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Daggers and Spears and Songs => FA Obsession Collection => Topic started by: rodox_video on December 18, 2010, 12:19:38 am
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Well, I guess we can all start by officially calling for Dragoneer's resignation. As retarded as that sounds. Because god fucking DAMN (http://lulz.net/furi/res/1383251.html).
The genie's out of the bottle. An admin account has been compromised (http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,432.0.html) and the PMs of several key users and administrators are out there. The PM dump for Dragoneer alone is FIFTY MEGABYTES IN SIZE. There's a mountain of Very Bad Shit in there. People will be poring over it for weeks if not months if not years.
The stuff that is coming out is jaw-dropping. Absolutely jaw-dropping. There WILL be real-world consequences for this and they will NOT be pretty.
I honestly don't give a shit about the person who did this because it was going to happen sooner or later. FA set itself up as a big fucking target (http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,370.0.html) and the blame for that goes DIRECTLY on the shoulders of Princess Piche and the company he keeps.
As furry scandals go this is pretty bad. Probably the worst in a very, very long time. The amount of trust that was put into the site is absolutely heartbreaking. FA is done. History. There is no coming back from this.
And you know what? Good. Motherfucking. Riddance.
FUCK You, Sean Piche. You rapist-defending, zoophile-sheltering (http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,263.msg3863.html#msg3863) piece of SHIT. People trusted you with some very personal, highly important things. We all put SOME level of trust in you to keep things fucking competent enough to stop an obvious attack like this, and you have FAILED MISERABLY.
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Dragoneer's behavior shown in the notes goes from just being a concieted douche to fucking criminal territory, what with going HEY DON'T WARN OTHER LADIES ABOUT THIS RAPIST, IT MIGHT COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU WINK WINK and WATCH OUT THE ANTIZOOCREW IS AFTER YOU, BETTER DELETE YOUR INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE WINK WINK.
Christ almighty, I wrote him off after he wouldn't stop defending 2gryphon's victim shaming to me, but this takes the cake. I've got no sympathy for the man, and the fact that he hasn't addressed the community at all re: the leaks and hacking is atrocious. He needs to step down. He won't, mind, but he really needs to.
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You know, after absorbing this stuff all day, I really can't think of much to say.
Sean Piche, you were warned something of this magnitude would happen. You were told what needed to be done. Your incompetence is the sole reason what happened today happened. Don't blame Lulz, don't blame Gawker, don't blame anyone except yourself. This is beyond "We all make mistakes! We're only human!". I see you're blaming today's hack on someone getting into an admin's email account. Let me guess, you have ten fucking servers but don't bother to give the staff "official" email addresses? Email addresses you can lock down, force password changes, and simply hide the fucking login so people can't find it? No, making people check two email addresses is too hard, let's let everyone use their Gmail. I run a site with a fraction of a fraction fewer users than FA and every one of my staff gets an official email that they use for everything site-related.
You act without thinking. You think without acting. You've been in charge of this site for nearly 5 years and every single project you came up with in your first year of being in charge is still in development. The new UI was announced in 2007 and was supposed to be out "this summer" after being promised for last Christmas. Still nothing. You refuse to even produce another screenshot of it. All you do is show off the concept art. Ferrox has been in varying stages of development since 2006 and is currently dead. Gallery folders, printing on demand, filters... all projects YOU promised years ago and Inkbunny finally followed through on. And instead of stopping and wondering why your competition is able to do all the things you can't, you resort to petty name calling.
If it hasn't become painfully obvious yet, you need to expand the development staff. I can read your notes and see qualified people sent you their fucking resume with their real life contact information on it and you brush it aside and leave it up to Yak (how's that working out for you, anyways?) to add staff (something he obviously isn't going to do, ever) or hide behind the paper-thin excuse of "We don't want /b/ getting their hands on the code!". When you have people giving you their goddamn resume, they're not out to troll you.
You shouldn't be running FurAffinity. You don't deserve to run FurAffinity after what was released today. But you'll stay, because you think that what you do is somehow good for the "community". The community that you take advantage of on a regular basis. The community you're "protecting" every time you don't do something like put banner ads for non-furry things on the site or add premium features yet you don't give a damn when presented with evidence showing said community's personal data is in jeopardy. The community that cares so much about FurAffinity that they barely donate enough every month to cover the massive hosting bills. Hosting bills that are high because you refuse to invest in the site outside of buying more hardware for it.
FurAffinity will never be successful with you in charge. It will remain where it is, the broken shopping cart with the squeaky wheel that always wants to go left. And it will remain there until the community has had enough and goes off to join other sites, while you sit there struggling to keep the light on and keep yourself relevant in the fandom.
Playtime is over. Playtime has been over. FurAffinity is a business and if you don't want to run a business and just want to play IT guy then hand the site over to someone who knows business.
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I honestly don't give a shit about the person who did this because it was going to happen sooner or later.
Maybe you don't, maybe no one here does, but SilverAutomatic or someone similarly retarded (maybe on fd_2) is going to form a posse and (right or -- more likely -- wrong) find someone to accuse in 3...2...
That said though I hope whoever did this is smart enough to keep their mouth(s) shut, because right now the right people are twisting in the wind and the last thing we need is to get the Great Furry Distraction Machine going.
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On a Zaush note, he's denying everything (http://i53.tinypic.com/2enszue.jpg) and claiming that it was a "classic" case of a girl "getting what she wants" and then putting "a fictional victim spin" on it. I saw some people suggest that he was a sociopath, in response to the leaked note to dragoneer about him, and seeing his response on twitter makes me think perhaps there is something to that.
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So he's back with Keovi? Man, someone needs to get that girl some psychological help.
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/2enszue.jpg)
The man is finished. And he's too full of himself to realize it.
How DARE he.
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So he's back with Keovi?
Not AFAIK. I think he was alleging in the tweets that he has only engaged in monogamous relationships since Keovi broke up with him. Someone posted this shout (now scrolled off his page) on Zaush's FA page:
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2vanvc1.jpg)
On reading that, my suspicion is that he's been doing this sort of thing for some time, but people have been afraid/refused to speak out about it. God knows what his "other secret" is. :-/
In the last half hour or so, I've noticed a rash of journals starting to appear now on FA, which are relating various variations on the subject of private notes having been leaked and people deleting their own notes. There is some confusion it seems since the admins have all gone to ground and not made any official announcements. Allegedly Dragoneer is in hiding (as it were) at the moment. Only one FA admin has posted anything about this, chase: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1949852/ and he says nothing of substance there. Just boilerplate "we'll get things working again soon honest!"
Dragoneer's public stance, at the moment, is that he stands by everything he's done. Seems disingenous to me, since no one has ever asked or expected him to be perfect, but rather to not let things like this happen. It will be interesting to see if he explains himself re such things as mobianfox/java or if he just stonewalls.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2ih82nd.jpg)
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Edit, 3 posts from lulz.net. I have no idea of their veracity of course:
Supposedly canis-lupus-gratis is a dogfucker himself, so it would probably be that Wan has practiced/is practicing bestiality.
I never heard anything about that, but I think about eight months ago somebody cross referenced a bestiality website's list of usernames with FA usernames, and zaush came up.
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Yeah, we kind of realized that you're not perfect, Sean Piche. But this is a pretty big and pretty inexcusable fuckup. "I'm only human" is not a very good excuse.
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By the way, was it ever established that the Gawker hack had absolutely anything to do with what happened here or is that just speculation?
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(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7407/selection001e.png)
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A lot of the fun of Dragoneer's notes is just the random idiots that want to talk to him
(http://zzt.belsambar.net/dr_dos/img/dragoneerdream.gif)
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A lot of the fun of Dragoneer's notes is just the random idiots that want to talk to him
And that he's sad enough to actually reply. Seriously, dude, if there isn't anything to say, don't say it.
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New leaks! Pinkuh (http://filesmelt.com/dl/Pinkuh.rar) and Zaush (http://filesmelt.com/dl/Zaush.rar)!
Already I notice in Pinkuh's notes, a classic "admins not communicating" moment (or perhaps "Pinkuh is smarter than Dragoneer")
Please be aware that hosting Raffles on this website is a violation of Virginia state law.
This is a violation of the TOS and your journal will be removed.
Dragoneer always cites some Pennsylvania law because he's under the belief that Pennsylvania law affects his servers in Virginia.
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(http://i55.tinypic.com/k27mg.jpg)
(Was in response to someone asking if staff were locked out of the site)
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How do you audit something you don't have?
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Dragoneer always cites some Pennsylvania law because he's under the belief that Pennsylvania law affects his servers in Virginia.
Wat. He lives in the DC area right? So...does he think because he was born there...? He isn't really that dumb, is he?
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Dragoneer always cites some Pennsylvania law because he's under the belief that Pennsylvania law affects his servers in Virginia.
Wat. He lives in the DC area right? So...does he think because he was born there...? He isn't really that dumb, is he?
Ferrox Art, LLC is incorporated in Pennsylvania and uses his parent's house as its address (I think this has something to do with when he was in Kyrgyzstan). Now while he might need a gambling license to hold raffles, there's nothing PA can do if end users are holding raffles the legal way in Virginia. Which from what I've read, you can do granted you give out your personal information and a way to enter the contest for free, among other things.
I might be wrong, though.
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On a Zaush note, he's denying everything (http://i53.tinypic.com/2enszue.jpg) and claiming that it was a "classic" case of a girl "getting what she wants" and then putting "a fictional victim spin" on it. I saw some people suggest that he was a sociopath, in response to the leaked note to dragoneer about him, and seeing his response on twitter makes me think perhaps there is something to that.
Agreed. The whole "getting what she wants" is absolute rapist speak, like almost comically so. His response sounds like something from an SVU script. I'd heard rumors of Zaush being a douchebag from friends before but never delved into why.
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On a Zaush note, he's denying everything (http://i53.tinypic.com/2enszue.jpg) and claiming that it was a "classic" case of a girl "getting what she wants" and then putting "a fictional victim spin" on it. I saw some people suggest that he was a sociopath, in response to the leaked note to dragoneer about him, and seeing his response on twitter makes me think perhaps there is something to that.
Agreed. The whole "getting what she wants" is absolute rapist speak, like almost comically so. His response sounds like something from an SVU script. I'd heard rumors of Zaush being a douchebag from friends before but never delved into why.
The other part of it is his massive ego, which also probably ties in to why he thinks every woman on the planet wants (or should want) to fornicate with him.
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I'm so glad I was rejected when I tried to return as an administrator years ago. So glad I don't have to deal with this shit. So... so glad.
Now, if Dragoneer resigns and another is made to take the reigns, someone with not only experience in running a popular website but one with an actual sense of security and humor, I would love to come back. I've been wanting to help come up with a new design to replace the years old crap that they've been running, which was my original intention of joining the administration team when FA was getting started.
I'm hoping this is more of a rebirth of the website, of FurAffinity, into something actually usable and fun.
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Now he says something:
By now we pretty much know what happened. There was a multi-stage attack on FA and an admin account got compromised. The entire story is fairly complex, and we'll be posting details about the entire event soon.
We regret that this happened, but are working to ensure that it doesn't happen again, and that we treat this responsibly and professionally.
Question: is FA secure?
Answer? Yes.
The accounts that got compromised was two admin accounts. **Our database WAS NOT hacked, no user passwords were given out**, and the worst issues involved notes from site staff being leaked out (mostly on the admin side) and other confidential information. So the only people primarily affected were site staff, along with a few other individuals were hit, but the damage was relatively minor overall.
We regret that this ever happened.
We've resolved the issues on our side that lead up to this, and are continuing to examine the logs and review what happened to ensure a safe cleanup. We're pulling people in for extra security, and will be reviewing the issues.
Again, we'll post up a full explanation of what happened once we are doing reviewing the logs, as this was a fairly elaborate attack. But I must stress what happened to FA was not specifically an "FA flaw", or something necessarily wrong with the site. What happened to us could happen to any site, anywhere, as it involved a bit of social engineering and some well played cards.
The staff are as committed to the site as we've ever been, and this is by no means going to lesson our commitment to the community.
NOTE: I had initially posted that I had felt this may have been related to the events at Gawker Media. While several accounts on FA were attacked because of the leaks on Gawker, it was NOT related in the end.
My apologies on that.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952132/
(http://i52.tinypic.com/1ysrkg.jpg)
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What happened to us could happen to any site, anywhere, as it involved a bit of social engineering and some well played cards.
Yeah okay then.
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That's exactly the kind of inaccurate non-answer that he so loves.
They've been successfully exploited twice in the span of a week. I don't think that really qualifies as "secure".
They've also experienced a massive data-loss incident. That REALLY disqualifies them from being secure.
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A person who was targeted by Zaush states that Zaush tried the "exact same shit" on her:
http://i52.tinypic.com/250m1jp.jpg
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If no user or passwords were stolen, how'd they get onto the forums?
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Dragoneer deleted the previous journal and posted this new one:
Deleted the previous journal - I apparently did not have the full update on the back end.
The long and the short of it - yes, we we hacked. Yes, we have everything under control, and we are currently figuring out the extent of the damage. So far we know that 41 people (including admins) had their notes leaked, and some people had their galleries deleted; the latter we can restore. We will post more updated once we have more information and are able to further review the security logs.
My apologies if mis-spoke in the previous journal. I admit my error.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952230/
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Zaush is now saying that we'd all be sorry if he died:
http://i51.tinypic.com/2niv478.png
It's merely people "targeting" him. Utterly oblivious. No one else's feelings exist except his.
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Hmm, that sounds familiar (http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,432.msg3903.html#msg3903)
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Dragoneer's opinion about Zaush:
What he did was not illegal, and I did not feel it was rape. Did he pressure? Yes, but the person said no and did the respectful thing and stood their ground. And I respect that.
But what Zaush did was NOT rape. Still, it's completely understandable for them not to feel comfortable by his actions, feel they were pushing the limit. And this has happened to a few people, but rape? I see no evidence of rape.
I told her if she felt comfortable in doing so to voice her opinion, but that she'd expect to be countered unless she had some people to back her up or had similar experiences.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952230/#cid:16202235
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The Zaush thing seems to be what people care about more, i.e. anyone hoping that the fandom would finally turn on Dragoneer and FA is probably going to be disappointed (again). I don't honestly give a fuck what his opinion is, because he has no business having an opinion on this. He's only giving one because he thinks people care because he's popular. And sadly, people do care. The only reason he's involved in this at all is because that girl made an amazingly misguided decision to seek out the advice of a man who has no useful wisdom to share.
I am left to wonder if the fandom isn't already internalizing and rationalizing all of this, so that they can return to their state of willful ignorance regarding the malice, criminal behavior, and staggering incompetence of its most popular figures.
Zaush's myopia and ego are rather amazing for their utter obviousness. I wonder if he even expects anyone to believe he'd off himself.
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The Zaush thing seems to be what people care about more, i.e. anyone hoping that the fandom would finally turn on Dragoneer and FA is probably going to be disappointed (again). I don't honestly give a fuck what his opinion is, because he has no business having an opinion on this.
I reckon many people are going to turn on Dragoneer because of his response to Ferality and the double standards revealed.
My thinking about it, is that Dragoneer gave Mobianfox and Java a heads up and protection, but to Ferality he offered nothing. He simply said the same sort of thing Zaush might have said: "you will have to risk reputation damage and backlash if you say anything" which is a very strong encouragement to keep her quiet. It was well within his power to let Ferality be able to repeat the facts of the matter, in a journal, so that people could be warned, and to prevent any drama (at least on FA) by keeping a very tight lid on all responses, but he did not offer this.
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Edit:
Here is an example of this, these comments being posted in reply to Dragoneer's: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952230/#cid:16202235
...I've tried for a long time to respect you, but I really no longer can.
If you don't see that as rape, I am highly suspect of your judgement. As well as being highly disgusted.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952230/#cid:16203445
^Agreed
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952230/#cid:16203445
This is the most stupid, and retard statement I have ever heard. I guess with zaush being one of your favorite artists, you just had to suck on a dick and say this.
Way to dig your grave a mile deep.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952230/#cid:16203730
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The Zaush thing seems to be what people care about more, i.e. anyone hoping that the fandom would finally turn on Dragoneer and FA is probably going to be disappointed (again). I don't honestly give a fuck what his opinion is, because he has no business having an opinion on this.
I reckon many people are going to turn on Dragoneer because of his response to Ferality and the double standards revealed.
It'd be awesome; I hope they do. I hope I'm wrong. But you know what they say; the past is the best predictor of the future. Except when it isn't.
Let's hope this is one of those times.
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It'd be awesome; I hope they do. I hope I'm wrong. But you know what they say; the past is the best predictor of the future. Except when it isn't.
Well, to clarify, I think that "many" people will turn on Dragoneer, but whether it will be enough to force any lasting changes I don't know. And as you said, I'm sure many people will try to rationalize this all away or simply ignore it.
Also, I note that Dragoneer said on furrydrama_2 that his own girlfriend, Sciggles, had told him that Zaush tried the same thing on her that he tried on Ferality:
I tried to clarify that, but I doubt it will matter at this point. When I told Sciggles of this, I left out names... and she mentioned that Zaush tried to do something like this to even her. But she mentioned when she said no, despite him keeping asking and insisting, he backed off.
So I can't verify it on every instance, but I didn't agree with Zaush and the accusations concerned me. I just didn't want her getting burned.
His own girlfriend is waving red-flags about Zaush (asking and insisting over and over, even if eventually backing off, is a pretty big red flag I think) and yet he still suggests that Ferality keep quiet and does nothing. Just like with FA's security and so many people waving red flags over that. Both the Zaush issue and the data loss come back to the same source it seems.
Edit:
Dragoneer has now posted another journal, about the Zaush issue:
Per my previous journal, I wanted to make a clarification:
I didn't support Zaush in the accusations. I supported Ferality, and wanted her to make an informed decision on the matter, and be aware of the issues that would go against both sides.
Nothing more.
I mis-spoke in the last journal regarding my comments on the situation (as you an imagine, I am under a bit of stress). Forcing yourself upon somebody who does not want it is not kosher. I mis-spoke on the issue, and was not trying to belittle the issue whatsoever. I wanted her to make the best decision she could on the matter, and as I recalled she had said no and backed down from the situation, removing herself from it (which was the smart thing to do). That's what I was referring to, not the scenario.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952576/
Note he says that "as I recalled she had said no and backed down", he wasn't even aware that Zaush did coerce her into sex(!). He didn't even (re?) check the leaked note before opening his mouth. Acts without thinking strikes again.
Dragoneer did you ever consider that maybe you acted badly in permitting a glaring security oversight to allow this information to become public and that defending what you actually said is missing the point entirely??
(i mean not that you didn't say some awful things)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952576/#cid:16205528
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Ferality makes a comment on 'neers journal:
Hey guys, Dragoneer has stayed in contact with me through this. I wanted to post my thoughts.
First and foremost, I am going to seek counseling on this issue and learn about what steps to take from there. I've received a lot of information that suggests that I am not alone in my experiences.
I shouldn't have gone to Dragoneer (or anyone on the internet) about this, but rather I should have talked to someone with the legal knowledge and authority necessary to guide me. I know this sensitive information has affected others than myself, and for this mistake I apologize profusely.
I didn't feel like Dragoneer sided with anyone. I didn't feel like he was trying to tell me to keep quiet and protect Zaush. Dragoneer knew things could get ugly for me if I had simply posted a journal accusing Zaush, and wanted me to be mindful of my decision on this regard. I appreciate his input even though I do not agree with everything he said about the situation.
Seems to me that it's Dragoneer's fault that the sensitive information got out tho', 'cause he ignored the warnings and didn't fix things.
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Dragoneer continues to backtrack re: the Zaush situation, and states that he missed the entire paragraph where the actual sex part happened. Either he's lying out of his ass to make himself look like less of a sleaze or he's a huge fucking idiot.
Either way, good GOD this guy :/
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Sciggles, Witchiebunny, seux, and tsawolf.
http://filesmelt.com/dl/Sciggles.rar
http://filesmelt.com/dl/Witchiebunny.rar
http://filesmelt.com/dl/seux.7z
http://filesmelt.com/dl/tsawolf.rar
Yours is done, as I mentioned in my journal the other day I don't have a scanner with me so I have to wait to scan everyones right now till after I move on the 17th
This probably explains why Dragoneer has been MIA the last two days.
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So apparently, to find something even close to comparable to this whole shitpile you have to go all the way the fuck back to the 90s. The story I've heard says that FurryMUCK was rooted and the MASTER LOG leaked out. Everything that was happening everywhere in the game during a given period, be it admin commands or typefucking, got out.
I'd love to hear some more about this, if only to pass the time between bombshells here.
In other historical discussions, the only furry leader who probably has bigger skeletons in his closet is Uncle Kage. Only difference is that HIS skeletons are airgapped.
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By the way, was it ever established that the Gawker hack had absolutely anything to do with what happened here or is that just speculation?
The initial breach came from the Gawker password database, yes. Then the entire house of cards fell.
The later attacks, the ones that resulted in all of the PMs leaking, used slightly less obvious methods (http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Top_10_2007).
Although this whole mess is tenuously connected with the Gawker break-in (the investigation of which recently went federal (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/12/14/businessinsider-fbi-meeting-with-gawker-tomorrow-2010-12.DTL) for some odd reason), there's pretty much no possibility of an actual criminal investigation here. Or at least, the possibility is so remote that the party involved in the FA breach pretty much considers it zero.
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Please tell me that avatar is a Photoshop.
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More people now speaking out about Zaush, a friend of Keovi here:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2pts048.jpg
http://bridgeportcat.livejournal.com/96818.html?thread=707122#t707122
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FA admin Witchiebunny, mostly notable for her verbal aggression towards people, leaking news of cub-porn ban early, posting someones private notes on furrydrama_2 and general incompetency and unpleasantness, breaks the rules for her friends:
http://i51.tinypic.com/15e7jt2.jpg
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A post I saw on lulz:
>If they wanted any real change, this wouldn't have been leaked to us, please use some common sense.
Actually this is pretty much the single most damaging action they could have done, and they did it.
Anything technical attack--no matter the breadth--would have been fixed within a couple weeks with a restore, and everybody would have moved on and forgotten as FA history has already shown.
Releasing private notes is permanent damage to 1) the reputations of high-ranking artists, which are the most valued site asset by the administration and a lot of the userbase, 2) public trust, 3) the very core of Dragoneer's admin "abilities", and 4) probably tons more (I'm tired). Instead of exploiting all the technical flaws like common script kiddies, they've shown the disastrous consequences of these flaws and of the admin team's incredibly careless reactionary policy towards these flaws.
This is an event people are going to remember and associate with FA negatively on all fronts. This is the single most damaging event in FA history. Whether it happens or not, there couldn't possibly be a better catalyst for change.
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Meanwhile, in Dragoneer land:
It's a serious issues, yes, but a top in the bucket. I regret that it was 41 users, and I'd regret if it were just 4. But with 80,000+ regulars... it's tragic and unfortunate, but not as bad as it could have been.
Edit, more:
I knew he was into the art, of which there is a LOT of that on FA. I had no evidence he had done anything in real life or anything else, but given how the communities react...
It wasn't Gawker so much. I was wrong on that. It wasn't any one admin being careless with their password, and it was far more complex than that. It was quite a few other details involved, of which we'll share when this shit storm is over.
Correct. We were trying to analyze and pinpoint point of entry, and were actively reviewing admin logs to find where it was. When we closed it the first time we did shut down a major exploit (XSS via trouble ticket) and proceeded to close up holes. Then some other issues happened, some of them not /on/ FA at all.
Yep, he's still giving out more information/updating first on a closed live-journal community than anywhere where the user-base of FA can easily see it.
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A post on lulz.net alleged that Dragoneer has reported this incident to the FBI. Dunno of veracity.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have adequate logging in place such that there could be any useful formal investigation.
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That and here's the thing: If you did this to say, a major social networking site in large enough quantity (i.e. millions of users), or did a far more serious breach on a retail site (credit card numbers, etc.), they'd lock you up, throw away the key and then throw away the room.
But such a small number of users on a two-bit cartoon porno site? The FBI has got to have better things to do (although stranger things have happened).
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Dragoneer says more things about Mobianfox and confirms that he has not contacted the FBI (per the claim on lulz):
I remember when the issue came down there was a lot of fuss over him and Java. There was some evidence against Java, but I recall the state they lived in had no laws against that. The issues for Mobius/Fennec handed over to me on the forums and other issues were all for comments he left on other pictures and things described in comments, which WERE borderline.
But when it came up at the time, there was no evidence, just a call /for/ people to go out and find information on him.
I had not gotten information since. And even then, I have issued warnings out to other members of FA to drop that shit off the site (which I told him as well).
ehg okay then. im not gonna push you around about it. thanks for the answer at least
not related but did you contact the FBI? someone on lulz (under a proxy i think considering the file uploaded with the post is screwed up) said so but its hard to take anything from lulz seriously lol
No, not yet. We're still trying to figure out what we can do -- if we can do anything. I know some people who specialize in this kinda stuff, so I'll as them, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.
More concerned about cleaning this up on FA.
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I still don't know why he keeps giving furrydrama_2 this kind of information first over everything else. I guess at least he's updating -someone- about all of this and it makes him fairly easy to contact (he almost always responds to me on there for whatever reason), but I wish he'd give his entire damn site the news rather than a select group of people in a closed community.
There are a lot of people on furaffinity that -still- don't know the sites been screwed with. Making a journal about it on your page is not enough, Neer. Not everyone watches you!
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I still don't know why he keeps giving furrydrama_2 this kind of information first over everything else.
Might be because Teahound, the maintainer of Furrydrama_2, once said they'd be OK with making Dragoneer a co-admin of the community & asked him if there was any way of cross-refefrencing IP adresses between FD_2 and FA, so they could ban people from FD_2 who'd been acting up on FA, I can understand why they'd want to do that, but sharing IP adresses like that seems a bit off, although at least nothing seemed to come of it. I suppose the upshot of that sort of thing is that Dragoneer feels he has a sympathetic space there and only a relatively small amount of people (vs. in public) can respond. Teahound also once said they'd keep a "close eye" on me(!) in response to Dragoneer sending them a note about me >:(
http://i56.tinypic.com/295u3hy.jpg
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I remember when the issue came down there was a lot of fuss over him and Java. There was some evidence against Java, but I recall the state they lived in had no laws against that. The issues for Mobius/Fennec handed over to me on the forums and other issues were all for comments he left on other pictures and things described in comments, which WERE borderline.
But when it came up at the time, there was no evidence, just a call /for/ people to go out and find information on him.
I had not gotten information since. And even then, I have issued warnings out to other members of FA to drop that shit off the site (which I told him as well).
You know what?
FUCK you. Stop playing the victim. Stop playing stupid. The info was out there from Day. Mother. Fucking. One. And on the drama communities you love to read so much, even. Do you have the slightest motherfucking clue how hard it is to get an animal abuse case prosecuted? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a beastiality case prosecuted? Here's a clue, motherfucker.
They tend to make the national news for a REASON.
I'm not buying this shit, and neither should anyone else. He's just like Zaush - manipulative, abusive, cowardly and rotten to the motherfucking core.
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Frankly it's amazing the amount of raw sewage Piche and friends drowned themselves in.
His posting to FD2 (to say nothing with his involvement with WYS) is something you Do Not Do when you run a site like FA; you have to have a hands-off approach. Enforce the rules, make sure the rules are documented, don't get involved in major flamewars, and only move fast to get rid of people if they break rules, cause enough problems to completely disrupt the site, or violate state/federal law.
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Might be because Teahound, the maintainer of Furrydrama_2, once said they'd be OK with making Dragoneer a co-admin of the community & asked him if there was any way of cross-refefrencing IP adresses between FD_2 and FA, so they could ban people from FD_2 who'd been acting up on FA, I can understand why they'd want to do that, but sharing IP adresses like that seems a bit off, although at least nothing seemed to come of it. I suppose the upshot of that sort of thing is that Dragoneer feels he has a sympathetic space there and only a relatively small amount of people (vs. in public) can respond. Teahound also once said they'd keep a "close eye" on me(!) in response to Dragoneer sending them a note about me >:(
http://i56.tinypic.com/295u3hy.jpg
Whoa what the. As far as my knowledge of livejournal communities goes, you really can't do an IP search on your members. You can turn IP logging on but if the member never comments, you can't get an IP. What use would "IP cross-referencing" be if the member has never posted? I can understand what they want to do but I really don't get it.
I wouldn't be okay with him being a co-admin of any FA-snark related community in the first place. He has his own site to deal with, let alone livejournal communities full of spastics who think they're really fuckin' hip with the internet by posting their popcorn.gif and screeching WHITE-KNIGHT U MAD BUTTHURT every time someone disagrees with a popular opinion.
How funny! I also had Dragoneer say he was "keeping an eye on me" in his notes, due to my "involvement with wtf_fa", though that was a few years back when I upset someone dearly with the 8) emote.
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Please tell me that avatar is a Photoshop.
I got bored last night. Here's the full version (http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2080/whiteknightsp.jpg).
No, not yet. We're still trying to figure out what we can do -- if we can do anything. I know some people who specialize in this kinda stuff, so I'll as them, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.
More concerned about cleaning this up on FA.
Bill: Hi, Sean!
Sean: Hey, Bill! Hey I was wondering if I could ask you about something?
Bill: Sure! what's up?
Sean: The other night someone hacked into my website!!! :-[
Bill: Oh? How'd they get in?
Sean: An admin used an unsecure password! Then they exploited a XSS vulnerability!
Bill: Oh man! How long were those there? It's amazing what a hacker can find out even though a feature has been online only a few hours.
Sean: ...Since, uh, since the site was started.
Bill: ಠ_ಠ
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There are a lot of people on furaffinity that -still- don't know the sites been screwed with.
In my opinion it gets back to this whole "don't wanna know" attitude furries have. They know the site's poor management is the stuff of legend, they know the code is swiss-cheese, but they are so emotionally invested in it (for whatever reason) that they pretty much filter out anything bad anyone says. They don't want to think about it. They'd have to reconsider their blind allegiance to Dragoneer otherwise.
It was extremely disheartening to see, a good 24-48 hours after this story was *well* established here, my Twitter list suddenly seemingly collectively realized something was up. And even then, a lot of the comments were like "Why would someone want to hack FA? People put a lot of hard work into that site." (Okay, that one's coming from memory, it may not have been that bad, but most of the reactions were far from what you'd expect from someone level-headed and clear-eyed. Granted, given the comical delay it may be that many of them were not yet fully aware of the extent of what had happened.)
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Please tell me that avatar is a Photoshop.
I got bored last night. Here's the full version (http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2080/whiteknightsp.jpg).
That's...actually kind of awesome, even if I don't get any of the references.
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In my opinion it gets back to this whole "don't wanna know" attitude furries have. They know the site's poor management is the stuff of legend, they know the code is swiss-cheese, but they are so emotionally invested in it (for whatever reason) that they pretty much filter out anything bad anyone says. They don't want to think about it. They'd have to reconsider their blind allegiance to Dragoneer otherwise.
Kinda like what's going on in his newest journal (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1954737/) where he says he's "not going anywhere"?
"Were all furries we gotta stick together furry pride let's get those damn dirty trolls and those evil hackers dragoneer is the best"
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Oh man, that journal.
I wonder what the story is behind that. In other words, why does he feel the need to state he's "not going anywhere"?
On the other hand, the sycophantic comments are, well, sickening. And it seems like there's no temporal sense to the "we'll have an explanation posted soon" thing. He's been saying that for a while now (right?), and all that's really happened is he's been hanging out on fd_2 (with a largely sympathetic crowd, natch) and leaking out bits and pieces of information as they bubble to the top of his brain and straight out his mouth.
I think he thinks he has to write a big long winded, comprehensive post about this from beginning to end and what they'll do next and all that. That's work. So he's probably procrastinating, something I'd imagine he does very well.
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In my opinion it gets back to this whole "don't wanna know" attitude furries have. They know the site's poor management is the stuff of legend, they know the code is swiss-cheese, but they are so emotionally invested in it (for whatever reason) that they pretty much filter out anything bad anyone says. They don't want to think about it. They'd have to reconsider their blind allegiance to Dragoneer otherwise.
Kinda like what's going on in his newest journal (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1954737/) where he says he's "not going anywhere"?
"Were all furries we gotta stick together furry pride let's get those damn dirty trolls and those evil hackers dragoneer is the best"
Again, why does it have to be in journal? Why can't there be an admin notice bar saying something like "Currently cleaning up the mess, expect a full explanation on x date"? Is it so the people who are completely and utterly clueless to this entire event ONLY see his "full explanation" journal and see it as their king fighting off the hackers for his kingdom, and not as a huge fucking catastrophe? That is the only reasoning I can see behind this.
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Is it so the people who are completely and utterly clueless to this entire event ONLY see his "full explanation" journal and see it as their king fighting off the hackers for his kingdom, and not as a huge fucking catastrophe? That is the only reasoning I can see behind this.
Seems to be exactly the case from how he's spinning it:
You just do. You deal with it because you have to. You don't fold, bend, and people are going to hate you. They will despise you. They'll misinterpret what you say and take your comments out of context, not knowing the backstory, conversations or other information available.
And they'll go with it, gossip, make rumors.
But you have to look at the entire thing. All of it, and look at how much good comes from the entire site.
DeviantArt just went through something very similar. It's unfortunate, and it sucks, but you carry on.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1954737/#cid:16224999
Funny he talks about how people don't know the back-stories, since thanks to the note leaks they do! anyhow, it's not as if anyone is taking anything out of context. It's all his own words and actions or lack thereof. However, he is a strong man who doesn't fold or bend like an envelope or something.
Verix had this to say:
Dragoneer has proven himself to be an indecisive doormat manager and has refused to actually introspectively analyze why there's such a large group of people who are angry at him. he's decided to spin everything around, portraying himself as a strong-willed character fighting off the trolls, fending off the dissidents and overall "protecting you" from those "evil hackers."
in the months to come, you're not going to want to be on FurAffinity anymore. you're going to want to be on another site. you'll see. :)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1955097/
IIRC, Verix found code problems and security holes in FA, about two or three years ago, and was working with the FA staff then. He certainly once had his own little forum on the FA forums (only visible to himself and mods/admins I think) where he could communicate with staff about coding stuff.
Is it possible that when Verix is saying such things, there is more to it than the usual sounding off by any random person....?
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I'm disappointed that Dragoneer's Journals have been unable to crash FA like Chewfox's did.
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I'm disappointed that Dragoneer's Journals have been unable to crash FA like Chewfox's did.
They definitely won't now, since he's just deleted them, except for the "I'm still here" one!
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IIRC, Verix found code problems and security holes in FA, about two or three years ago, and was working with the FA staff then. He certainly once had his own little forum on the FA forums (only visible to himself and mods/admins I think) where he could communicate with staff about coding stuff.
Is it possible that when Verix is saying such things, there is more to it than the usual sounding off by any random person....?
Verix, Eevee, nrr, myself, cryptodragon... Hell, even Henri Watson, the 13-year-old kid, have all had some form of contact with Dragoneer regarding these issues.
Whoever did this kind of just proved all of us right. Of course Dragoneer has to end up sweeping this under the rug again. It's the only way he knows.
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Verix, Eevee, nrr, myself, cryptodragon... Hell, even Henri Watson, the 13-year-old kid, have all had some form of contact with Dragoneer regarding these issues.
Whoever did this kind of just proved all of us right. Of course Dragoneer has to end up sweeping this under the rug again. It's the only way he knows.
Wow. At least a half dozen people telling him whats wrong and how to fix it for years, and this is the result.
Welp.
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In the leaked notes, there are apparently copies of resumes. Honest-to-god resumes. I don't know if they're any good, or what, but he has had people trying to throw themselves at this thing for a while. I imagine that if we were to ask Dragoneer, he'd say something about how they aren't people he could ~trust~. 'least, that's the excuse that was used on me.
Yak's generally prevailing attitude is "we need to get a secure environment before we can fix our security". Net-cat doesn't seem to have the first clue about the topic. Nobody else I can think of over there can code their way out of a wet paper bag.
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I asked Verix, on his journal, about that special forum he had and his finding of bugs and exploits etc and this was his response:
yeah. I used it to detail to them-- in a long, arduous, and detailed post-- how I completely and utterly owned the website. not only did I run away with the entire database (including private notes-- even back then, it was possible to read everyone's notes on FA!), but I also gained access to about 14,000 peoples' accounts because of an extremely weak password hashing algorithm Jheryn implemented. that's how I ran a bunch of password statistics on the site-- turns out the most popular password on FA is "dragon"!
I'm tired of playing nice with him. he doesn't want to be a responsible or even an honest manager? fine, fuck him. I'm going to take his toys away from him.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1955097/#cid:16234074
This was about three years ago that happened IIRC. So yeah, more wood for the "Busloads of people telling him what's wrong and how to fix it" fire.
Whoever did this kind of just proved all of us right. Of course Dragoneer has to end up sweeping this under the rug again. It's the only way he knows.
Very much so I guess. Although at least thanks to the archiving thng, here are Dragoneers two deleted journals, "The Zaush incident":
http://fifteen10.com/saves/journals/1952576/2010-12-19T15:38:11-05:00.html
And, The event:
http://fifteen10.com/saves/journals/1952230/2010-12-19T04:56:16-05:00.html
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In the leaked notes, there are apparently copies of resumes. Honest-to-god resumes. I don't know if they're any good, or what, but he has had people trying to throw themselves at this thing for a while. I imagine that if we were to ask Dragoneer, he'd say something about how they aren't people he could ~trust~. 'least, that's the excuse that was used on me.
Yak's generally prevailing attitude is "we need to get a secure environment before we can fix our security". Net-cat doesn't seem to have the first clue about the topic. Nobody else I can think of over there can code their way out of a wet paper bag.
(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/248/20101219205322.png)
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2482/20101219205952.png).
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5612/20101219205906.png)
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3237/20101219211601.png)
Those are just some I found so far. God knows how many more offers came through email...
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Got this from verix's journal before the site cocked up again.
(19:43:39) anokorok: I got banned today telling users of various exploits in the site when the admins were saying it was secure
(19:44:03) dracoverix: hahahaha
(19:44:13) dracoverix: that figures
(19:45:02) anokorok: Other people were banned too, and the notice there use to be when an admin hid a comment is now gone
(19:45:22) dracoverix: ahahaha
(19:45:52) dracoverix: this is pretty much par for the course
(19:46:28) dracoverix: what did you show people? a bunch of xss?
(19:46:36) dracoverix: cause if you got banned for showing people xss I'm gonna lol harder
(19:46:43) anokorok: Yes
(19:46:46) dracoverix: aaaaaahahaha
(19:47:28) anokorok: When Dragoneer posted The Event journal saying it was safe, I posted XSS on it using the URL tag in the comments
(19:47:51) dracoverix: haha nice
(19:47:52) anokorok: 5 minutes later they disabled bbcode and deleted the journal
(19:51:26) dracoverix: that's just amazing
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In the last half hour or so, I've noticed a rash of journals starting to appear now on FA, which are relating various variations on the subject of private notes having been leaked and people deleting their own notes. There is some confusion it seems since the admins have all gone to ground and not made any official announcements. Allegedly Dragoneer is in hiding (as it were) at the moment. Only one FA admin has posted anything about this, chase: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1949852/ and he says nothing of substance there. Just boilerplate "we'll get things working again soon honest!"
That one's deleted, too. Is there ANY staff there who isn't a total and deceitful loser? No one say Damaratus, because he quit a week after the AlertPay debacle. Actually, this must be getting InkBunny or SoFurry a huge influx of new people. Sure, the cub porn people would have left for those places, or at least have dual membership, but now this. The security issues that have been laid so bare to us, AND the questionable correspondences Dragoneer and staff, are going to drive away a lot of non-cub people. I'm watching all this unfold with great eagerness and amusement.
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That one's deleted, too. Is there ANY staff there who isn't a total and deceitful loser? No one say Damaratus, because he quit a week after the AlertPay debacle.
Forgive me, but who the fuck are you?
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That one's deleted, too. Is there ANY staff there who isn't a total and deceitful loser? No one say Damaratus, because he quit a week after the AlertPay debacle. Actually, this must be getting InkBunny or SoFurry a huge influx of new people. Sure, the cub porn people would have left for those places, or at least have dual membership, but now this. The security issues that have been laid so bare to us, AND the questionable correspondences Dragoneer and staff, are going to drive away a lot of non-cub people. I'm watching all this unfold with great eagerness and amusement.
Surgat is a fine admin from my experience but I wouldn't say that for the rest of their staff team. I've also never seen Damaratus be an outright prick or idiot so theres really no reason to shame someone for quitting (especially this site). And Inkbunny is currently down fyi because of hardware problems.
I think most people are just heading to deviantART.
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Forgive me, but who the fuck are you?
The worst username to show up here since 'KimcheeScentedAirFreshener' is who he is.
I think most people are just heading to deviantART.
Didn't DA have some big anti-furry-art crackdown? I thought that was half the reason people flocked to FA in the first place.
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Forgive me, but who the fuck are you?
I'm someone with a very uncreative name who wanted to inject myself into the drama. Nice to meet you, I guess.
Surgat is a fine admin from my experience but I wouldn't say that for the rest of their staff team. I've also never seen Damaratus be an outright prick or idiot so theres really no reason to shame someone for quitting (especially this site). And Inkbunny is currently down fyi because of hardware problems.
I think most people are just heading to deviantART.
They don't allow porn. How many non-porn furries could there be?
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Didn't DA have some big anti-furry-art crackdown? I thought that was half the reason people flocked to FA in the first place.
Honestly, I've heard about that but I never saw it. I think the reason people started spouting that bullshit is because the only "anti-furry" thing I recall them ever doing was not allowing the anthro category to show up in the "Today's Popular" section, which has long since changed.
From what I understand (correct me if I'm wrong, as I didn't join FA until early 2007) is that a lot of the people that flocked to FA were from SheezyArt when they stopped allowing smut and then a lot of folk flocked from Y!Gallery when they did ban furry art from there, which again has long since changed.
They don't allow porn. How many non-porn furries could there be?
A lot.
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(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/7519/twitl.png)
This calls for the quote from the FALeaks archive page:
Hi, FBI? Someone hacked into my porn website and is harassing pedophiles and rapists by leaking their notes!
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How many notes thereabouts were taken from the site and posted? Were ones that were trashed and deleted from the trashed folder retrievable, or are those gone for good? I would have started looking for more goodies myself in the files, but there's just so much data.
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TO-DO LIST
✔ Post on Dragoneer's shoutbox
✔ Post on Dragoneer's journal
✔ Troll
✔ Get administrator to comment my shoutbox
✔ Sleep
It was fun. You can ban me for good now.
P.S. I suggest having numeric values for artist types and moods and such, so users can't inject whatever they want into them.
Welp.
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Gotten from dramawhore SilverAutomatic's journal, which is: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1957744/ The sentence of note is:
As someone who had their information leaked due to the FA hack, I just also want to say that I don't blame FA, nor it's staff for this incident. Shit happens, and it's my own fault for putting that information online in the first place. Though, truth be told - that information was also readily available to anyone who just simply /asked/ for it.
Am I the only one who really, really hopes someone breaks in again and makes his life miserable for another few days? I mean, is he blind, or a propagandist? I wonder if he's under Dragoneer's desk right now... It's frightening he's a cop in RL.
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AFAIK the hack never went quite that deep.
One of our tech admins was *watching* him in real time as he was hacking the site one of the nights, and I didn't see anything in there regarding the root or MYSQL. I'll go ahead and talk with yak again, but I'm 99.9999% sure that that's not a problem.
what
why would you
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AFAIK the hack never went quite that deep.
One of our tech admins was *watching* him in real time as he was hacking the site one of the nights, and I didn't see anything in there regarding the root or MYSQL. I'll go ahead and talk with yak again, but I'm 99.9999% sure that that's not a problem.
what
why would you
AAAAAAAAARGH
Whaaaaaa? Screenshot before deletion, please.
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AFAIK the hack never went quite that deep.
One of our tech admins was *watching* him in real time as he was hacking the site one of the nights, and I didn't see anything in there regarding the root or MYSQL. I'll go ahead and talk with yak again, but I'm 99.9999% sure that that's not a problem.
what
why would you
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Whaaaaaa? Screenshot before deletion, please.
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8836/witchiewhaaat.png)
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No image for my reaction when reading Witchie's comment.
I couldn't care less about your reaction. I just want evidence preserved. And, thank you, Fiz. I'd like to see her squirm out of her admission now. I mean, I'm pretty un-tech savvy, but, is it usual and accepted protocol to 'watch' a hacker do stuff like this AS HE DOES IT? This is, like... Well, what Conan said.
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What the FUCK is it with people who have no idea what they're talking about, admit that they don't know what's going on, then proceed to act authoritative on the subject?
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Whaaaaaa? Screenshot before deletion, please.
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8836/witchiewhaaat.png)
You know, I know jack shit about site security but even I know that this is not how you do things
Utterly. Fucking. Flabbergasted.
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I couldn't care less about your reaction. I just want evidence preserved. And, thank you, Fiz. I'd like to see her squirm out of her admission now. I mean, I'm pretty un-tech savvy, but, is it usual and accepted protocol to 'watch' a hacker do stuff like this AS HE DOES IT? This is, like... Well, what Conan said.
I don't feel like screencapping this shit so forgive me.
I can't explain why our admins made the decisions they did regarding whether or not to shut down the site, except to say that they did what they felt was in the best interests of FA to stop the hack and secure it, and as I'm NOT a tech admin I don't feel exactly qualified to question their judgment or decisions, and I discourage anyone else who isn't qualified from doing so as well.
I'm posting here as a courtesy, not as our official announcement, trying to address what I can. Please do not confuse my comments here for any type of official FA response.
This wasn't like we watched the initial hack happen and did nothing, this was after we realized that we hadn't gotten all the holes. AFAIK, the reason why he was being watched was so that his methods could be discovered and the holes patched based on where he went and how he got in. When he started going beyond admin accounts, (i.e into the general users accouts) the tech admin began to take action to block his access and the attack stopped very quickly thereafter.
Also, the forums are handled by a different admin, who made the decision to pull the forums on his own, and as he hosts them we didn't question it.
Again, I'm not making any kind of official response, and tbh this is the first time I've spoken up/made myself visible since this happened BECAUSE I didn't want to be mistaken for any kind of official response. Our official response IS still coming. All I'm really here to do is to speak up regarding the fact that we HAVE made changes, security wise, and to handle issues that have otherwise fallen through the cracks.
Fair enough?
[...] As to the tech/coding aspect of things, and why they did what they did again, I'm not a tech admin, and not qualified to judge, so I don't. [...]
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When he started going beyond admin accounts, (i.e into the general users accouts) the tech admin began to take action to block his access and the attack stopped very quickly thereafter.
I suppose that's why we have the notes from
Allan
Arcturus
AuroraBorelia
Betawolf
Clayton
Fisk
Sciggles
Seux
Silverautomatic
Synwolf
TORA
Zaush
and apparently more that are so far unreleased.
Yeah okay Witchie.
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When he started going beyond admin accounts, (i.e into the general users accouts) the tech admin began to take action to block his access and the attack stopped very quickly thereafter.
I suppose that's why we have the notes from
Allan
Arcturus
AuroraBorelia
Betawolf
Clayton
Fisk
Sciggles
Seux
Silverautomatic
Synwolf
TORA
Zaush
and apparently more that are so far unreleased.
Yeah okay Witchie.
Excellent point, Conan. Actually, I can understand all the other names but Fisk (Jay Naylor, right?). I know of the other names from them being in high positions, extremely well known, are trolls, or attract drama. But, I don't know about Jay Naylor. What's with him? And, haha, Silver's defending Dragoneer. What a joke. Also, who is Seux?
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But, I don't know about Jay Naylor. What's with him? Also, who is Seux?
How did you find your way here again?
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How did you find your way here again?
Let's just say I like to read about the moral and philosophical failings of the fandom, and I was drawn to here a few weeks ago. I found the info and screenshots and testimony here quite useful more often than not. I thought I looked through all the threads, but, forgive me if I missed a name or two. I was really compelled to register and post after this, though. I think we can both agree on the fact Dragoneer is a fool who shouldn't even be dog catcher, much less a site owner of 100k or so people.
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If a burglar was breaking into your house, would you sound the alarm and ward him off, or would you sit and wait so you could see how many holes in your security system he could reveal... Only to realize it was too late and he started raping your family?
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If a burglar was breaking into your house, would you sound the alarm and ward him off, or would you sit and wait so you could see how many holes in your security system he could reveal... Only to realize it was too late and he started raping your family?
Some furries get off on rape, unfortunately. Even cub rape.
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If a burglar was breaking into your house, would you sound the alarm and ward him off, or would you sit and wait so you could see how many holes in your security system he could reveal... Only to realize it was too late and he started raping your family?
Some furries get off on rape, unfortunately. Even cub rape.
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Is Witchiebunny one of those "tech admins"? What exactly does she do beside repeatedly inserting her foot into her mouth?
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Is Witchiebunny one of those "tech admins"?
Haha, that's just silly. Everyone knows women don't understand technology.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
You're posting an awful lot without actually saying anything worthwhile. Shut up.
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Is Witchiebunny one of those "tech admins"? What exactly does she do beside repeatedly inserting her foot into her mouth?
No. Now shes annoyed because she thinks that her statements are being used against her or are taking it out of context.
For Goodness's sake.
This happened AFTER the notes had been stolen in the initial hack, and once the hacker attempted to move out of the admin accounts he was blocked and driven out.
Seriously, you just have to cause drama wherever you go, don't you? Hasn't this been beaten to death?
Someone then asked her what she expected with such a vague statement.
A request for clarification before shitstirring perhaps?
But then I suppose that's too much to expect.
Seriously, I come here so that your voices can, oh I don't know, be heard among the admin team, and to give you what information I can so that you're not left out and so that you know that *someone* is listening to you all here, and trying to help.
And if this is the thanks I'm going to continuously get for doing so, then I'll just drop FD_2 and commence radio silence from here on out.
I don't understand what there was to clarify. She said she's not a tech admin so she doesn't know that side of things, so what she said seemed pretty solid. I thought that was pretty clear.
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This happened AFTER the notes had been stolen in the initial hack, and once the hacker attempted to move out of the admin accounts he was blocked and driven out.
Then why were so many other accounts fucked with?
also, where on earth is this even acceptable? THE ADMIN ACCOUNTS ARE THE LAST PLACE YOU WANT HACKERS TO BE.
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Then why were so many other accounts fucked with?
also, where on earth is this even acceptable? THE ADMIN ACCOUNTS ARE THE LAST PLACE YOU WANT HACKERS TO BE.
If what I got from this is clear. It seems that on Thursday when FA was attacked and briefly went offline for them to 'fix' it, the guy took the notes THEN. After this, the FA admins had NO IDEA and just went 'It was Gawker. We wern't hacked. Everything's cool guys!'. Only the next day did attacks resume and notes get released.
But that's assuming what Witchie said was accurate. She coulda lied, could have misunderstood, could have been bullshitted by the other admins.
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The timestamps on the note dumps are all Saturday. Could easily be doctored, but I seriously doubt anyone would bother. (Could use the notes themselves to figure out when they were taken, but with the relative timestamps I can't be assed.)
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The timestamps on the note dumps are all Saturday. Could easily be doctored, but I seriously doubt anyone would bother. (Could use the notes themselves to figure out when they were taken, but with the relative timestamps I can't be assed.)
So basically the notes were most likely not taken on the initial hack on Thursday, as Witchie reported.
This is disheartening. It's now very likely that if they hadn't stood back and watched, none of the notes would have been leaked. WELP.
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Very tiny sidenote:
I wrote an LJ about this the first night it came out (friday? I don't evem remember) and apparently it made the drama rounds or something and I've been hounded by all sorts of people (most pretty cool, a couple are idiots) and one of them kept insisting that I needed to rewrite what I wrote because it was too inflammatory or whatnot. I told him no, and today he is IRKED
tybronmephitis: I see from the shitstorm's continued reliance on your single inflammatory post that my suggestion to edit it down for tone should've been taken >.<
tybronmephitis: People keep reading it then jumping to conclusions, and despite people like me and of course the FA admins doing extensive damage control it's still really stupid on the FA journals
I have no idea who this guy is but...but do I need to watch my step?
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tybronmephitis: I see from the shitstorm's continued reliance on your single inflammatory post that my suggestion to edit it down for tone should've been taken >.<
tybronmephitis: People keep reading it then jumping to conclusions, and despite people like me and of course the FA admins doing extensive damage control it's still really stupid on the FA journals
well obviously this means you need to link vivisector :)
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tybronmephitis: I see from the shitstorm's continued reliance on your single inflammatory post that my suggestion to edit it down for tone should've been taken >.<
tybronmephitis: People keep reading it then jumping to conclusions, and despite people like me and of course the FA admins doing extensive damage control it's still really stupid on the FA journals
I have no idea who this guy is but...but do I need to watch my step?
He's an outed SAFur who is completely idiotic and harmless. Username is Crazy Dastard on SA.
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Round up of related submissions:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4969338/
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NSFW, got a smile from me
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4965339/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4964377/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4965169/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4959336/
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Would prob. be more accurate if 'neer cut his own hand off & then his foot and ate them both
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4969251/
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Ugh.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4963368/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4970832/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4970669/
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Probably not, since I read they're doing a security audit
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4959626/
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AFAIK, no one doing that sort of thing has has had their own notes, or their "dox" leaked... yet
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4960878/
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Stupid argument
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4958140
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part 1
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4958144
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part 2
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4957990/
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So it seems that right now the FA forums are being restored and moved to a new server (I don't know why they need yet another server, or maybe they're using an existing one). I'm guessing that the reason the forums were down so long was to contain the resulting shitstorm over the whole affair to somewhere more manageable like Dragoneer's journals where they could be pruned by deletion, instead of a free-for-all on the forums. Maybe they thought that if they kept the forums offline for long enough, the hurricane of drama and suckitude would have died down. Hell, just the Chewfox ordeal brought the site to it's knees. This affair would have knocked out the power grid in the state where they're hosted.
If they could harness furry drama as energy, it'd beat fusion hands down. Just imagine the power of all those flabby hot-dog fingers furiously banging away on keyboards.
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So it seems that right now the FA forums are being restored and moved to a new server (I don't know why they need yet another server, or maybe they're using an existing one). I'm guessing that the reason the forums were down so long was to contain the resulting shitstorm over the whole affair
My personal cynical take (ie, may be complete bullshit) on the matter is that the forums were down because they wanted to ensure the admin forums are secure against any more leaks (http://clanspum.net/~pi/85752-Witchie-s-unofficial-guide-to-trouble-tickets.htm), therefore they took them down to audit all the users with admin privileges.
(ps, the linked thread is amazing. Why is this conversation taking place? "here's a thing! it should go on the wiki!" "i agree, the wiki!" "yeah, this should go on the wiki!" "everyone, post this as a journal until this goes on the wiki!"... How about you just, y'know, put the content on the fucking wiki?)
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So it seems that right now the FA forums are being restored and moved to a new server (I don't know why they need yet another server, or maybe they're using an existing one.
The forums were (and according to tracert, still are) hosted off-site, in order to ensure they stay online in case of another FA catastrophe (see "broken fiber-optic line" from last year).
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Why is this conversation taking place? "here's a thing! it should go on the wiki!" "i agree, the wiki!" "yeah, this should go on the wiki!" "everyone, post this as a journal until this goes on the wiki!"... How about you just, y'know, put the content on the fucking wiki?
You can't edit the wiki without an account. There are currently five users (http://wiki.furaffinity.net/Special:ListUsers), all admins. (This makes a little more sense once you realize things like the TOS are stored on there.)
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That doesn't actually make any goddamn sense at all (if they really want to be using the wiki for their fucking TOS they should use wiki software with access control), but I've ceased being surprised by how stupidly they run things. Next?
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Why is this conversation taking place? "here's a thing! it should go on the wiki!" "i agree, the wiki!" "yeah, this should go on the wiki!" "everyone, post this as a journal until this goes on the wiki!"... How about you just, y'know, put the content on the fucking wiki?
You can't edit the wiki without an account. There are currently five users (http://wiki.furaffinity.net/Special:ListUsers), all admins. (This makes a little more sense once you realize things like the TOS are stored on there.)
And two of the people with wiki accounts were posting in the thread. Hell, Carenath posted it.
I'm sure they were waiting for Lord Dragoneer to wave his scepter and give his approval, because no one can do anything without his approval, and he doesn't have the time to do that kind of stuff!
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Dragoneer repeatedly offered assurances, re the people who had their notes leaked, that he had contacted them (https://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,432.msg4094.html#msg4094). However it turns out he didn't contact all of them. Since auroraborealia (http://www.furaffinity.net/user/auroraborealia/) was unaware that her notes had been leaked till today, when she received a phone call from Sniff Heinkal (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sniff_Heinkel) wherein he told her that her notes and address et al were available for the whole internet to see and he said that she better hope that "hell doesn't come down on your arse for all the fucking bullshit that you've pulled. Dumb Bitch":
As you may, or (hopefully) may not be aware, FA was very harshly hacked on December 16th. Upwards of 41 people, myself included had their personal and private information leaked. This varied from phone numbers, to addresses, real names, or a combination of the aforementioned. This livejournal (http://community.livejournal.com/furaffinity/213163.htmll) entry explains it better, and in... somewhat more depth.
According to various posts, the people who were compromised were supposed to be contacted regarding this. However... I have not heard anything regarding this situation. Nothing. Not even an instant message, let alone an e-mail. Now I doubt i'm the only one, if someone can prove me wrong and that they've been actively contacted by Dragoneer, or someone else in charge in regards to this situation, please do. Until then, I am under the impression the administration of this website I used to adore have swept us under the rug and forgotten about us.
I feel bad typing this, however something needs to be said, and even more-so: Done.
Due to FA's lack of action in regards to this, as well as other preventative actions FA could have taken, I have received a phone call and concealed threat voice-mail from sniffheinkel, aka Timothy Slosky, aa, http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sniff_Heinkel . This is the voice-mail I received. If it get removed from youtube I will re-post it on MediaFire and other various hosting sites (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njsmAexQM4I). when I first received this I had a panic attack. I started having nightmares, and now I have to deal with the inconvenience of losing out on possible employment calls due to the fact I have to change my number thanks to FA's... shitty security, and allowing holes to go un-patched, KNOWING something bad could happen.
Now, the phone number is a minor thing, my ADDRESS is another matter entirely. I can't just CHANGE that as easily as my cell phone number. Now people who I pissed off all across the united states, mostly Mr. Slosky, have a method to send items via the postal service to my home. All because FA did not pull the website down, and KEEP it down, until ALL the holes were closed. For years now people have VOLUNTEERED their services to FA for FREE just to increase security, as well as patch up the shitty coding.
Now, I don't know jack SHIT about coding, but I know enough that FA is royally fucked, and still WIDE open for a hacker attack, again. I would rather have four months of NO FA while it gets fixed to the best of standards, then use a website that constantly gets hacked, exploited, and abused. FA... you KNEW these problems existed. You KNEW they needed to be fixed, you KNEW this type of hacking could very easily happen, and yet you did nothing. you did not take the offers of MANY people who offered to code the website for free. You avoided problems, you allowed less then stellar staff members to retain their positions despite overwhelming evidence that they should not only be kicked off staff, but FA entirely... how could you? Everything you've said, everything you preached, was a flat out lie.
I loved FA, I truly did. I told myself 'Shit happens' for awhile after all this happened... but now, I can't ignore it any longer. I did not even get a PERSONAL apology. That public widespread 'i'm sorry' on LJ? No where NEAR good enough for me, and a complete cop-out. I've taken downfall after downfall, and i'm sick of it. I refuse to be part of a website that shows so little care for it's users, and the website security that needs help, SO bad. As you can see, i've completely blanked my FA gallery. I'll be moving onto my other accounts to clean them out as well, soon enough. I will be migrating to InkBunny, SoFurry, and Deviantart. Feel free to follow me there if you so choose, but I refuse to be apart of this website any more unless Fa improves..
Commissioners, I will e-mail you your commissions as they are completed, and/or post them on the other websites i'm a member of.
Now if someone, preferably Dragoneer, would like to contact me regarding this, I will be more then happy to listen. But if i'm ignored... well, I see how important FA's users are, as well as the security of their private information. :)
All my webpages are on my FA, as well as IMs.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1988209/
Synwolf, another person whose notes were leaked, mentioned in the comments that she hadn't been contacted either:
was never contacted, either, I had to find out that I was among those leaked only by other third parties (Catweasel, InsaneKangaroo, Draca, and Winter).
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1988209/#cid:16289240
edit:
You know, looking at the e-mail Dragoneer allegedly sent out about the notes leak:
http://i56.tinypic.com/10oeh49.jpg
It occurs to me that while it states that "you" (the recipient) were one of the 41 people targeted, it does not actually directly state that these 41 people had their notes taken, merely that the privacy of several individuals was compromised and that some private notes were illegally downloaded. It makes no mention of the notes being put up for download either. If you were one of the 41 victims and received that e-mail, you might not realize that your notes had been copied and put up for download (although not 41 notes have been released, only some of them).
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Do we have a full list of all the people whose notes were compromised? I mean it'd be a public service to post it!
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So he's apologizing and inviting only people he likes and popular artists?
You.
Don't.
Say...
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Well, well, it seems Dragoneer can't keep from making an ass of himself multiple times in the same issue. Aren't Dragoneer and WYS close? Doesn't bode well when your allies start bailing. And, I just realized, she was part of the Cubprotest group. So, so soon after FA bans cub porn at last, she goes to sites that allow it and seem to have no intention of banning it.
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So he's apologizing and inviting only people he likes and popular artists?
You.
Don't.
Say...
Dragoneer? Impartial? Never! Gotta brown nose all those popular people and ride their coat-tails to furry stardom.~
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An clarification, turns out she was sent an e-mail, but belives points still stands. Interesting to note that mods on some sites are required to actually mod:
Alright, i've had some time to cool down, so i'm gonna write up a clarification or three.
Turns out I WAS contacted. This is my fault entirely for not checking every folder, nor checking the dummy address I used for this account. You guys can stop harassing Dragoneer about it. While yes, there was a LOT more that could have been done during, prior, and even after this situation, he did send me an e-mail. I feel like a bigger cunt, and I deserve it.
However.
This still does not excuse the points I previously made in my journal, such as that FA knew these issues were around, and knew a huge problem was around the corner. They shoulda had a huge red flag when Apollo AND Eevee both pointed out vulnerabilities that had MONTHS to be fixed.
Not to mention the previous statement that some staff members should have been kicked off a LONG, LONG time ago, or never accepted in the first place. When I was a mod trainee on Gaia Online, they required us to answer or respond to at LEAST 100 reports a WEEK. Something similar should be imposed on the current admins of FA. I've seen several who not only don't answer tickets, but their accounts are near inactive as well. An FA admin, although not a PAID job, is still a job that requires your attention, not when you feel like it, and let some OTHER admin take the brunt of the word because you don't feel like it. You jut enjoy swinging that "@" by your name like a sloppy cock.
My point still stands, until FA fixes it's staffing problems, completely recodes and repairs the website, and completely renews itself, I will have no active part in it. I'm gonna jumble my password soon and make it so I have to do a password restore in order to sign back in. Who knows, maybe i'll earn myself a ban with some comments i've been posting.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1990322/
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Haha, she makes Forrest Fucking Gump look like a Rhodes Scholar. Jesus christ.
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Dragoneer repeatedly offered assurances, re the people who had their notes leaked, that he had contacted them (https://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,432.msg4094.html#msg4094). However it turns out he didn't contact all of them. Since auroraborealia (http://www.furaffinity.net/user/auroraborealia/) was unaware that her notes had been leaked till today, when she received a phone call from Sniff Heinkal (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sniff_Heinkel) wherein he told her that her notes and address et al were available for the whole internet to see and he said that she better hope that "hell doesn't come down on your arse for all the fucking bullshit that you've pulled. Dumb Bitch":
Actually just a minor correction, she was aware her notes were leaked the day they were leaked. She got that call over a weak ago because I contacted her and suggested methods of how to get get the audio onto her computer.
Though all this is slightly humorous, considering who its coming from. Auroraborealia was one of the people kind of egging the note leaking stuff on and was calling people involved with it names and such.
I guess it's funny until you get burned along with it, as always. I'm sure if she hadn't been targeted, she'd still remain loyal to the site and the WYS-FA circlejerk and in fact would probably be one of the people going "STOP COMPLAINING ITS A FREE SITE U MAD XD"
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Ah, TY for the correction. Well, it certainly puts a different perspective on things. :<
Perhaps the experience of being burned like that is the only thing which can change some people(s minds/opinions).
I noted on the comments of aurora's clarification journal that Sciggles posted a comment which I think was well meaning:
Glad you read my comment and looked through your email. Neer gets enough bashing and he i working incredibly hard...
They are working on things...trust me I SEE it and I would much rather the time was spent with me and family that appreciates him but he loves this site...just give him some time...
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1990322/#cid:16300267
My immediate thought was that the bashing is all self-inflicted and that Dragoneer has promised this all before, and I'm sure I wasn't the only one:
(aside/ymmv)
Heya, Susan,
> Glad you read my comment and looked through your email. Neer gets enough bashing and he i working incredibly hard...
Glad that worked out in this instance, thanks. :)
Unfortunately a lot of the bashing Sean gets /is/ self-inflicted. One can work incredibly hard bailing out water on the Titanic but that's no substitute for ensuring you don't hit the iceberg in the first place.
> They are working on things...trust me I SEE it and I would much rather the time was spent with me and family that appreciates him
Sincerely hoping things work out for y'all. :)
I know life was tough for him stuck out in the likes of Bishkek in the past and was happy to see personal matters were looking up.
> but he loves this site...
Site/community, whichever. :)
Very often it doesn't come across that way: again, at least in part self-inflicted, giving the appearance of trying to sweep things under the carpet, creating "enemies" he doesn't need, etc.
> just give him some time...
02c but we've had these discussions often enough 3-4+ years back and so many "wake up call" situations in the past. How much time is "some time"?
It's fair to say that Sean is managing better than 95-98%+ of people could possibly do, even if they were motivated, but the overall approach is still fundamentally flawed. It's simply not possible to work on the UI, participate actively to the degree he does in comments/+favs/etc., try to coordinate the finances /and/ project manage the whole of FA at the same time: I cannot see any indication that things have changed for the better these past couple of years, even if the vast majority of the community can be oblivious to such matters most of the time. That the community-member facing side of FA can more-or-less run on autopilot is "useful" but probably hasn't helped from a strategic p.o.v.
Still hoping for the best, regardless.
Best wishes, and for y'both,
David/uncia
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1990322/#cid:16302617
Personally, I'm not sure if it is fair to say that Dragoneer is managing better than 95% of people though! Can't disagree that there's been zero indication that things have changed for the better however, even after all this.
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Though all this is slightly humorous, considering who its coming from. Auroraborealia was one of the people kind of egging the note leaking stuff on and was calling people involved with it names and such.
She strikes me as one of those people who has acquired the "act first and act aggressively" mentality but is far too dumb to even realize she misses the mark with stunning regularity.
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Neer gets enough bashing and he i working incredibly hard...
Define "incredibly hard"? Last time I checked "incredibly hard" would imply something more than doing the bare minimum.
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Neer gets enough bashing and he i working incredibly hard...
Define "incredibly hard"? Last time I checked "incredibly hard" would imply something more than doing the bare minimum.
Well, from her perspective I guess playing TF2 at a data center until 3am and then not waking up until 2pm the next day probably is equivalent to "work".
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Though all this is slightly humorous, considering who its coming from. Auroraborealia was one of the people kind of egging the note leaking stuff on and was calling people involved with it names and such.
I guess it's funny until you get burned along with it, as always. I'm sure if she hadn't been targeted, she'd still remain loyal to the site and the WYS-FA circlejerk and in fact would probably be one of the people going "STOP COMPLAINING ITS A FREE SITE U MAD XD"
I guess being a huge hypocrite isn't all what it's cut out to be?
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I guess being a huge hypocrite isn't all what it's cut out to be?
Guess so! She probably works "incredibly hard" at it along with Dragoneer and realized it's too much. ::)
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I don't know why she's so bent out of shape over it anyways, it's fucking Sniff! That inbred hick ain't gonna do shit. She should be more concerned about her so-called "friends" failure to form a lynch mob to crucify the poor idiot, when you consider Synwolf's declaration of wishing bloody violence on Sniff that happened with relatively little provocation.
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So over in the "Chase resigns" thread a journal comment has been quoted alluding to a forthcoming code of conduct for admins.
An interesting idea, and, bestill my beating heart for applying this phrase to something Dragoneer is alleged to be considering thinking about maybe doing, an appropriate thing to do...if it actually materializes and is enforced. On one hand, it'd be unheard of for Princess Piche to actually have some managerial balls, or any balls really. On the other hand, maybe, just maybe, this last disaster made him realize that his little fiefdom is not impenetrable, that FA could in fact be destroyed or at least severely damaged (in terms of popularity).
I'm sure the whole Furileaks incident gave him a good scare, now whether or not he can actually do anything right if he actually tries, is an entirely different matter. It does seem that one reliable way to motivate him is some perceived threat to FA, whether that be the legality of cub porn, or his welfare line of credit with the furry fandom. He's content to sit on his ass and play TF2 unless he gets it in his head that FA, the only thing saving him from the eternal abyss of furry irrelevance, could be threatened.
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Anytime one of the admins breaks a rule in the code of conduct Dragoneer will respond (a week or so later) with "We all make mistakes!" and how he gave said admin a "good talking to" and a "warning" and nothing will ever happen.
Also, someone has leaked a thread full of many of the administrator's contact information (see: real names, locations, phone numbers) on lulz.
http://img211.imageshack.us/i/admincontactinformation.png/
http://img195.imageshack.us/i/admincontactinformation.png/
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Anytime one of the admins breaks a rule in the code of conduct Dragoneer will respond (a week or so later) with "We all make mistakes!" and how he gave said admin a "good talking to" and a "warning" and nothing will ever happen.
Also, someone has leaked a thread full of many of the administrator's contact information (see: real names, locations, phone numbers) on lulz.
http://img211.imageshack.us/i/admincontactinformation.png/
http://img195.imageshack.us/i/admincontactinformation.png/
How utterly unsurprising. Time to blame everyone else for this...again. ::)
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Auroraborelia had left FA forever (but is already back before you could say "she's gone"), and on FD_2 she commented on how Dragoneer views this whole thing, allegedly:
I came back to FA because neer and i were sending notes back and forth, and the ENTIRE time it was 'me me me', aside ONE mention of his fellow staff. No users, just 'we' and 'me'. He said he was having much more stress then any of the rest of us did, especially those who had their info leaked.
not to meantion neer caleld ME a 'back stabber'
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not to meantion neer caleld ME a 'back stabber'
Maybe that's because YOU ARE, you vapid cunt.
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I don't get it. She left angrily forever, then came back 4 days later, insisting that she had been talking to Dragoneer or the staff (can't recall which in particular) and said things were changed enough for her to come back, but then she starts throwing a tantrum about Dragoneer RIGHT AFTER COMING BACK TO HIS SITE?
Maybe her brown nosing backfired.
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Haha wow, that is almost a textbook example of "LEAVING FOREVER BACK IN 5 MINS!"
Bitch needs to make up her mind.
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I'm confused. Wouldn't that be incentive not to come back? Something doesn't make sense.
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I'm confused. Wouldn't that be incentive not to come back? Something doesn't make sense.
Of course it doesn't make sense, she's a goddamn retard. She is one of the people who do have a proper reason to be pissed off enough to leave over this, considering not only her notes were leaked, but it caused her to get apparently "harassing" phone calls over it. Instead of taking a stand and leaving, she throws a tantrum, trashes her account, then comes back a few days later as if nothing happened.
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Blitza's notes have been leaked.
http://fiskie.ng-gaming.net/furileaks/notes/Blitzas%20Notes.htm
http://filesmelt.com/dl/blitza.rar
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Has Arcturus's website "YiffyLeaks" been brought up yet?
http://faleaks.malicelabs.com/ (http://faleaks.malicelabs.com/)
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Arcturus has been hosting the leaked notes, for the past three years, on the yiffyleaks website mentioned in the post above. Well, now Dragoneer (presumably due to the recent Zaush thing) has allegedly hired a lawyer to force Arcturus to shut the site down:
(http://i.imgur.com/E7EjWwW.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/panderp/status/426017827909537792
This is the e-mail Arcturus got:
Pursuant to 20 U.S. Code § 1232h
January 21, 2014
Ryan Dowell
8901 N Armenia Ave
Tampa, FL 33604
Dear DreamHost:
We represent Ferrox Art LLC. If you are represented by legal counsel, please direct this letter to your attorney immediately and have your attorney notify us of such representation.
We are writing to notify you that your unlawful hosting of personal identifiable information breaches the constitutional right to privacy as well as various international declarations and conventions. Some of this information pertains to persons under the age of 18, which violates the privacy protections afforded to children under United States law.
The website in question:
Address: http://faleaks.malicelabs.com/
IP: 69.163.159.59 ( apache2-olive.hawkman.dreamhost.com )
Name Servers: NS1.DREAMHOST.COM NS2.DREAMHOST.COM NS3.DREAMHOST.COM
The whois information for this domain is hidden by your company DreamHost, and this domain is hosted on your networks. This makes your company liable for the information posted on this domain unless one or more of the following criteria are met:
A ) You remove the illegal content from your network
-OR-
B ) You surrender the registration information for this domain, so we may direct our legal actions in the proper direction.
You have 24 hours to respond to this email. After this period we reserve the right to take legal recourse to resolve this issue.
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http://pastebin.com/U40jxZuA
However, the Florida State Bar also does not list anyone with the name "Ryan Dowell" as being eligible practice to practice law in that state, FL 2. 20 USC 1232h is actually an education law and that address the attorney gives is not that of a law firm, but that of a charity:
http://yellowpages.ny1.com/biz/brain-injury-association-of-florida/tampa/fl/33604/1495972
Therefore it seems possible that someone faked the letter and sent it to Arcturus, or he faked it himself.
The final message on yiffyleaks:
On the 21st of January 2014, I was contacted by an attorney hired by Ferrox Art, LLC through the anomymized information for my domain. They demanded the removal of the information presented here. I don't have the resources to hire an attorney to fight this, nor really, the fortitude to do so, as I am currently quite unwell.
So, unfortunately, YiffyLeaks is being shut down. However, this site is not the only place where such information could be found. Indeed, all this site ever did was taken already existing information and clean it up and make it searchable. The raw files can probably still be found elsewhere.
If you'd like to complain about the heavyhanded legal maneuvers, you could contact either Sean Piche aka Dragoneer, at FurAffinity (or his twitter, @Dragoneer). You can also contact his attorney, Ryan Dowell, at 8901 N Armenia Ave, Tampa, FL, 33604 or by email mr.dowell@gmail.com
As for myself, you can find me on twitter, @panderp and you can also find my IMs or emails listed on many of the art sites (though, of course, not FurAffinity, as I am banned from there.)
Thanks for flying YiffyLeaks,
Arcturus
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http://faleaks.malicelabs.com/
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This is a suspicious letter.
First, as you said, there's no law firm at that address. I did some digging and found the Law Offices of Daniel C. Consuegra (http://www.consuegralaw.com/home.html) used to be there, but there's no Ryan Dowell on staff, nobody's found a Ryan Dowell practicing law in Florida yet, and this isn't one of their areas of specialty.
Second, 20 U.S. Code § 1232h is about Protection of Pupil Rights (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/20/1232h) - mostly in terms of setting school policies.
Third, a lawyer uses "mr.dowell@gmail.com" as his email address for official business??
So for now, we're left with (https://twitter.com/panderp/status/426035142013231104):
@rivin2e @furryarchitect @Kingdomcub @holodrom it doesn't seem fake. I don't want to contact the law firm itself to find out if it's not :/
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All signs point to this being a publicity stunt on Arcturus's part.
It'd be bullshit even if it did come from a real lawyer, though if it was a real lawyer he'd still have reason to be cautious. What with him being in the country illegally and all.
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(https://pcbx.us/randomguy/azyo.png)
Yeah, looks like it's BS from someone.
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Oh no, I'm starting to become irrelevant again! BETTER
DRINK MY OWN PISS MAKE SOMETHING UP
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Has any of this been reported to the appropriate authorities? Why is FA still online if it's so damning?
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Report what? The sexual assault? lmao at the idea of the police or anybody caring about claims of sexual assault.
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Report what? The sexual assault? lmao at the idea of the police or anybody caring about claims of sexual assault.
Based on the first post, I thought there was ATF/DEA/FBI worthy shit in there. It'd be a shame if there was and nothing was done about it.
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There probably is a ton of FBI/DEA worthy stuff in there.
But consider the source.
You have a site full of documents..
Downloaded from another site..
Downloaded from a torrent..
Downloaded by an unauthorized administrator..
From a furry porn site..
With unverifiable names and crimes.
What exactly is the FBI going to do to verify the evidence? Does it chase down every single crime in there? After the first 20 or so don't pan out, what about the remainder?
The information obtained from those postings is triple hearsay at best.
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welcome to reality, where knowing something to be true and being able to prove it in court are two completely fucking different things