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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2010, 09:54:59 am »
That and here's the thing: If you did this to say, a major social networking site in large enough quantity (i.e. millions of users), or did a far more serious breach on a retail site (credit card numbers, etc.), they'd lock you up, throw away the key and then throw away the room.

But such a small number of users on a two-bit cartoon porno site? The FBI has got to have better things to do (although stranger things have happened).
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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2010, 10:28:09 am »
Dragoneer says more things about Mobianfox and confirms that he has not contacted the FBI (per the claim on lulz):

Quote from: dragoneer on furrydrama_2
I remember when the issue came down there was a lot of fuss over him and Java. There was some evidence against Java, but I recall the state they lived in had no laws against that. The issues for Mobius/Fennec handed over to me on the forums and other issues were all for comments he left on other pictures and things described in comments, which WERE borderline.

But when it came up at the time, there was no evidence, just a call /for/ people to go out and find information on him.

I had not gotten information since. And even then, I have issued warnings out to other members of FA to drop that shit off the site (which I told him as well).

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ehg okay then. im not gonna push you around about it. thanks for the answer at least

not related but did you contact the FBI? someone on lulz (under a proxy i think considering the file uploaded with the post is screwed up) said so but its hard to take anything from lulz seriously lol

Quote from: Dragoneer
No, not yet. We're still trying to figure out what we can do -- if we can do anything. I know some people who specialize in this kinda stuff, so I'll as them, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

More concerned about cleaning this up on FA.

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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2010, 11:06:31 am »
I still don't know why he keeps giving furrydrama_2 this kind of information first over everything else. I guess at least he's updating -someone- about all of this and it makes him fairly easy to contact (he almost always responds to me on there for whatever reason), but I wish he'd give his entire damn site the news rather than a select group of people in a closed community.

There are a lot of people on furaffinity that -still- don't know the sites been screwed with. Making a journal about it on your page is not enough, Neer. Not everyone watches you!
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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2010, 11:29:11 am »
I still don't know why he keeps giving furrydrama_2 this kind of information first over everything else.

Might be because Teahound, the maintainer of Furrydrama_2, once said they'd be OK with making Dragoneer a co-admin of the community & asked him if there was any way of cross-refefrencing IP adresses between FD_2 and FA, so they could ban people from FD_2 who'd been acting up on FA, I can understand why they'd want to do that, but sharing IP adresses like that seems a bit off, although at least nothing seemed to come of it. I suppose the upshot of that sort of thing is that Dragoneer feels he has a sympathetic space there and only a relatively small amount of people (vs. in public) can respond. Teahound also once said they'd keep a "close eye" on me(!) in response to Dragoneer sending them a note about me >:(

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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2010, 11:31:23 am »
Quote from: dragoneer on furrydrama_2
I remember when the issue came down there was a lot of fuss over him and Java. There was some evidence against Java, but I recall the state they lived in had no laws against that. The issues for Mobius/Fennec handed over to me on the forums and other issues were all for comments he left on other pictures and things described in comments, which WERE borderline.

But when it came up at the time, there was no evidence, just a call /for/ people to go out and find information on him.

I had not gotten information since. And even then, I have issued warnings out to other members of FA to drop that shit off the site (which I told him as well).

You know what?

FUCK you. Stop playing the victim. Stop playing stupid. The info was out there from Day. Mother. Fucking. One. And on the drama communities you love to read so much, even. Do you have the slightest motherfucking clue how hard it is to get an animal abuse case prosecuted? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a beastiality case prosecuted? Here's a clue, motherfucker.

They tend to make the national news for a REASON.

I'm not buying this shit, and neither should anyone else. He's just like Zaush - manipulative, abusive, cowardly and rotten to the motherfucking core.
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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2010, 11:34:52 am »
Frankly it's amazing the amount of raw sewage Piche and friends drowned themselves in.

His posting to FD2 (to say nothing with his involvement with WYS) is something you Do Not Do when you run a site like FA; you have to have a hands-off approach. Enforce the rules, make sure the rules are documented, don't get involved in major flamewars, and only move fast to get rid of people if they break rules, cause enough problems to completely disrupt the site, or violate state/federal law.
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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2010, 11:41:07 am »

Might be because Teahound, the maintainer of Furrydrama_2, once said they'd be OK with making Dragoneer a co-admin of the community & asked him if there was any way of cross-refefrencing IP adresses between FD_2 and FA, so they could ban people from FD_2 who'd been acting up on FA, I can understand why they'd want to do that, but sharing IP adresses like that seems a bit off, although at least nothing seemed to come of it. I suppose the upshot of that sort of thing is that Dragoneer feels he has a sympathetic space there and only a relatively small amount of people (vs. in public) can respond. Teahound also once said they'd keep a "close eye" on me(!) in response to Dragoneer sending them a note about me >:(

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Whoa what the. As far as my knowledge of livejournal communities goes, you really can't do an IP search on your members. You can turn IP logging on but if the member never comments, you can't get an IP. What use would "IP cross-referencing" be if the member has never posted? I can understand what they want to do but I really don't get it.

I wouldn't be okay with him being a co-admin of any FA-snark related community in the first place. He has his own site to deal with, let alone livejournal communities full of spastics who think they're really fuckin' hip with the internet by posting their popcorn.gif and screeching WHITE-KNIGHT U MAD BUTTHURT every time someone disagrees with a popular opinion.

How funny! I also had Dragoneer say he was "keeping an eye on me" in his notes, due to my "involvement with wtf_fa", though that was a few years back when I upset someone dearly with the  8) emote.
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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2010, 12:11:41 pm »
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Please tell me that avatar is a Photoshop.

I got bored last night. Here's the full version.

Quote from: Dragoneer
No, not yet. We're still trying to figure out what we can do -- if we can do anything. I know some people who specialize in this kinda stuff, so I'll as them, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

More concerned about cleaning this up on FA.

Bill: Hi, Sean!
Sean: Hey, Bill! Hey I was wondering if I could ask you about something?
Bill: Sure! what's up?
Sean: The other night someone hacked into my website!!!  :-[
Bill: Oh? How'd they get in?
Sean: An admin used an unsecure password! Then they exploited a XSS vulnerability!
Bill: Oh man! How long were those there? It's amazing what a hacker can find out even though a feature has been online only a few hours.
Sean: ...Since, uh, since the site was started.
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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2010, 12:21:39 pm »
There are a lot of people on furaffinity that -still- don't know the sites been screwed with.

In my opinion it gets back to this whole "don't wanna know" attitude furries have. They know the site's poor management is the stuff of legend, they know the code is swiss-cheese, but they are so emotionally invested in it (for whatever reason) that they pretty much filter out anything bad anyone says. They don't want to think about it. They'd have to reconsider their blind allegiance to Dragoneer otherwise.

It was extremely disheartening to see, a good 24-48 hours after this story was *well* established here, my Twitter list suddenly seemingly collectively realized something was up. And even then, a lot of the comments were like "Why would someone want to hack FA? People put a lot of hard work into that site." (Okay, that one's coming from memory, it may not have been that bad, but most of the reactions were far from what you'd expect from someone level-headed and clear-eyed. Granted, given the comical delay it may be that many of them were not yet fully aware of the extent of what had happened.)
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That's...actually kind of awesome, even if I don't get any of the references.
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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2010, 01:43:56 pm »
In my opinion it gets back to this whole "don't wanna know" attitude furries have. They know the site's poor management is the stuff of legend, they know the code is swiss-cheese, but they are so emotionally invested in it (for whatever reason) that they pretty much filter out anything bad anyone says. They don't want to think about it. They'd have to reconsider their blind allegiance to Dragoneer otherwise.

Kinda like what's going on in his newest journal where he says he's "not going anywhere"?

"Were all furries we gotta stick together furry pride let's get those damn dirty trolls and those evil hackers dragoneer is the best"

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« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2010, 02:40:07 pm »
Oh man, that journal.

I wonder what the story is behind that. In other words, why does he feel the need to state he's "not going anywhere"?

On the other hand, the sycophantic comments are, well, sickening. And it seems like there's no temporal sense to the "we'll have an explanation posted soon" thing. He's been saying that for a while now (right?), and all that's really happened is he's been hanging out on fd_2 (with a largely sympathetic crowd, natch) and leaking out bits and pieces of information as they bubble to the top of his brain and straight out his mouth.

I think he thinks he has to write a big long winded, comprehensive post about this from beginning to end and what they'll do next and all that. That's work. So he's probably procrastinating, something I'd imagine he does very well.
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« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2010, 02:55:34 pm »
In my opinion it gets back to this whole "don't wanna know" attitude furries have. They know the site's poor management is the stuff of legend, they know the code is swiss-cheese, but they are so emotionally invested in it (for whatever reason) that they pretty much filter out anything bad anyone says. They don't want to think about it. They'd have to reconsider their blind allegiance to Dragoneer otherwise.

Kinda like what's going on in his newest journal where he says he's "not going anywhere"?

"Were all furries we gotta stick together furry pride let's get those damn dirty trolls and those evil hackers dragoneer is the best"

Again, why does it have to be in journal? Why can't there be an admin notice bar saying something like "Currently cleaning up the mess, expect a full explanation on x date"? Is it so the people who are completely and utterly clueless to this entire event ONLY see his "full explanation" journal and see it as their king fighting off the hackers for his kingdom, and not as a huge fucking catastrophe? That is the only reasoning I can see behind this.
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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2010, 03:56:29 pm »
Is it so the people who are completely and utterly clueless to this entire event ONLY see his "full explanation" journal and see it as their king fighting off the hackers for his kingdom, and not as a huge fucking catastrophe? That is the only reasoning I can see behind this.

Seems to be exactly the case from how he's spinning it:

Quote from: Dragoneer
You just do. You deal with it because you have to. You don't fold, bend, and people are going to hate you. They will despise you. They'll misinterpret what you say and take your comments out of context, not knowing the backstory, conversations or other information available.

And they'll go with it, gossip, make rumors.

But you have to look at the entire thing. All of it, and look at how much good comes from the entire site.

DeviantArt just went through something very similar. It's unfortunate, and it sucks, but you carry on.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1954737/#cid:16224999

Funny he talks about how people don't know the back-stories, since thanks to the note leaks they do! anyhow, it's not as if anyone is taking anything out of context. It's all his own words and actions or lack thereof. However, he is a strong man who doesn't fold or bend like an envelope or something.

Verix had this to say:

Quote from: Verix
Dragoneer has proven himself to be an indecisive doormat manager and has refused to actually introspectively analyze why there's such a large group of people who are angry at him. he's decided to spin everything around, portraying himself as a strong-willed character fighting off the trolls, fending off the dissidents and overall "protecting you" from those "evil hackers."

in the months to come, you're not going to want to be on FurAffinity anymore. you're going to want to be on another site. you'll see. :)

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1955097/

IIRC, Verix found code problems and security holes in FA, about two or three years ago, and was working with the FA staff then. He certainly once had his own little forum on the FA forums (only visible to himself and mods/admins I think) where he could communicate with staff about coding stuff.

Is it possible that when Verix is saying such things, there is more to it than the usual sounding off by any random person....?

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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2010, 04:34:43 pm »
I'm disappointed that Dragoneer's Journals have been unable to crash FA like Chewfox's did.

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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2010, 04:47:03 pm »
I'm disappointed that Dragoneer's Journals have been unable to crash FA like Chewfox's did.

They definitely won't now, since he's just deleted them, except for the "I'm still here" one!

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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2010, 04:55:29 pm »
IIRC, Verix found code problems and security holes in FA, about two or three years ago, and was working with the FA staff then. He certainly once had his own little forum on the FA forums (only visible to himself and mods/admins I think) where he could communicate with staff about coding stuff.

Is it possible that when Verix is saying such things, there is more to it than the usual sounding off by any random person....?

Verix, Eevee, nrr, myself, cryptodragon... Hell, even Henri Watson, the 13-year-old kid, have all had some form of contact with Dragoneer regarding these issues.

Whoever did this kind of just proved all of us right. Of course Dragoneer has to end up sweeping this under the rug again. It's the only way he knows.
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« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2010, 05:23:48 pm »

Verix, Eevee, nrr, myself, cryptodragon... Hell, even Henri Watson, the 13-year-old kid, have all had some form of contact with Dragoneer regarding these issues.

Whoever did this kind of just proved all of us right. Of course Dragoneer has to end up sweeping this under the rug again. It's the only way he knows.

Wow. At least a half dozen people telling him whats wrong and how to fix it for years, and this is the result.

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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2010, 05:37:50 pm »
In the leaked notes, there are apparently copies of resumes. Honest-to-god resumes. I don't know if they're any good, or what, but he has had people trying to throw themselves at this thing for a while. I imagine that if we were to ask Dragoneer, he'd say something about how they aren't people he could ~trust~. 'least, that's the excuse that was used on me.

Yak's generally prevailing attitude is "we need to get a secure environment before we can fix our security". Net-cat doesn't seem to have the first clue about the topic. Nobody else I can think of over there can code their way out of a wet paper bag.
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« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2010, 06:15:26 pm »
I asked Verix, on his journal, about that special forum he had and his finding of bugs and exploits etc and this was his response:

Quote from: Verix
yeah. I used it to detail to them-- in a long, arduous, and detailed post-- how I completely and utterly owned the website. not only did I run away with the entire database (including private notes-- even back then, it was possible to read everyone's notes on FA!), but I also gained access to about 14,000 peoples' accounts because of an extremely weak password hashing algorithm Jheryn implemented. that's how I ran a bunch of password statistics on the site-- turns out the most popular password on FA is "dragon"!

I'm tired of playing nice with him. he doesn't want to be a responsible or even an honest manager? fine, fuck him. I'm going to take his toys away from him.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1955097/#cid:16234074

This was about three years ago that happened IIRC. So yeah, more wood for the "Busloads of people telling him what's wrong and how to fix it" fire.

Whoever did this kind of just proved all of us right. Of course Dragoneer has to end up sweeping this under the rug again. It's the only way he knows.

Very much so I guess.  Although at least thanks to the archiving thng, here are Dragoneers two deleted journals, "The Zaush incident":

http://fifteen10.com/saves/journals/1952576/2010-12-19T15:38:11-05:00.html

And, The event:

http://fifteen10.com/saves/journals/1952230/2010-12-19T04:56:16-05:00.html

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Re: OFFICIAL FURILEAKS THREAD
« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2010, 07:18:12 pm »
In the leaked notes, there are apparently copies of resumes. Honest-to-god resumes. I don't know if they're any good, or what, but he has had people trying to throw themselves at this thing for a while. I imagine that if we were to ask Dragoneer, he'd say something about how they aren't people he could ~trust~. 'least, that's the excuse that was used on me.

Yak's generally prevailing attitude is "we need to get a secure environment before we can fix our security". Net-cat doesn't seem to have the first clue about the topic. Nobody else I can think of over there can code their way out of a wet paper bag.


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