other places they post their art:
Hopefully you don't subscribe to the here-say that's been the bane of my fandom existence for the past 3 years or so.
Thanks, I'll probably be putting a journal up soon to address said accusations directly.
When it was suggested that he should say nothing and not acknowledge all this, he replied:
I tried that, and since then things have only gotten worse. People's only real source of information, if not for my interjection, are various drama articles and repositories that take great entertainment in seeing a popular figure encounter as much torment as possible. I can't sit in silence forever, not anymore.
Comments all from here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5421310/#cid:38085989
From Zaush's twitter:
Thanks. I'm really hoping to address this issue via journal tonight, and say my piece. Pulling out the chat logs for this one
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https://twitter.com/Zaush/status/424775149125001216
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Interesting that this has now been made:
FurAffinity Exodus Database
This is a blog that is devoted to featuring and spotlighting artists who wish to leave FurAffinity (or have already done so) but either cannot due to requiring commissions to stay afloat financially or, for those who HAVE left, will be dealing with financial issues as a result.
This blog is NOT a place to argue or discuss the goings on of FA, its staff, or the validity of any actions that may or may not have occured! We WILL delete your asks without responding, especially if all you are doing is sending hate! There are countless other places to argue and fight over the goings-on; this place is not and will not be one of them.
If you would like to be featured, please visit our submit page for more information about what is necessary!
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http://fa-exodus-database.tumblr.com/
Also, someone drew a picture:
(http://i.imgur.com/uzanx5e.png)
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http://artboigles.tumblr.com/post/73534003999/current-state-of-affairs
This one was done by an anonymous person posting on lulz.net:
(http://i.imgur.com/fy6kddE.png)
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ctrlaltdel123: Developer working under Adam Wan...
The lone developer has Zaush for a boss? RIP Project Phoenix. Why he has to work under Zaush instead of directly for Neer is baffling and stupid, given how small the team is. It seems like a great way to chase away FA's Last Great Hope.
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Someone just linked to, on lulz.net, a chatlog posted on livejournal on December 2009 (a year before the note leak when the Ferality note about Zaush was revealed, so before people generally knew about Zaush's proclivities) where Zaush was badgering an uninterested woman about having sex and trying to persuade her that her boyfriend wasn't right for her so she should have sex with Zaush:
14 December 2009 @ 08:38 pm
ugh, Zaush
So, I had the most awful conversation with the one and only Zaush last night.
A week ago, he IMs me out of no where and just wants to chat so it seems. Apparently he was looking for girls to have friends with benefits. So I out right told him no.
Last night's conversation was going pretty friendly, no sexual talk. Then the mention of sex came up, threesomes were talked between the two of us (not in the sense that I'd have one with him, god no, just in general if it was of interest).
Well...
(1:19:58 AM) Yote: My bf's not into the whole friends with benefits thing, but apparently wouldn't mind a threesome with another girl
(1:24:00 AM) VideoZaush: hm!
(1:24:03 AM) VideoZaush: do tell..
(1:24:19 AM) VideoZaush: i dunno if that changes your thoughts on anything?
(1:29:16 AM) Yote: Lol....not really.
(1:29:48 AM) Yote: I did tell him what you and I discussed, since neither of us keep secrets, and he seemed slightly put off by you to be honest xD
(1:30:09 AM) VideoZaush: lemme guess, it seems threatening to him?
(1:30:19 AM) Yote: Well, yes..you're hitting on his girlfriend.
(1:30:41 AM) VideoZaush: hm, that tells me a bit about his personality...
(1:31:27 AM) Yote: He knows I wouldn't cheat on him, but guys will always have that slight ping of jealousy
(1:31:57 AM) VideoZaush: i kind of encourage kio to flirt a bit with guys, or look for prospective or possible fun people to lend her to
(1:32:44 AM) VideoZaush: to be honest, if he's jealous i even mentioned the idea to you, then you two probably aren't super compatible. i don't need a guy like him breathing down my neck
(1:33:03 AM) Yote: Although when we discussed it. I was mentioning how, even though I'd never date another girl again, I would totally not mind messing around with one. Because, damn...girls can be so fucking hot
(1:33:52 AM) VideoZaush: kio and i have always been kind of interested in partner swapping or doing some fooling around with another couple, but again, that kind of sets off some warning bells
(1:34:22 AM) VideoZaush: the jealousy thing, that is
(1:35:03 AM) Yote: I'm not sure how I'd feel about sleeping with another guy to be honest
(1:35:12 AM) VideoZaush: who said anything about sleeping? >D
(1:35:19 AM) Yote: You know what I mean
(1:35:22 AM) VideoZaush: lol
(1:35:28 AM) VideoZaush: well, forget i said it then
(1:35:33 AM) Yote: :P
(1:37:41 AM) VideoZaush: what i really need to find are some girls who aren't attached to, what i can only sum up most guys as: jealous boyfriends
(1:40:52 AM) Yote: Well, he's not that jealous. I'm best friends with my recent ex still and I don't think he really even cares
(1:41:32 AM) VideoZaush: if me just asking about your thoughts on FWB makes him "put off" by me, then i would beg to differ a bit XD
(1:43:11 AM) Yote: Well, I think FWB to him is sort of in a way, cheating. He's sort of old fashioned and doesn't like the idea of his partner being shared.
(1:43:27 AM) VideoZaush: mm, but he's perfectly ok with fucking other girls >D
(1:43:34 AM) VideoZaush: seems one-sided, a little selfish
(1:43:41 AM) Yote: it's not one sided!
(1:43:47 AM) Yote: I like girls~
(1:44:05 AM) VideoZaush: i know, but he feels threatened by guys
(1:44:15 AM) VideoZaush: you do not feel threatened by him with a girl
(1:44:41 AM) Yote: He never watches porn with a guy in it lol, he thinks it's gross
(1:45:03 AM) Yote: the idea of seeing another naked man to him is gross
(1:45:25 AM) VideoZaush: i can only assume he'd mess around with another girl with permission. i can assume he would also not afford that to you if the roles were switched?
(1:46:38 AM) Yote: hm?
(1:47:27 AM) VideoZaush: basically, he'd mess around with a girl, and he would not want you messing around with a guy
(1:47:35 AM) Yote: pretty much
(1:47:55 AM) VideoZaush: mm, yes that seems selfish to me, is all
(1:48:07 AM) VideoZaush: so it's a bad fit
(1:48:22 AM) Yote: Eh, I don't mind :3
(1:50:29 AM) VideoZaush: i would guess this has something to do with your rule against drawing your character with other guy's characters?
(1:52:20 AM) Yote: Mm, not really
(1:52:28 AM) Yote: That's my own personal thing
(1:52:41 AM) VideoZaush: hm, you're no fun :3
I don't need a tiny cocked asshole like him telling me that my bf isn't right for me.
Fucking shit head.
If some of you don't know who Zaush is, google him.
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http://silveryote.livejournal.com/199219.html
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(http://i.imgur.com/sbFhmTo.png)
Dragoneer can't learn how to be quiet and instead is opting to slam his dick in the car door again.
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Holy shit how long has it been since I posted here?
It’s one thing to feel cautious about rape accusations, especially given how a single false accusation can fuck up someone’s life for years. I understand that mentality, even if I don’t fully condone it.
That said: ’Neer not only fucked up his initial response to the accusations (I know: what DOESN’T he fuck up), but he continues to fuck up by sounding more and more like an insensitive jerkass with each continued response to the accusations during all this new drama.
Of course, ’Neer doesn’t have too many options for a reaction here. If he fires Wan from FA staff (at the bare minimum), he risks becoming a pariah to Wan’s fanboi brigade. If he addresses this situation even more publicly than he has to date, he'll likely bring even more drama upon FA as he tries to respond to further allegations of misconduct (of which we've already seen him do a piss poor job). If he stays quiet in the face of criticism, he’ll look like an even bigger asshole regardless of whose side any given person takes.
Basically, ’Neer kinda fucked himself over hard by not addressing this situation back when he received the first accusations, and now things have come back to bite him (and FA) on the ass. I don’t envy the position he finds himself in right now.
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I think it's a bit more complicated than "becoming a pariah to Wan’s fanboi brigade". Time and time again, we've seen Dragoneer's friendships with people drive how he acts, both on his site and elsewhere.
Simply put, at this point I'd imagine he considers Zaush a "friend", and thus he will not do anything whatsoever that might compromise the friendship, which apparently includes having them depart the site staff. It wouldn't be fun or pleasant, which means he won't do it.
We've seen this happen with Chase both times he was on staff. The first time, he was untouchable. Then, Chase insulted Dragoneer's father and he was shitcanned within a very short time. Now he's back, and it's right back to being untouchable like he was before. In his mind, it's all about friendship, and if ignoring what Chase said about his parents and going through a PR disaster just to make sure one more person talks to him, he'll do it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that Dragoneer is desperate. He'll do anything to keep people around him, and at this point it seems like that includes sinking his own ship. I'd say that I'm amazed no one has really taken advantage of the trust he puts in his friends, but I don't think anyone smart enough to take advantage of him wants to deal with him.
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That seems pretty self-defeating, though; I mean how many of these 'friends' are actually friends, and how many are just associating with/providing asspats/etc because Piche owns FA?
Does he really think Zaush and Chase (and honestly even Scigs) would have anything to do with him if he weren't king shit of the fur porn trade? What about all those people tweeting that they'll never leave FA no matter what in some clearly misguided effort to curry Piche's favor? I find it pretty difficult to believe they'll be able to 'stick to their principles' when their preferred spank bank goes away.
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From that LiveJournal (http://silveryote.livejournal.com/199219.html):
anal_apocalypse on December 14th, 2009 10:11 pm (local)
Adam Wan/Zaush. Not worth the 10 cent round it would take to core his head out.
Besides, the bayonet is so much more personal, so much more visceral. At range, you really can't sense much of your target's death. But up close, you can see his eyes bulge as the spike skewers him, you can hear his gasp of surprise and his shriek of agony. You can feel the warmth of his body, smell the blood and steel. Anybody can kill douchebags at range, but up close, it's a work of art.
who is this anal_apocalypse person, i love him more than words can express
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(http://i.imgur.com/x5SYYPC.png)
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https://twitter.com/Kyammix/status/425158735334363136/photo/1
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Holy shit how long has it been since I posted here?
It’s one thing to feel cautious about rape accusations, especially given how a single false accusation can fuck up someone’s life for years. I understand that mentality, even if I don’t fully condone it.
That said: ’Neer not only fucked up his initial response to the accusations (I know: what DOESN’T he fuck up), but he continues to fuck up by sounding more and more like an insensitive jerkass with each continued response to the accusations during all this new drama.
Of course, ’Neer doesn’t have too many options for a reaction here. If he fires Wan from FA staff (at the bare minimum), he risks becoming a pariah to Wan’s fanboi brigade. If he addresses this situation even more publicly than he has to date, he'll likely bring even more drama upon FA as he tries to respond to further allegations of misconduct (of which we've already seen him do a piss poor job). If he stays quiet in the face of criticism, he’ll look like an even bigger asshole regardless of whose side any given person takes.
Basically, ’Neer kinda fucked himself over hard by not addressing this situation back when he received the first accusations, and now things have come back to bite him (and FA) on the ass. I don’t envy the position he finds himself in right now.
Hey Freehaven, how far up your ass is Zaush's dick?
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Zaush has created a journal addressing the accusations and project phoenix itself, here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5434971/
He removed links to the chatlogs that supplement the journal, so I noted him about it and re-uploaded them so they couldn't be removed by him later (listed in order of appearance):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-1.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-2.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-3.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-4.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-5.jpg
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Look at all those suckups in the comments. Gullible fools, every last one of them. Sucking up all his lies, they don't deserve any pity for being so gullible.
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Look at all those suckups in the comments. Gullible fools, every last one of them.
Thanks for reaffirming what everyone else is thinking. Do you have anything of any real substance to contribute, or are you just going to continue to post useless quips like this?
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5436278
Neer's going into "damage control" mode again. Cue the suckups.
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So it took them THIS long to say "We're gonna say something on this".
Will it be another week before they make an official statement? How long does it take to actually address an issue?
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So it took them THIS long to say "We're gonna say something on this".
Will it be another week before they make an official statement? How long does it take to actually address an issue?
"We're working on it!" Is FA-speak for "We're fucked and don't know what to do" so...
As has been said, Dragoneer can't take back what he said and Zaush's reputation is permanently tainted. There's no going back. Whatever they do will be the absolute bare minimum and it's only happening because, by all accounts, an exodus of thousands of users has taken place over this.
It's going to be PR for the bumbling morons left on FA who are defending this shit. Happening only because the Kingdom is being threatened, not because Dragoneer cares about anyone's safety or things Zaush has done.
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So it took them THIS long to say "We're gonna say something on this".
Will it be another week before they make an official statement? How long does it take to actually address an issue?
"We're working on it!" Is FA-speak for "We're fucked and don't know what to do" so...
As has been said, Dragoneer can't take back what he said and Zaush's reputation is permanently tainted. There's no going back. Whatever they do will be the absolute bare minimum and it's only happening because, by all accounts, an exodus of thousands of users has taken place over this.
It's going to be PR for the bumbling morons left on FA who are defending this shit. Happening only because the Kingdom is being threatened, not because Dragoneer cares about anyone's safety or things Zaush has done.
...you have a point
I will honestly be surprised if FA is left standing by next year. IF (i hold no high hopes for this) this new project gets off the ground it'll more than likely be buggier than what we currently have and/or people just simply won't like the newer version and just leave because of that.
All in all, I'm appalled at the magnitude of fail.
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I present to you the logic of Piche's/Zaush's fanclub:
(http://i.imgur.com/9NvvF9kh.jpg)
Bask in the complete glory of idiocracy at its finest...
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I don't know if it's better or worse than this fucking post, https://twitter.com/furaffinity_txt/status/425462867194683392 but it's sure as fuck in the same general category.
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Zaush has created a journal addressing the accusations and project phoenix itself, here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5434971/
He removed links to the chatlogs that supplement the journal, so I noted him about it and re-uploaded them so they couldn't be removed by him later (listed in order of appearance):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-1.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-2.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-3.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-4.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16197479/chat-5.jpg
"My fiancé had since dumped me the past spring for one of her swinging partners, an older guy with a larger income. "
Wow... bitter much, Zaush?
I didn't think he could dig himself in deeper....but he did somehow!
Zaush: The idea of PR and spin control is to reverse the damage of bad press, not make it worse by making yourself look like a whiny, entitled child.
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-disregard, i'm an idiot-
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A extremely wordy journal was posted today that was apparently supposed to "help".
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5440900
In short: No, Zaush isn't going anywhere and once again, the site policies are going to be updated to be "more clear" because apparently the last 50 tries just weren't good enough.
The real good stuff is in the comments section, where the new "PR Guy" Nanuk has taken to talking like he's been on staff forever (as opposed to a week) and getting everything completely wrong the second he opens his mouth.
I just want to say, the common assumption that web developers are a "dime a dozen" is far from untrue. When staffing a site with volunteers, it's quite difficult to find someone who is incredibly skilled and willing to volunteer their free time for the betterment of the community and the site. There are a lot of people who dabble in web development, myself included, but it takes a lot of experience and work to get to the point where you can reliably build great large-scale web applications. When looking at volunteers, we have to determine whether their skill set is in line with what we need at the time. And often it's hard to find someone with both the experience, skill, and time that we need right now.
And the assumption that decisions are made arbitrarily is something that I've seen throughout my professional experience. Decisions are far from arbitrary, and I've personally been reading every comment I could regarding this situation for the past several days, which has as you can imagine taken up quite a bit of my own time. I brought all of these to the table when we were making our decisions, and we took into account the community's voice and concern when making these decisions.
I can understand how that isn't obvious just now, but I do hope in the future you'll give us the opportunity to demonstrate more clearly that we do listen.
True, many volunteers have surfaced in the past. But often times they didn't have the skillset needed to work on a site this size.
I'm not sure what you mean by a refusal to allow the community to help?
Apparently he has not been filled in on the dozens of people who have tried to offer their free time over the years. All being ignored. Some of them have gone on to help with Weasyl, which has yet to fall over due to the Anti-Furry Conspiracy those people were all a part of.
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This Nanuk guy might be the most competent person FA has ever put on their PR end. Not high praise, considering, but he's got a handle on talking the talk I think.
Though FA would need about eighty Nanuks to handle this mess. Poor guy has his work cut out for him.
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The real good stuff is in the comments section, where the new "PR Guy" Nanuk has taken to talking like he's been on staff forever (as opposed to a week) and getting everything completely wrong the second he opens his mouth.
You gotta admit, though, that he can seriously talk the talk. Dude's seriously pro. It's about damn time, but it's a shame that the only pro on their team is in spin control and not, you know, infrastructure or development. But, hey, good public relations!
Apparently he has not been filled in on the dozens of people who have tried to offer their free time over the years. All being ignored. Some of them have gone on to help with Weasyl, which has yet to fall over due to the Anti-Furry Conspiracy those people were all a part of.
No, no, not ignored. Disregarded. We were all trying to start drama! We weren't "popufur" enough! We didn't like inflation fetishism! We were associated with Arcturus!
Then again, not doing shit for the furries is the only common sense solution at this point, which is perfectly fine by me. It means I have more time to myself for more, uh, personal projects.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wsVPRXS-xw
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This Nanuk guy might be the most competent person FA has ever put on their PR end. Not high praise, considering, but he's got a handle on talking the talk I think.
Though FA would need about eighty Nanuks to handle this mess. Poor guy has his work cut out for him.
He does. I actually managed to talk to the guy at FC purely by accident and he seemed competent and all his ideas were correct, but doomed to fail (like getting Piche to give up a little control).
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Le Plot Thickens...
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Look at all the cocksucking for this Nanuk guy. He is on FA's team! Like it or not, this is a war, and in war we do not compliment the enemy.
I eagerly await the day when the FBI seizes their domain.
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I eagerly await the day when the FBI seizes their domain.
this is the second time i've had to lol no you in a week
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I eagerly await the day when the FBI seizes their domain.
this is the second time i've had to lol no you in a week
And you claim you dislike Piche and his site.
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Look at all the cocksucking for this Nanuk guy. He is on FA's team! Like it or not, this is a war, and in war we do not compliment the enemy.
I eagerly await the day when the FBI seizes their domain.
I call the guy hopelessly naive, basically, and that's sucking his cock? Lol get out, as they say.
Please, Mr. Gamerfox, enlighten us as to what, exactly, FA has done to gain the FBI's attention. Nobody here will disagree that FA is terrible and Piche is an even worse person, but straight up criminal? Please.
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i fucking hate piche but i hold no illusions that he is going away
fucker is probably going to wind up like groat or 2, just an institution of loathsomeness that won't go away
evil men fall for their mistakes, not their crimes
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Look at all the cocksucking for this Nanuk guy. He is on FA's team! Like it or not, this is a war, and in war we do not compliment the enemy.
I eagerly await the day when the FBI seizes their domain.
are you a real person
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just hangin' out in this thread after fc
wanna know what i didn't do all weekend?
care about FurAffinity
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just hangin' out in this thread after fc
wanna know what i didn't do all weekend?
care about FurAffinity
Would that more would follow your example
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just hangin' out in this thread after fc
wanna know what i didn't do all weekend?
care about FurAffinity
Ugh, I eagerly await the day when the FBI seizes your computer.
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And you claim you dislike Piche and his site.
Yes comrade, why aren't you on board with the revolution? Lack of patriotism, lack of faith in the ideals of the revolution? I have a train ticket for you! You go now!
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Dragoneer finally comes out and admits that he thinks he can be irresponsible and do whatever because "It'll die down".
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5447443/#cid:38244612
(http://i.imgur.com/yRQZFTZ.png)
Every time he opens his mouth, something increasingly stupid comes out, so I'm looking forward to what he says/does next.
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christ that avatar is fucking -perfect- for the situation. Just complete stubborn disdain, rolling the eyes dismissively. The only thing it's missing is a few frames of gif animation of him sticking his fingers in his ears and going LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU
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he also completely missed the point of the journal he was commenting on
not surprising, but
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Nanuk is no longer the "PR Person". This was rumored to be the case a while ago, but he has now confirmed it himself.
https://twitter.com/NanukBurr/status/446421074318598144
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FA's criminally stupid server dicks up again: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/1189020-Error-500-when-creating-new-submission
Nice work, Zaush.
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So an update came out today, and it turns out that Project Phoenix is open source (https://github.com/FurAffinity/phoenix). Also worth noting: the person who did the initial commit is a Weasyl dev.
So apparently they're serious enough about this they've taken to headhunting people from competing websites.
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So an update came out today, and it turns out that Project Phoenix is open source (https://github.com/FurAffinity/phoenix).
How the hell did someone manage to convince 'neer to make it open source? What about the EVIL ANTI-FA HACKERS seeing all the code? And Zaush is presumably okay with it too? He's prepared to give up being SUPREME GLORIOUS TEAM LEADER of the SUPER ELITE CODING GROUP?
I must've stepped through a portal to opposite world.
As for the journal, this (https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5621018#cid:39360909) comment chain is hilarious.
if it is going to be under higher security, why is it posted out where all to see? Seems like a pretty amateur move to make to me.
Publicity of code doesn’t have much bearing on security. When it does, it’s usually positive. Take Linux, for example.
never heard of Linux, tbh.
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Um.
Wow. I gotta admit, that was probably the last thing I'd ever thought I'd see.
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Ferrox was open source, remember. I think Dragoneer knows there's more positives than negatives there.
I'm most surprised with the Weasyl dev, though, because Dragoneer has always been paranoid about that kind of stuff. This leads me to believe that Charmander is probably feeding him insider information. Who wants to bet a future announcement of new Phoenix features includes most of what Weasyl collected from their feature request thing?
Also it's really fucking funny that the Phoenix developer is another person with a Pokemon character.
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I'm most surprised with the Weasyl dev, though, because Dragoneer has always been paranoid about that kind of stuff. This leads me to believe that Charmander is probably feeding him insider information.
Actually, he trusts me because I don’t have a Vivisector account.
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I'm most surprised with the Weasyl dev, though, because Dragoneer has always been paranoid about that kind of stuff. This leads me to believe that Charmander is probably feeding him insider information.
Actually, he trusts me because I don’t have a Vivisector account.
So much for that, then.
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If that's his only meaningful criteria for trusting anyone, we've done our job.
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I'm most surprised with the Weasyl dev, though, because Dragoneer has always been paranoid about that kind of stuff. This leads me to believe that Charmander is probably feeding him insider information.
Actually, he trusts me because I don’t have a Vivisector account.
Oh, I think that post explains exactly why he's trusting you. :3c
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if it is going to be under higher security, why is it posted out where all to see? Seems like a pretty amateur move to make to me.
Publicity of code doesn’t have much bearing on security. When it does, it’s usually positive. Take Linux, for example.
never heard of Linux, tbh.
I'm actually a little glad there's a single furry alive, as dumb as he may be, that doesn't think every IT solution is USE ALL THE LINUX!
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I'm actually a little glad there's a single furry alive, as dumb as he may be, that doesn't think every IT solution is USE ALL THE LINUX!
It doesn't count as being thoughtful and considering alternatives if you have no idea what those alternatives are.
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Don't you have people to purposefully misgender and uncited sources to flag, sperglord?
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I can multitask. Do you have a point, or are you just trying to change the topic? :-)
There are alternatives out there. FreeBSD is quite popular among a certain crowd. Heck, a lot of businesses use Windows Server (http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000webservers/). (These are the same people keeping Azure afloat.)
What matters is whether your developers and server administrators know what they're doing. It's this which will determine the success of Phoenix, not the languages and platforms they choose.
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It doesn't count as being thoughtful and considering alternatives if you have no idea what those alternatives are.
Wait, wait, holy shit did GR just execute a subtle yet effective burn? Daaaaaamn you got TOLD, ratty.
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There's now a twitter account (https://twitter.com/phoenix_log) that autoposts new commits.
Like this really important one (https://github.com/FurAffinity/phoenix/commit/e9a9438feae1b44094a2a5462d34c4b21b6657c8). How can you expect anyone to develop new useful things when the ridiculous site documents aren't already loaded in???
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Looks like it's still charmander working alone. What is it with pokemon recoding FA?
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Well, the digimon connected to it sure as fuck can't do anything.
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Like this really important one (https://github.com/FurAffinity/phoenix/commit/e9a9438feae1b44094a2a5462d34c4b21b6657c8). How can you expect anyone to develop new useful things when the ridiculous site documents aren't already loaded in???
This pattern of implementing the kitchen sink (in this case, adding in routes to documents that are ultimately not critical to any functionality as if it were a general sort of web site-ish CMS) with some of these projects is actually somewhat amusing. Then, when I think about it, it makes sense; furries don't know how to keep shit simple.
I'm hoping this attempt doesn't encounter a downward death spiral, but I'm not optimistic.
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This project will be abandoned and it will only offer small "teases" from time to time (basically, just shopped screenshots because maybe they aren't even coding it). Later in 2017 we will have another "grand project" to finally give FA a better functioning, just to end up the same way forever and ever. Amen.
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I know you're a shitposter, and I rarely bite on things, but literally ONE FUCKING POST before yours is a link to their github. They're coding on it.
Whether it becomes anything, who knows, but it's definitely being coded on, it definitely works. Ish. I guess.
But none of this coding is really rocketscience. This is a pretty easy devps thing.
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Anyways they are gonna screw it up just like they have been doing. Phoenix is gonna be Ferrox 2.0, same deceit, same conspiracy to steal funds and never release anything.
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Anyways they are gonna screw it up just like they have been doing. Phoenix is gonna be Ferrox 2.0, same deceit, same conspiracy to steal funds and never release anything.
These projects are always just a way for Dragoneer to pretend like things are happening while absolving himself of any responsibility. If this project fails, he will probably end up pointing the finger at Weasyl and crying about sabotage because Charmander is on both teams.
Though I've been told that Charmander is leaking information to Weasyl about the project, and probably vice-versa, so he wouldn't be too off the point on that one.
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Anyways they are gonna screw it up just like they have been doing. Phoenix is gonna be Ferrox 2.0, same deceit, same conspiracy to steal funds and never release anything.
These projects are always just a way for Dragoneer to pretend like things are happening while absolving himself of any responsibility. If this project fails, he will probably end up pointing the finger at Weasyl and crying about sabotage because Charmander is on both teams.
Though I've been told that Charmander is leaking information to Weasyl about the project, and probably vice-versa, so he wouldn't be too off the point on that one.
Is Charmander new to one of the sites? I could have sworn Dragoneer kicked out all the FA staff who were involved with Weasyl at the same time.
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Is Charmander new to one of the sites? I could have sworn Dragoneer kicked out all the FA staff who were involved with Weasyl at the same time.
I’m newer to FA than to Weasyl, but the wonderful world of art sites is all fairly new to me in general.
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5819207
Phoenix Team Recruitment
By Fender, 8 hours ago
We're looking for a skilled layout and CSS wizard to join phoenix team to help us finish our first milestone! Is that person you? Drop us a notice with some examples of your work in a comment on the journal.
What's this? Is Zaush really going to let someone else work on his part of the project? Or did he quit?
Because that would be fucking hilarious.
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5819207
Phoenix Team Recruitment
By Fender, 8 hours ago
We're looking for a skilled layout and CSS wizard to join phoenix team to help us finish our first milestone! Is that person you? Drop us a notice with some examples of your work in a comment on the journal.
What's this? Is Zaush really going to let someone else work on his part of the project? Or did he quit?
Because that would be fucking hilarious.
There are (at time of posting) 818 comments on that journal, and I read down the page, and they are overwhelmingly negative towards the project, towards FA and its staff and Dragoneer.
A comment that was positively received, with several people responding to it supportively was this one:
I'll care when you fire your pet Zaush.
PS: If most of the comments on your announcements are angry/negative have you considered that there's a big fucking problem and it's probably you
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5819207/#cid:40580672
Also, I saw this little broken promise from 2010 while looking to see if peoples reactions were so negative to Fender news journals a few years ago:
(http://i.imgur.com/CwyQKiY.jpg)
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1123385/#cid:9395463
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So... this thing all fixed now or what?
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So... this thing all fixed now or what?
No, some stuff happened with the thing, and then that whatsit ended up doing something or other.