Do not hug - Insanekangaroo

[duckofdoom]

Hell I can point you in to a place he likes to hang out... you know for lulz

[Jim Demintia]

We don't generally do "raids" here but if there's interesting stuff that he says on a web forum board or whatever...sure, go ahead.

[a pigeon]

Insane Kangaroo settled on chose† one 'PandorasBox' as his lady companion, however he has kicked her out.

She alleged it was because 'I wouldnt do things with him':

Housemate flipped a gasket and kicked me out because I wouldnt do things with him. Stayed at a friends last night but he is bringing me back to the house today. Housemate told me to have my things out today so... I'll be on the streets tonight until i find a new place to stay...which will be a while considering there is no internet connection and i have no phone...

Not to mention I only know one said person other than housemate, and I know nothign about West Virginia at all...this'll be rough

Just updating people. I will still be doing the IronArtist things, I am sorry for the prolonging of them but atleast you didnt spend a shite load of money on them. I will still be doing them! It'll just need to wait for a connection to post them

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2618271/

He wrote a lengthier explanation alleging that it was because she wouldn't get a job, didn't clean up after herself, was an internet addict etc etc. Note that he had mentioned on his OKcupid being open to a relation where a woman exchanges 'Going on outdoor activities, home maker(basic stuff at home) and sex' for 'support' (my emphasis) without love being involved:

I took in PandorasBox since she was getting kicked out of the house. I drove overnight and back from Morgantown, WV to Cincinnati, OH. I did this all while orchestrating a move from Pittsburgh, PA to Morgantown, WV.

(I rented a car and paid for the gas - (75USD for Car + Insurance) (? for gas))
Before going to Ohio, Pandora told me about how she found a box of kittens, I was open to the idea and told her she needs to find a home for them on the ASAP. Anyway, I tell her about my dog along the way and she starts to pull a "I'm not going in the house because of your dog." I ask why and she states because of what I told her. My dog sometimes finds her own food in the wild. If she eats and brings something home, I'm not going to feed her that night. In Alaska she's had a wide range of ptarmigan to wild rabbit, mmm mmmm. Pandora thought that was nuts and malamutes, who have a high prey drive, shouldn't be eating wild animals.

(Bought a 7USD ice tea)
Anyway, we go that weekend to clean out my place, and somewhere along the way I snapped at her like a parent, she insists not to treat her like a child. So I start cleaning out my last place, Pandora sitting in the car, and she frequents in how she is hungry. After some whining, I say we're going to the Chinese buffet, she doesn't say anything against it even though she is against going to buffets(though I thought she meant places like Shoney's). We get to the buffet and she decides not to eat, has a piece of my chicken and she drinks her tea. Well because she didn't decide to tell the waitress she wasn't eating half way through the meal, I get stuck paying for her 7USD sweet tea. The manager cut the buffet price in half after I brought up the fact Pandora did not eat from the buffet, besides my piece of chicken.

(I spend 6.50~USD)
We go back to my old house in Pittsburgh and I go back to cleaning. I thought Pandora was going to help me out. The night was past 10 PM, then going towards 11 PM. Pandora frequently going in to me and stating in a childish whiny voice, "I wanna go home!" I told her we're going home when I get done, I'm not going back to the house in Pittsburgh because of the cost it takes to drive there. On the way home, I ask out of consideration if she'd like fast food, she confirms so I go to a 24 drive through at McDonalds and buy her a combo meal.

(4USD for Cat food)
So the filthy kittens she found already caused a fuss 4 days after she's been living with me, the Monday afterward she wanted to find somewhere else to live. One of the kittens died and I wasn't going to bury the kitten. If you take responsibility for a life, then you take responsibility for the death as well! (common sense) There were 3 kittens which were brought home. The one kitten which died did so from some type of infection, the animal bled from the rectum. Another one of the kittens started showing the same symptoms about 5 days later.

I told Pandora to take better care of them, to the shelter, or I'd kill the remaining kittens. She found the Mon County Canine Shelter(they take in cats too) so she asked me if I could take them. Well, this was decided on Thursday August 4th to take them to the shelter. She decided to head out for the weekend a couple of hours before I got home on Friday, so I had to take care of the kittens she brought home? o.0 The shelter was closed on the weekends even though she was told by someone the shelter was open on Saturday. I biked in heavy rain with a duct taped box with holes and a grocery bag around so the box would stay dry and biked 1.4 miles to the shelter.

How responsible to leave the mess from the kittens which includes cat shit, stagnant and molding food bowls, not thoroughly picking up a shattered bowl nor washing down the porch.

Since I know Pandora is jobless, I've been buying everything for her, including specialized shampoo to damage her over-bleached hair which was her fault for leaving the bleach in too long.

Cleaning up after oneself... ugh.

I'm going to make a collage of the trash and pans she left in my house. Room mates are supposed to pick up after themselves, not just leave dirty dishes and trash everywhere. She claimed to be "trapped" in my house, but didn't even want to walk the 100ft to the trash cans to place the trash in for the Wednesday garbage day. Instead she left the trash outside on my front and back porch where the raccoons scattered trash everywhere the day before. I haven't picked up the trash yet on the front porch since I'm going to take photos and make a collage, the scattered trash on the back, which happened yesterday I'll do the same.

I don't know what people expect, I'm not a maid nor do people pay me to pick up after their messes.

Smoking...
I can tolerate smokers, what I can not tolerate is people telling me "It's okay to smoke inside, I'm not a chain smoker." Which I bought her cigarettes too... We non-aggressively argued and I snatched the cigarette from her several times to go outside. She agreed to go outside from then on, and I only saw her smoking outside when I was home.

My dog had a couple of accidents, she was unable to clean up the accidents because, "I don't want to clean up my puke too"... That's part of animal care, and the kitten shit which is still all over my porch is the same. I don't know why she even bothered with the kittens if she can't take care of the inconvenient parts of animal care.

"The world does not revolve around you"

The world does not revolve around a person's every need nor want. Stop impulse buying and ordering food based on want. What is for dinner is what is for dinner. Stop acting like a child and saying, "I'm not hungry."

I love chicken, everyone knows this. I can't get enough chicken, I usually have dishes which have chicken as an ingredient. I've never seen a person act so childish low as a kid not eating their vegetables. Yet I tolerate such shenanigans since I'm a good person. Though like mentioned earlier, people can only be corrected and learn if they want to learn.

I made the mistake of getting the internet at home. She is an internet addict, staying up until 4am, sometimes going to bed when I'm getting up at 6am, sleeping until 2pm in the afternoon. I was trying to get her set up with a job, even though getting another car was my priority first. She has no drivers license, only an Ohio permit, so she's SOL in the long run unless someone helps her out. Though like I said, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

sex...
I made the mistake of having sex with another person without building a solid relationship, this was a mistake. It was only one time, and it was bad sex. Though I learned from the experience, she was also my 3rd which I've encountered on a sexual level. I should've backed off and rejected based on what was discussed in bed before having sex.  had my mind stuck in the gutter because I was curious on how sex would be with a rather large woman, I was fixated on the curiosity.

I can't just "have sex," which is probably why it was pretty bad sex to begin. I'm a person with his rituals, which is why I always refer to what I call sex... coitus. Don't just bend over and expect to get fucked, I will /never/ do that again. I don't want to be like many people who give their sexual encounters numbers like... #76, that's just sick and wrong. Coitus for me takes a few hours, starting with massage to talk, foreplay, teasing, sex, cuddling, massaging and talking.

She talked with me before the sex regarding my OKCupid article, specifically a section I wrote:
I'm open to all options and am aware there are women who get together with guys just to have someone who supports them, love not being required. If that's the case, read below.
What qualities and activities are required: Going on outdoor activities, home maker(basic stuff at home) and sex.

Be aware, I've zero experience with such relationships, I just know they exist through people who know my friends who have such an arrangement.

She was interested in the idea, but I was a little shocked since she read my OKC. I don't check the site every day or check the visitors page.

Yesterday I cut the internet off
After careful deliberation for a few days, I turned off the internet. I was talking to her on Skype, she asked me, "Are you kicking me out?" I replied, "no" and the internet disconnected while I was on the phone with Comcast. I instructed them to disconnect immediately, though I didn't think they meant that exact moment.

I got home and she asked me if I cut off the internet. I confirmed and she freaked out asking she was going to do commissions.
I told her this:
1) I'll drive you to a hotspot. Getting references and sending notes should only take 1-2 hours per day, if that.
2) Repeat every day for sending new art

Basically, what she was doing every day was watching Netflix every day, spending HOURS on social networks and using Skype at night until 7 A.M. Such behavior is unacceptable and she was angry I told her she has internet addiction. She claimed I turned off the net because she didn't want to have sex the night before. Then she started on how commissions are her method to earn a living, when she told me the amount she made per month was 100-200 per month. I told her she'll be getting a job and working full time to earn a living, making at least 1k a month, she freaked at the concept of being responsible and earning a living.

She started on how she was "trapped in my home," even though the doors are all unlocked and everything is in a mile of walking.I'm not sure what kids believe these days, but people do walk to places... I bike to work 2.5 miles one way. I plan on biking even after I get another car which I trust to drive.

Anyway, Pandora made about 6-7 phone calls seeing if someone could pick her up. Since I've rather good hearing, I heard everything she was saying outside and in her room... She was making ill references to me and calling me fucking crazy.

Yeah, I'm crazy for trying to make her be responsible. Like making her take care of the kittens which she brought home, making her clean up the trash which she didn't put in the trash cans(which she didn't do), making her wash her dishes and pans she used to cook food for herself(which she didn't do), and stop with the internet addiction(which she didn't do). She's online on OKCupid looking for the next guy to pick up. I didn't realize "playas" could also be women. My own friends who are in their 40s and 50s warned me when I took Pandora in, yet I didn't listen to them. Lesson learned.

http://insane-kangaroo.livejournal.com/82060.html
http://insane-kangaroo.livejournal.com/82194.html
http://insane-kangaroo.livejournal.com/82597.html

†Insane Kangaroo said to me:

I didn't 'settle' on Pandora btw. The plan was to have her in and out in a couple of months after getting her a solid job. The intent is still to find someone who can go on the outdoor activities.

Insane Kangaroo posts on lulz.net with the name of 'Scrooge McDuck', and in a thread about this incident he had a great comeback to someone who said 'IK reveals he's a shallow worthless man not suitable for any girl':

I make more money than you, poorfag.

http://lulz.net/furi/res/1690629.html

[Jim Demintia]

Dude's fucking autistic. Christ.

What does he do in Morgantown that's got him rolling in da bling, anyway? And saying you make more than a lulz.net poster (besides that general sentiment being in incredibly poor taste) is sort of like telling a highschool kid that you get to stay up all night if you want.

I really don't know what he could be doing that would make his income so much more impressive than "none" to warrant such a comment. I think he's just full of himself because he doesn't live with his parents anymore. For now, anyway.

[camellia sinensis]

IK is dangerously unhinged and no matter how much capital he does or does not have he will die alone.

[greaseyote]

I'm not too familiar with this guy but I'm kind of calling bullshit on him actually making any kind of good money. In the above post, he complains about shelling out a few bucks here and there to buy her crap and the way he talks about having his own house and getting a car, like that is somehow a big deal, doesn't jive with someone who has a lot of disposable income.

Either he's extremely stingy, has some mental disorder  or isn't actually rich, probably a combination of all three.

My guess is that he is probably qualified to do some high-tech work, but like a lot of furries, has a problem translating that to an actual, steady, high-paying job.

[Jim Demintia]

IK is dangerously unhinged and no matter how much capital he does or does not have he will die alone.

It's like he's going through the motions of being a human being capable of emotive relationships without actually understanding what the hell he's doing.

[Jim Demintia]

My guess is that he is probably qualified to do some high-tech work, but like a lot of furries, has a problem translating that to an actual, steady, high-paying job.

The sticking point is the actual education. Anyone can be qualified to do tech support type stuff (see: Piche, Sean) and in the job market now do reasonably well for themselves, but to do, say, actual software development or whatever you need a "real" education (BS or better). There's a million-and-one people out there who can join Windows XP to a domain, and eventually supply starts to outstrip demand, and that's when these jobs start to become less glamorous than they are now, if such a thing is possible.

[greaseyote]

I would have thought that the sticking point is social skills/anxiety/autism or whatever it is that 50% of furries seem to suffer from. I mean, you can be great at what you want to do and have the qualifications but if you can't make it through a job interview without fumbling and mumbling and making obscure video game/anime references you probably aren't going to get hired.

[Jim Demintia]

There is that but I think the lack of education is more universally endemic to furry. The higher-levels-of-education furry-booster claim has, in my experience, turned out to be one of there more hilariously-wrong claims (I'm looking at you, GR).

You get caught up in the furry culture of energy drinks, video games, and sleeping from 2am-3pm, and if you were in college at all in the first place, you end up dropping out real quick. Thank god I didn't get involved in the furry community much off line before I got my head about me and actually finished my education.

There are plenty of furries who are not social dorks who can't act professional. There are fewer furries qualified for "real" jobs who can act the part.

[GreenReaper]

I'm not sure what claims you're referring to, but when the average age of a furry fan is lower than the average age of a newly-minted graduate (it's been trending down throughout the last decade), there are bound to be plenty of "uneducated" furs around.

Back in 2000, the Internet was still a relatively geeky place. Fast-forward to today and furries are broadly representative of their age demographic. We have a bunch of people in low-level service jobs, trying to scrape together enough just to live anywhere but their parents' house, let alone go to college.

I don't know about 2AM-3PM, but I'd certainly sleep 4AM-1PM if I could. I do my best programming at night. You seem to be describing young people, though, not specifically furry people.

[Jim Demintia]

I look forward to seeing the statistically-valid surveys on which these claims are based.

[MazelTovCocktail]

I'm not too familiar with this guy but I'm kind of calling bullshit on him actually making any kind of good money. In the above post, he complains about shelling out a few bucks here and there to buy her crap and the way he talks about having his own house and getting a car, like that is somehow a big deal, doesn't jive with someone who has a lot of disposable income.

Either he's extremely stingy, has some mental disorder  or isn't actually rich, probably a combination of all three.

My guess is that he is probably qualified to do some high-tech work, but like a lot of furries, has a problem translating that to an actual, steady, high-paying job.

More than likely, it's a case of him making pretend money from pretending to be a cop.

[GreenReaper]

I look forward to seeing the statistically-valid surveys on which these claims are based.

Try this one for starters. Note that the average age would actually be much lower than 23 if it weren't restricted to 18-and-up.

[camellia sinensis]

Anyone with a basic knowledge of statistics knows that volunteer response surveys are as far away from "statistically valid" as you can get, just short of throwing darts. 

[ISleepNow]

Try this one for starters. Note that the average age would actually be much lower than 23 if it weren't restricted to 18-and-up.

Hm, I still have yet to see a single question asked about zoophilia in one of these things

[Jim Demintia]

I look forward to seeing the statistically-valid surveys on which these claims are based.

Try this one for starters. Note that the average age would actually be much lower than 23 if it weren't restricted to 18-and-up.

I assume you have a college education. Did your degree program require a stat class?

[Pi]

Or a psychology class. Can you say "cognitive bias"?

<1> Self-reported: people lie or fall victim to confirmation bias... volunteer: the above, plus you are inherently introducing a difference in your sample group (people who volunteer for things)  from the general population (a mix of people who volunteer and people who don't) which means you have a biased sample
<1> sometimes the only sample population you can get is completely self-selected though and even a randomly assigned sample set usually has a certain amount of self-selection before the random assignment... it doesn't completely invalidate results, it just means that any conclusions based on the results must be conservative and take the bias in the sample into account

Seeing as furry is already a self-selected group full of fantasy-prone hugboxy nerds, and the people who volunteer for things have an general bias towards "making the fandom look good", I wouldn't trust any of these survey results except as anything other than a case study in cognitive biases.

[Jim Demintia]

Yet sadly there's really no other way to do such a thing as a "furry survey". I've always thought real, accurate, defensible numbers would be...entertaining to say the least but there is pretty much no way to get such a data set.

You could mine social networks and stuff but that'd be hard to automate and you'd have to come up with some intelligence that would be able to pick out unique individuals in a world where almost no one gives their real name. Given time and observation it's possible to pick individuals out with some level of certainty, but that doesn't really help when you want to collect statistics about large groups...

Someone will figure that out some day. And it will promptly be purchased by Facebook or Google and the creator will be hired up by one of those guys and never heard from again.

In the meantime, pretty much anything halfway defensible that's said about furries comes from informal observation. Which is not very defensible at all. Yet it's less ridiculous than GR or anyone else who relies on these "furry surveys" to make any kind of point.

[camellia sinensis]

It goes both ways, though. Taking bad examples from the fandom and painting them as the norm is also an exercise in making disingenuous assertions.