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M. Hirtes drama! Yay!
« on: April 05, 2009, 01:52:12 am »
Recently, a few artists have had to deal with noted toe-ring fetishist Michael Hirtes and his attempts to scam free art out of people.  I'll get to the two most recent victims of his bullshittery in a moment.

First, check out this FA submission from ClubStripes' Midori (posted last September).  Turns out, Hirtes tried to get a refund out of Midori because she hadn't finished the commission he'd ordered within a month; when she refused his refund, she ended up finishing the picture and reselling it (amusingly enough, the auction page says Dragoneer ended up with the winning bid, having to spend only 50 USD to get the pic).  Hirtes, ever the stubborn jackass, tries to make himself out as a victim -- until Midori exposes his scam in the submission's comments by revealing PMs/communications showing that they'd never agreed to any sort of timeframe for delivery of the finished product (and tells Hirtes that, with her heavy work schedule, she would have never accepted a commission with such a tight timeframe for completion to begin with), leaving him to drift in the wind...

...up until the middle of last month.  Artist Kat Smith, under her FA account "Chill", started accepting commissions and initially agreed to do one for Hirtes.  But then she learned that he owed another artist money for a prior commission, and after talking with the artist in question, she dropped Hirtes from her commission list.  This led Hirtes to try and make himself out as a victim again, this time claiming that Kat screwed him out of a commission and shouldn't be trusted; he essentially tried to slander her and ruin her ability to do business.  But then Kat let everyone know why she'd dropped him as a client, and pretty much every place he posted on -- my site, FA, CYD, even Lulz.net -- told him he was full of shit.  (DISCLAIMER: I am on friendly terms with Kat Smith, though I don't believe that biases my perception of the facts of the situation.)

And now, FA user Fluffball has become his latest victim.  On April 3rd, Fluffball posted this submission that had been commissioned by Hirtes (note that it features only characters that Fluffball created, and that Fluffball's own "fursona" (ugh) is covering her naughty bits; that's important to this story).   On April 4th (Fluffball's birthday), she wakes up to find an e-mail in her inbox from Hirtes demanding a refund and the deletion of the image from FA.  So what do you think she does?

A.) Quietly refunds his money and removes the submission
B.) Apologizes to him on an FA journal, then gives him a refund and removes the submission
C.) Calls him out on his bullshit on an FA journal, then refuses to refund him and remove the submission

If you guessed "C", you win a no-prize.  (You're also stupid for guessing, since I linked you to the submission earlier.)  Turns out, Hirtes was demanding a refund because he said the image Fluffball posted was supposed to stay private, and he even went so far as to threaten to report Fluffball to PayPal if she didn't refund his money.  However, Fluffball turned the tables and posted a PM that Hirtes had sent her (which Hirtes admits is genuine) that indicated the image would only stay private if Fluffball's "fursona" (ugh) had been fully exposed; she believed that since no agreement had been made between the two to keep the image private should the character remain "modest" in some form, she was free to post the finished image.  Practically everyone ripped on Hirtes again and called him out on his bullshit after he posted on Fluffball's journal.

So basically, Michael Hirtes is a scam artist whose reputation is starting to spread faster than the Black Plague during medieval times.

Oh, and one more thing: on his FA page, Hirtes has (as of the writing of this post) several shouts that are in support of him, the shoutee telling Hirtes that he thinks the fandom's "always accept, never judge" attitude is what's ruining it.  Hirtes' response?

Quote from: Michael Hirtes
Ironically, it's vice-versa ("Never accept always judge") when it comes to how I'm treated here.

Because trying to screw artists out of money they worked hard to earn, insulting and demeaning and threatening said artists after they call you out on your scam-artist bullshit, and trying to make yourself out as a victim during the whole situation despite knowing you don't have any support at all TOTALLY deserves complete, unquestioning acceptance by your peers!
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Re: M. Hirtes drama! Yay!
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2009, 07:39:30 am »
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/689207/

ebony leopard/shawtae howard also posted a journal about him. He's been doing it since the 90's apparently.

Seems like this "set him off", and he went and tried to blank his wikifur page:

http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Michael_Hirtes&diff=246350&oldid=246085

He's tried multiple times before, judging from that same IP addresses actions. :<



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Re: M. Hirtes drama! Yay!
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2009, 08:52:09 pm »

    You can chalk up Hirtes as a teeny tiny part of why this site even exists. Over 15 years of bullshit and he's barely slowing down.
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Re: M. Hirtes drama! Yay!
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 12:50:37 pm »
Hirtes is a first class man-child, but in a lot of ways he's also the Rikki Lake exhibit of the fandom. I mean, people like him desire virtually no sympathy, but they do have stories, and it kind of emboldens the other man-children to have someone to communally point against.

He should just come with a little warning sticker is all.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 08:20:45 pm »
The inherent problem, as we all learned over on our predecessor site, is that Hirtes eventually runs out of stories.  At that point, he's outlived his usefulness and should be humanely put down with a banhammer.

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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 08:30:15 pm »

    They're not even interesting stories anyway, given that he's a walking bullshit machine.
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Re: M. Hirtes drama! Yay!
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 04:32:54 am »
The inherent problem, as we all learned over on our predecessor site, is that Hirtes eventually runs out of stories.  At that point, he's outlived his usefulness and should be humanely put down with a banhammer.

Well, I and the other mods have been doing that on my site, but we have to keep swinging it because the jackass thinks it's funny to get behind a proxy and post unamusing demotivators and copypasta from his CYD posts.

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Re: M. Hirtes drama! Yay!
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2009, 08:49:29 am »
In the  battle of the basement dwellers, there is no banning, just temporary removals until he shows up for the next episode.
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Re: M. Hirtes drama! Yay!
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2009, 02:30:17 pm »
Hirtes claims to have had the last laugh in the matter, posting this:



In a thread on lulz.net:

http://lulz.net/furi/res/532285.html [this will be gone once it falls off page 15, for people not so familiar with the site]

His ID is e4a13762.
If he is on a static IP, you might see that ID again.

Quote from: hirtes on lulz
As I once mentioned, even if I changed my mind, you goons would STILL hate my guts no matter what I did.

Hell, you guys have hated me always. NEVER gave me a chance.

Well, if I'm gonna be loathed & despised anyway, why bother even trying to make nice?

As I said before, I may be an asshole to many, but I'll be a sucker to none.

Broken record.
According to someone in that thread on lulz, his middle name is Jay.
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2009, 08:37:32 pm »

    So is he going to get banned yet or what?
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Re: M. Hirtes drama! Yay!
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2009, 09:19:43 pm »
So is he going to get banned yet or what?

From Lulz?  Not likely.

From CYD?  Wouldn't bet on it.

From FA?  Well, Dragoneer DID ban Allan for being a detriment to the fandom...

From my site?  We've been banning the fuckwit every time he slips behind a proxy, and we've also taken the extra step of adding him to The Roll Call of the Dishonored on our new commissions board; we're using that thread to point out commission cheats on both sides of the aisle, and Sechs and I both agreed that Hirtes had to be the very first entry.

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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2009, 11:25:46 pm »
I meant from FA. It might happen just because of his outright trolling prickishness, but they've let far, far, far worse people off the hook so it's not a sure thing.
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2009, 01:54:04 am »
I meant from FA. It might happen just because of his outright trolling prickishness, but they've let far, far, far worse people off the hook so it's not a sure thing.

I guess the best we can do is present Dragoneer with a well-written argument as to why Hirtes should be banned.

Then watch him ignore it.

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2009, 12:37:32 pm »
The best we can do is make a big ugly thread in the forums and convince their userbase that Hirtes is a terrible old man.  Populism works there.  It wasn't Allan's behavior that lead to his ban, the hundreds of angry comments and lack of support from his fans did him in.  What it takes is a show that a user is universally hated, and from there Dragoneer will be happy to step in as a "hero of the people."
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2009, 09:05:17 pm »
I meant from FA. It might happen just because of his outright trolling prickishness, but they've let far, far, far worse people off the hook so it's not a sure thing.

I guess the best we can do is present Dragoneer with a well-written argument as to why Hirtes should be banned.

Then watch him ignore it.
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2009, 05:48:47 am »
FA user Tamarik got a few other FA users (and a few posters on my board) to donate a few dollars towards Fluffball as part of the impromptu "Mike Hirtes is a Fucking Douchebag Loser Fund Drive".

Mikey no likey.

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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2009, 01:06:32 am »
update: hirtes still not banned
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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2009, 04:24:58 am »
update: hirtes still not banned

Doesn't surprise me.  I PM'd Dragoneer about Hirtes, and this was his reply:

Quote from: Dragoneer
I'm somewhat aware of Mhirtes' history, but please know I can only go by what evidence takes place on the FA domain. You have evidence on here to damn him, proof and links... I'll take care of it. :)

So yeah, 'Neer isn't gonna ban Hirtes unless he screws 'Neer out of some money, I'm thinking.

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2009, 10:29:22 am »
Populism, ie bowing to the wishes of a lot more people than only those malcontents at Vivisector.
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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2009, 06:18:33 pm »
oh look he finally got banned

very swift those fa admins are
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