Vivisector
Daggers and Spears and Songs => Scandal! => Topic started by: Vaerinn on December 30, 2013, 05:57:53 pm
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Tough to say what started this whole damn mess (the drama, not GreenReaper), but Parry's apparently pretty adamant about misgendering anyone he finds guilty of 'misrepresenting' their real sex.
https://twitter.com/WikiNorn/status/417503423722827776
And who should get neck deep in this whole mess than everyone's favorite shaving-obsessed furry, Dana!
https://twitter.com/MizDanaClaire/status/417022985917059074
Not linked: way more tweets in which he stands bravely by his logical decision to never tell a lie and stick with REAL pronouns.
(Title and post edited for a really shitty ableism)
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I'd like to thank Kinsy and the residents of #Viv for helping cause this complete and total implosion.
Bless you, Vivisector.
Blivisector.
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Looks like we've got someone copping to firing the first shot in our little Twitter war!
https://twitter.com/coyoteseven/status/416721760612917248
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It's often said here when he posts.
Greenreaper, you talk too much.
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HERE HAVE A BIG FAT SPERGY WALL OF TEXT
<ActualTeahound> Find me on Weasyl under Teahound. My InkBunny will also no longer be active due to GreenReaper being transphobic as fuck.
<WikiNorn> @ActualTeahound I'm only 'transphobic' if you choose to define that word to include the refusal to lie about a person's physical sex.
<broadwing> @WikiNorn If all this is about Wikifur, wouldn't your position be in opposition to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Transgender_pronouns#Identity
<WikiNorn> @broadwing It isn't anything to do with WikiFur or Wikipedia except that I edit on both sites. The linked policy is one I disagree with.
<WikiNorn> @broadwing Note, though, that WikiFur's own policies are also based on consensus, and differ in some respects from my personal opinions.
<WikiNorn> @broadwing Of course, I disagree with several Wikipedia policies. WikiFur was founded as a reference based in part on original research.
<Brefin> @MizDanaClaire Insisting on calling one He when trans so tragically mirrors the negative and does nothing to make Her feel safe n secure :(
<WikiNorn> @Brefin My concern is using a term which I think conveys an inaccurate fact about a person. I'm happy to use "they" or their name instead.
<Brefin> @WikiNorn From their point of view, their fact is what they believe in their heart and mind. Anything else is a horrible disservice to them.
<WikiNorn> @Brefin We're not talking about the same thing. I accept their gender is different from their sex. But to me, 'he' and 'she' are about sex.
<WikiNorn> @Brefin The only way for me to resolve it would be to treat them as someone who's roleplaying i.e. a drag queen, which is insulting to them.
<WikiNorn> @randomfox Conversely, if I believed a person was physically male, I would be fine saying 'he'; I'd have to stop on discovering the truth.
<WikiNorn> @randomfox If I was actually wrong in my initial assessment of sex, and I was convinced of that, then by the same logic I'd change pronoun.
<randomfox> @WikiNorn @ribnose @MizDanaClaire I've met plenty of cis dudes who looked like chicks, and they don't take kindly to it either, so...
<WikiNorn> @randomfox I've had that happen a few times; I'm cool with it. I have long hair, which is pretty rare on a guy around here.
<MizDanaClaire> @WikiNorn That isn't how it comes across, ever, to anyone.
<WikiNorn> @MizDanaClaire Not true. When someone says "he" to me, I expect that person to be physically male. That is what the word means, to me.
<randomfox> @WikiNorn @ribnose @MizDanaClaire Your whole standpoint boils down to "I don't think other peoples feelings matter" You realize that, right?
<WikiNorn> @randomfox @ribnose @MizDanaClaire I'm willing to make accommodations for people's feelings which do not require me to say something untrue.
<randomfox> @WikiNorn @ribnose @MizDanaClaire I'm just saying, how are you so self assured in your assessment, short of X-ray vision?
<WikiNorn> @randomfox If I wasn't sure, I'd probably use 'they'; but the issue is having to say something I believe to be false, not whether I'm right.
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And, not to be outdone, he starts posting in a shitstorm on LJ, too:
(https://peq.io/URI:CHK:y7njhhkyr4wpghex7km6yzy6ku:6g2xwm3x6ieffy5qofmu4yeeumb6xin2vjsjoo7cbofp7a37ewlq:3:8:22188)
(https://peq.io/URI:CHK:bjbd6qpyqqgmj7csyu6pzuyuoy:ylsyafiusuxnshllzq3fwbi57iwzakgqkfrug4yc6e654iw5gzcq:3:8:99343)
(https://peq.io/URI:CHK:3b2u6xvtj3x7xxjrtunsiq6bty:tto45fmojzckztpvy3qqidg3fjux5men2vzb5w3orzpbuadw4cba:3:8:147059)
It's amazing - you can get GreenReaper to spew words about -anything-, and he'll just go ON and ON and ON.
ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?*(!@&(*#&(!@*#
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"Ultimately your wish to feel safe does not trump my wish to feel honest." -- GreenReaper, 2013
:thumbsup:
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(http://gyazo.com/a492e77b7502bee8f8312d988bd0f1de.png)
(http://gyazo.com/44d02c1adc0a1646581d58f398754951.png)
well if so many people are trying to change how you understand the english language then maybe you don't???
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(http://i.imgur.com/M7Z8KZA.png)
So many words just to say *farrrrrrrrrrt*
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I woke up to more of this shit. It's still going on, to upwards of 600 comments total.
(https://peq.io/URI:CHK:ot6uqo3srj5q3bl3ws5ax34sf4:6nby5tkk5uggybdrtplfjaqqapg4es6s2553bmebgsst7kmvahya:3:8:137956.png)
(https://peq.io/URI:CHK:qppc5xw2vqwdxm2n23ufqarvzy:653357b4aqku5pipq32anzp7bcaeeziagbimkpi5u4tccxfzveoa:3:8:82563.png)
(https://peq.io/URI:CHK:ikx2rcxo3uqjqxdzcl4z5wfpma:an5tp3gykgu6slzsn5t4qkqh5j3prugn4gancc4g6ymavcjvkc5a:3:8:112592.png)
(https://peq.io/URI:CHK:s2tlgekn77dunqwvpc6ex6i74u:pgofj4jq5rohq6slklnibe3l5lh2j4ghpbxyqbjxqxsv4lb23ixq:3:8:130435.png)
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I do love how he's always defended Wikifur for being more obtuse and user-shielding in information than Wikipedia is, but the big all-factual-information-serious-stuff Wiki actually uses the pronouns the subject wishes.
It's like he's had a criticality incident with autism now, our little scientist murdering Demon Core.
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And, not to be outdone, he starts posting in a shitstorm on LJ, too:
[snip images]
It's amazing - you can get GreenReaper to spew words about -anything-, and he'll just go ON and ON and ON.
ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?*(!@&(*#&(!@*#
I think the most amazing part of this is the fact that there are people still using Livejournal.
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So how many people think this is just a very vocal self-rationalization for his rabid fear of misjudging a 'trap', the need to always be correct part of his autism, or just the special snowflake intellectual bit of his furriness to stay relevant?
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Conflating GR's transphobia with autism every other breath is getting pretty eyeroll worthy. Guy's just a fucker and a bigot.
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Bigots can't be puzzle piece children too? I suppose A-word now some kind of magical plot weapon we don't use unless we have to now.
Oh geez, did you guys even retcon it out of the topic title too?
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Nah, the change in topic title was my idea, someone rightly pointed out how shitty it was so I fixed it. GR's an asshole, but autism's got nothing to do with it.
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Nah, the change in topic title was my idea, someone rightly pointed out how shitty it was so I fixed it. GR's an asshole, but autism's got nothing to do with it.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were Tumblr all of a sudden.
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Don't make me split this thread.
Anyway, if you ever want GreenReaper to shut up and go away, hand him some 10BASE2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE2) connectors. Apparently, that represents a whole lot of wasted time to him (and not, say, 300-odd posts on the aforementioned LJ post).
Maybe I shouldn't have said that out loud. It might make the Ward Against Greenreaper less effective...