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"alliots spring gathering"
« on: September 20, 2010, 06:14:58 pm »
I found this while browsing FA. There wasn't much further context on the submission, but the implication is so plain.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2qis1dy.jpg

I seem to recall someone saying on lulz.net, some time ago, that Elliotts spring gather was in some degree a boy procurement device. I think it is the pet convention of and bankrolled by a well off fellow who works in IT.
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Re: "alliots spring gathering"
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 05:49:36 pm »
I seem to recall someone saying on lulz.net, some time ago, that Elliotts spring gather was in some degree a boy procurement device.

I heard the same thing years ago from people local to that area—I think he lives in Orlando and they probably saw him outside of this spring gathering thing. That said a lot of people in Florida go there and treat it like a regular furry con without any knowledge or concern of any underhanded shenanigans. It's not a big thing from what I can tell, but it's probably large enough that not everyone would know about that.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2010, 07:37:39 pm »
Who drew this anyways?

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 01:16:08 am »
It has a website, you know.

Is there anything that distinguishes this rumor from the various others heard about, say, the old-time Merlino crowd?
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 11:05:53 am »
The other part of the rumor, I was told, was that he had a tendency to pay the travel costs (usually, a plane ticket to Orlando) of young males of a certain age.

The "gathering" isn't really a con from what I can tell, it seems like people who go tend to get a hotel room in the area and then during the day the event happens at this guy's house. I don't know if they've got room blocks or anything like that, although it wouldn't surprise me. I don't think there's any dealer-type stuff going on, it's more of a large BBQ from the way I've heard people describe it.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 12:17:06 pm »
I'm kind of in the boat of wondering if there's anything at all to support this rumor, or if it's just something someone muttered after getting uninvited a decade ago or some shit like that.

I mean, if we can get a first-hand or even second-hand account at the very least of someone who saw something or heard something while they were there, someone who said "Yeah he bought me a ticket out there when I was fifteen", or something like that, then damn, that's fucked up.

But so far it just sounds kind of like "Well I heard from Fluffmodior who heard from WunderKat who heard from Ukbeki'ka who was in some IRC chat room where somebody said that this one get-together has PEDOS at it."

So, like... is there anything to this, any details or actual accounts, or is it just "I heard"?

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 12:55:26 pm »
What I heard would have been second hand at best; like I said it was from people in the Orlando area who hung out with the guy. Now whether they were just repeating what they'd heard in the local rumor mill down there or they actually knew something, I have no idea. These people were fairly good friends of mine at the time, and they were fairly level headed people, not people who lived on rumors and stuff. But, it was almost four years ago now, and I haven't talked to either of them in a long time.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 01:57:52 pm »
Now whether they were just repeating what they'd heard in the local rumor mill down there or they actually knew something, I have no idea. These people were fairly good friends of mine at the time, and they were fairly level headed people, not people who lived on rumors and stuff.

Do you remember any of the specifics of what they said? Like, some particular story they repeated, some incident? Details are the difference between "I heard he's a pedo" and "Here's the story that makes me wonder if he's a pedo".

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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 02:17:48 pm »
It was just something mentioned in passing, honestly. They mentioned it offhandedly, and then sort of trailed off and the subject was changed. At least to my recollection of four years ago, anyway. No specifics that I recall.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 05:53:26 pm »
Who drew this anyways?

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2010, 02:17:01 am »
ELE is funded by someone with a lot of money and lawyers on hand.  This makes it very difficult for me to encourage a primary source to contact the FBI, and even more difficult to post the full story here.

The organization delivers very reasonably priced mini-conventions in areas across the US, plus free events at nearly every real convention.  It doesn't pay for itself, so money had to be coming in from outside.  And as "Elliot" is just a mascot, not a person, not a person inside the suit, the organization became even more suspicious.  So, when we were contacted with an offer about hosting a local convention, I checked around in the convention staff circles.  It's a pretty incestuous business, most senior staffers know most everybody else who deals with conventions.  And just about everybody knew something of the guy who pays for ELE.  And everybody told me not to press the issue.  The issue of plane tickets for minors is a really, really minor thing in comparison to the shit that's going on.  Really life wrecking shit.

But until the feds get involved, this is all just libel, and I can't back a fucking thing up.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2010, 03:39:48 pm »
ELE is funded by someone with a lot of money and lawyers on hand.  This makes it (...) difficult to post the full story here.
As long as the "full story" consists of true facts or information presented as your own, personal opinion, it should be safe for you to post the information that you have.  If no proof can be provided and damages can be claimed, you might have something to worry about.  Since, by design, it seems that these events operate at a loss, I think the event organizers would have an even more difficult time proving that what you posted caused any calculable/determinable damage.

You could safely say something to the effect of, "Complimentary airfare has been provided to some of the guests to attend some of these events, but I think there are some nefarious reasons behind that because I'm fairly certain that some of those guests were minors.  I also have been told by one of these minors that specific event organizers had made sexual advances toward them once they got there," as long as the statements are true.  Obviously, if you haven't been in direct communications with one of these alleged minors, you'd have to leave out the second sentence or re-word it.

(...) as "Elliot" is just a mascot, not a person, not a person inside the suit, the organization became even more suspicious.
Allow me to play "angel's advocate" here, and provide a hypothetical reason for the "mascot public face" which has no nefarious origins.  During the beginning brainstorming for these events, the organizers/benefactors determined that it was going to require a lot of time, effort, input, skill-sets and yes, money to provide these events to the community - as something fun for community members to attend.  None of them wanted to actually take any credit for their part in it, though, because the events are about the community, not about the people providing them.  The easiest way to do that was to create a "Mickey Mouse", if you will; a public face that could have an e-mail address or central communications point whereby credit could be directed to where it was due without actually playing favor to any single person.  In addition, it would just be fun to give the events an overall theme.

AnthroCon is an example of how this scenario happens to the contrary and here's how:  A sizable staff and board of directors make decisions for, runs, and organizes AnthroCon, however...  Whenever most people think about "whose con it is", Sam Conway (Kage) comes to mind.  Don't get me wrong.  I know that Sam puts a lot of time, effort, and work into making AnthroCon what it is.  There's no way he would be able to pull it off on his own, though, and a lot of times, people still don't really recognize that, or, even if they do, he's still put in the forefront and the rest of the staff are often downplayed.  Perhaps the ELE organizers wanted to avoid that from the beginning.

The issue of plane tickets for minors is a really, really minor thing in comparison to the shit that's going on.  Really life wrecking shit.
If there truly is "life-wrecking shit" going on, wouldn't it be better to put that information out in the open so as to provide a warning to potential future victims of having their lives wrecked?  You could avoid libel charges if you preface your facts with, "It's possible that this is untrue because it is third party information, but this is what I've heard has happened, so take it with a grain of salt and I'm urging anyone to exercise caution..."  Use the word "supposedly" and "allegedly" all over the place.  This entire thread seems to be nothing but rumormill so far, so what's one more rumor to add to the fray?

To me, the whole idea of using the events to attract minors for sexual exploitation is pretty absurd and ridiculous for the simple reason that there are nearly an infinite number other methods to accomplish that heinous purpose and they don't involve something so widely advertised, open to public scrutiny, and expensive.

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2010, 03:57:11 pm »
"Simba" -- the same dude who is involved with ELE as well as the dude who wrote that tl;dr journal about getting banned from FurryMUCK or something.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2010, 04:38:30 pm »
Allow me to play "angel's advocate" here...

Ahahahahahahahaha.  Yes, modest furries not wanting to take credit for something.  That sounds like a totally realistic and plausible thing that could happen, o person whose name is from a Disney movie yet probably has COPYWRITE TO ME all over commissioned pics of his murrsona.

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2010, 05:53:03 pm »
Yes, this is the same cheerleader who registered on VegasFurs some time ago.  Our negotiations broke down rather badly as he couldn't ever properly answer questions like "who runs this?" or "how is it funded?"  He didn't seem to comprehend that, if we're going to open a convention together, then we do need to know who we're working with.  I think we shoved him off with some 'pederasts aren't welcome in Vegas' message.

Anyway, the entire post up there is completely ignorant of reality, so I'll just post something amusing that came by my inbox.

If there truly is "life-wrecking shit" going on, wouldn't it be better to put that information out in the open so as to provide a warning to potential future victims of having their lives wrecked?  You could avoid libel charges if you preface your facts with, "It's possible that this is untrue because it is third party information, but this is what I've heard has happened, so take it with a grain of salt and I'm urging anyone to exercise caution..."  Use the word "supposedly" and "allegedly" all over the place.  This entire thread seems to be nothing but rumormill so far, so what's one more rumor to add to the fray?

To me, the whole idea of using the events to attract minors for sexual exploitation is pretty absurd and ridiculous for the simple reason that there are nearly an infinite number other methods to accomplish that heinous purpose and they don't involve something so widely advertised, open to public scrutiny, and expensive.

Yes, well, there has been a tent that roughly fits that description. It became apparent that some people can't seem to be social for a full evening without taking it out of their pants. Not being in any position to tell consenting adults what they can and can't do and rather than have them do it in the house, in the open, or in bathrooms or what have you, there was a space in a secluded, discreet, back-woods area that is "nondescript". It did include an old couch and somehow a mattress ended up out there. None of the minions are entirely sure how that migration was made, but whatever. Who cares?

There are plenty of actual, sanctioned activities at the parties, such as video games, volleyball, horseshoes, badminton, board games, dancing, music, movies, and creating art. Still, even with all of the stuff there is to do, some people just can't seem to have an evening of fun without "that" kind of fun. That space was not created to encourage any such "extracurricular" activities, but rather to remove them from being directly under everyone's noses.

Other people seem to have a problem with its mere existence, though, and well, tough tookies. We don't want that stuff going on in the house and out in the open, so setting up a tent in a secluded area was the only logical course of action to deal with it. My take on it is: If you have a problem with that space, don't enter it. Problem solved. Move on with life and congratulations on your ability to be adult about respecting others' choices when those choices have nothing to do with you and can't possibly affect you. Following my own advice, I've never been in there during the parties, so I have no idea what actually happens - if anything at all. Ignorance is bliss.

ELE seems to run on ignorance.
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2010, 06:04:19 pm »
You know I don't know that I've *ever* been somewhere where people were so damn horny and desperate they pretty much started fucking out in the open like he describes.

Even by the standards of the furry fandom, that's just really out of place and odd. Unless this whole thing started off as a fuck-party or something, in which case it makes somewhat more sense, I guess.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2010, 02:24:29 am »
That reminds me... didn't the Feral convention have an "adult cabin" set up one year in its early days?  (Never attended, this is hearsay.)

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2010, 09:23:48 am »
That reminds me... didn't the Feral convention have an "adult cabin" set up one year in its early days?  (Never attended, this is hearsay.)

My understanding is that they still do.  I can half-way understand the concept, it is sorta a con and people hook up at cons, but Feral uses cabins so you don't exactly get privacy so the 'Fuck Cabin' let's you do that without creeping out the 20 other people in the cabin you actually sleep in.

But it's still one of the reasons I'd never go to Feral.  ...That and the idea of 'Convention' and 'At least 100km away from the nearest Tim Hortons or Wifi connection' doesn't sit well with me.

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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2010, 06:53:15 pm »
I forgot that they had the "Sex Tent" at one of these....

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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2010, 09:09:10 pm »
Doot de doot de doo

You apparently know more about what happens at ELE than you're letting on. 

Why not enlighten us and make this thread, y'know, less "rumormill"?
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