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<ActualTeahound> Find me on Weasyl under Teahound. My InkBunny will also no longer be active due to GreenReaper being transphobic as fuck.
<WikiNorn> @ActualTeahound I'm only 'transphobic' if you choose to define that word to include the refusal to lie about a person's physical sex.
<broadwing> @WikiNorn If all this is about Wikifur, wouldn't your position be in opposition to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Transgender_pronouns#Identity<WikiNorn> @broadwing It isn't anything to do with WikiFur or Wikipedia except that I edit on both sites. The linked policy is one I disagree with.
<WikiNorn> @broadwing Note, though, that WikiFur's own policies are also based on consensus, and differ in some respects from my personal opinions.
<WikiNorn> @broadwing Of course, I disagree with several Wikipedia policies. WikiFur was founded as a reference based in part on original research.
<Brefin> @MizDanaClaire Insisting on calling one He when trans so tragically mirrors the negative and does nothing to make Her feel safe n secure
<WikiNorn> @Brefin My concern is using a term which I think conveys an inaccurate fact about a person. I'm happy to use "they" or their name instead.
<Brefin> @WikiNorn From their point of view, their fact is what they believe in their heart and mind. Anything else is a horrible disservice to them.
<WikiNorn> @Brefin We're not talking about the same thing. I accept their gender is different from their sex. But to me, 'he' and 'she' are about sex.
<WikiNorn> @Brefin The only way for me to resolve it would be to treat them as someone who's roleplaying i.e. a drag queen, which is insulting to them.
<WikiNorn> @randomfox Conversely, if I believed a person was physically male, I would be fine saying 'he'; I'd have to stop on discovering the truth.
<WikiNorn> @randomfox If I was actually wrong in my initial assessment of sex, and I was convinced of that, then by the same logic I'd change pronoun.
<randomfox> @WikiNorn @ribnose @MizDanaClaire I've met plenty of cis dudes who looked like chicks, and they don't take kindly to it either, so...
<WikiNorn> @randomfox I've had that happen a few times; I'm cool with it. I have long hair, which is pretty rare on a guy around here.
<MizDanaClaire> @WikiNorn That isn't how it comes across, ever, to anyone.
<WikiNorn> @MizDanaClaire Not true. When someone says "he" to me, I expect that person to be physically male. That is what the word means, to me.
<randomfox> @WikiNorn @ribnose @MizDanaClaire Your whole standpoint boils down to "I don't think other peoples feelings matter" You realize that, right?
<WikiNorn> @randomfox @ribnose @MizDanaClaire I'm willing to make accommodations for people's feelings which do not require me to say something untrue.
<randomfox> @WikiNorn @ribnose @MizDanaClaire I'm just saying, how are you so self assured in your assessment, short of X-ray vision?
<WikiNorn> @randomfox If I wasn't sure, I'd probably use 'they'; but the issue is having to say something I believe to be false, not whether I'm right.
