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PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« on: January 26, 2014, 11:20:23 pm »
I present to you the outcome of the Trust Fund Brigade getting together at FC and deciding that Weasyl is now uncool, coming from a lot of the same people that proclaimed it was going to be the Next Best Thing online. In the process, one of the things that they manage to bring up was initiated by one of their own (Ben). Let us first start out with Hoot's allegations that Weasyl's closed beta was rushed.

@Korozjin @fluff_dragon @FireFloof weasyl used it's windows to open it's website so poorly, i was literally shocked when they put it to... open beta when they didn't even bother fixing the issues it displayed from closed.

Ben was still on the staff when Weasyl went into Open Beta, and from what I've learned from different staffers, it was Ben's decision to move to Open Beta, despite the fact that very few things had changed in the 5 months it was online and in Closed Beta. It shouldn't have been in Closed Beta when it was, either, and that has been attributed to him as well, trying to ride some sort of hype by giving people a broken website. That worked as well as expected (poorly). Nobody else gets it, either.

Next, Prawst/Prost/Whatever the fuck he goes by today took to his gaudy Tumblr to basically talk about the same thing and whine about how he was removed from staff for being too much of a COOL PARTY PERSON or something.

Tho I find it hilarious that people are moving over there [(Weasyl)] in protest since its very much so like rats jumping from a burning ship and swimming over to a rudderless and unfurnished ship. Though again, that compared to the other ship that’s burning up with dragoneer running around pouring gasoline all over the deck while zaush stands on the crowsnest windmilling his penis in grand acrobatic arches

He then gets asked a question about what he means:

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I may be misinterpreting your tone of the ship analogy between FA and Weasyl, but do you no longer like Weasyl? I am probably 100% out of touch with everything but I had thought you were one of the Weasyl backers way back.

I actually used to work as an admin with weasyl up until about a year ago this month. I was on staff from before beta and primarily during closed beta (I was most active at this point). I was fired for the most retarded of reasons (a picture of weed on my instagram from FC 2013, despite other weasyl staff smoking up at FC, and a tshirt that said “WEASYLSTAR HIPHOP” that I got peer approval to make by staff in private chats before hand but conveniently forgot about when I wore it to FC), was offered the chance to come back with a diminished role, and turned it down. A month later they launched public beta without actually making any of the changes to issues found during closed beta.

It’s hard to support weasyl when they have no obvious revenue plan (no ads, no premium service), nearly none of the promised indiegogo backer perks delivered, a lameduck assortment of staff and a website that, a year after public beta launch, is still virtually the same website it was during closed beta. It’s staff are great at moderating the website, but they are not business people nor are they the competent visionaries needed to drive the website forward. They are akin to forum moderators or bureaucrats who can direct policy but not pilot a company in the ways they need it to go. They don’t know what they are doing and if Weasyl succeeds, it will be purely dumb luck gleaned from the Furaffinity’s misfortunes.

Weasyl is no different than FA in the way that both websites promise lofty features but never deliver. The only difference is that FA has a rapist on staff.

With this, we finally get what seems to be the whole reason for his termination, since before all we ever really had before was the shirts thing.

Continuing, Prawst introduces the phrase "Partying with the brand" and other general nonsense that seems to be implying that getting stupid drunk at conventions while wearing parody shirts with the Weasyl logo worked in is some sort of marketing tactic. Anything he said in the last post that may have any amount of truth to it gets invalidated by what he has to say here.

That’s the one thing that’s a definite smart play about them and the ultimate reason why i was fired. They know loose lips sink ships so they are lameducks on purpose so that nobody focuses on or becomes aware of weasyl’s own problems. The moment I was seen partying with their brand, they had an immediate kneejerk decision to cut me loose to protect them from any potential fallout from my extroverted party activities. When you have staff that are quiet and do nothing, there’s nothing you can stick them to. So they sit there and look pretty. And at this moment, it certainly looks pretty in contrast to FA. Though once FA fixes their shit or people get over it in a week or two, Weasyl is again doomed to obscurity so lol.

This seems to echo a tweet he made a few days prior. Although it doesn't mention Weasyl specifically, the similar wording seems to imply that's who he's talking about.
fa pulls the "its a feature!" card & argues that at least their administration is exciting instead of being full of aimless lame ducks

I'm really not quite sure what he's trying to get at, because it seems he's suggesting that Weasyl would be in a better place if their administration created controversy.

It's also worth noting that Casmer/Castazel, the last of the 'Cru at Weasyl, who showed up last fall to be the "Social Media Guy" and was immediately made Director, disappeared from the staff page recently. It's likely his disappearance and the above posts are entirely related in some way or another.


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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2014, 12:58:22 am »
Wow, I'm actually going to post. How about that.

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Ben was still on the staff when Weasyl went into Open Beta, and from what I've learned from different staffers, it was Ben's decision to move to Open Beta, despite the fact that very few things had changed in the 5 months it was online and in Closed Beta. It shouldn't have been in Closed Beta when it was, either, and that has been attributed to him as well, trying to ride some sort of hype by giving people a broken website. That worked as well as expected (poorly). Nobody else gets it, either.

This is not true. On December 14th, 2012, all my staff powers were removed, and my access to all official channels severed (The open beta launched Valentines Day 2013 for anyone who might not be aware). This is because a few staff members harbored a strong dislike towards me, and Kihari felt as though it was better to lose me than multiple people. In retrospect, I do not disagree with the idea that I needed some time away from the site, as relations between me and those staff members had become incredibly contentious, and taking time away from it would have been ideal. I however do feel that permanent removal was a misstep, as the site severely lost its way between then and now, and I've always found it personally disheartening that my staff, the people I handpicked to be on the Weasyl team, turned against me and asserted that they would leave unless I was full-on done away with, seeing no middle ground between "stay" and "go". I can't say with certainty whether or not my sticking around would have prevented certain issues, but I doubt it helped (although I will say that if Juste had stuck around, I do think the site would be in a much better position right now. While it was not solely my fault that a decision was made to keep myself over him, I do firmly believe that he is far more qualified to help with such a project than the current staff, and I regret that things played out in such a way, especially since keeping me did not matter in the long run).

This is why I didn't initially rescind my shares of the LLC after I originally said I would back in March: I saw a project, my baby, in peril, and wasn't ready to let go completely, hoping I could still get back into official staff channels. I didn't even care if I was recognized for any work I would contribute beyond that point-- I just wanted the site to succeed. Ultimately though, a year later, relations had not gotten better, but actually worse, as things I had never been blamed for (i.e. the closed beta launch, and now the open beta launch apparently) were being assigned as my fault. I had discovered that an upsetting echo-chamber culture had been cultivated behind the scenes, with myself being treated like a boogieman and a scapegoat for many things.

After a point, it became clear that there's nothing more that can be done. I tried installing a lifeline for the site in the form of Casmer, as his experiences in management, his knowledge of the inner-workings of DeviantART and his extreme savviness with social media and also being a good public face for the site as far as public event appearances would have been incredible assets. Unfortunately, from what I can tell, these strong points were either never properly utilized or ignored entirely (i.e. he was never given any PR responsibilities).

Additionally, I was not actually in charge at any point during the site's initial launch, with the Directors having been made Fay, Juste, Ficklebee, Taw and himself before closed beta. It was not my decision to push out a broken site-- Ultimately, it was decided as a group to go ahead with such a launch (although there was some disagreement), because we had made a promise to donators to get the site out in a specific timeframe. That being said, I will admit that it was a mistake to hype the site up before having any firm ground to stand on, and to crowdsource funding instead of funding it ourselves, since that left the site indebted to hundreds of people, many of which have never been properly fully compensated. The only people who were properly compensated were the people who donated $19 or less, since paid features and ad space do not exist still, and not all art was made for people who donated $50 or more. Additionally, I'm unsure of what happened with merchandise promises.

In the grand scheme of things though, it didn't really matter whether or not the site was a mess upon closed beta launch, because 16 months later, there are still over 100 things missing from Weasyl by the site's own admission, and when double-checking the Redmine with my own list, found about a dozen very basic or important things missing from it (I'll give them a freebie: user groups), which doesn't give me a lot of hope about the site's prospects. To fixate on who's fault the launch date of the closed beta is irrelevant, because that was a very long time ago, and quite a lot could have been done between then and now to make the site far more ready.

I'm of course talking about the fact that actual dedicated coders needed to be hired by taking out loans. There is definitely plenty of reason to take a risk on the site since it's definitely proven to be a popular property that has a significant chance now, and plenty of reason to believe such an investment would be made back ten-fold (and please, no one quote the "lol he wanted to pay coders $15 an hour" thing at me; that was never a hard-set idea that I had, I am plenty aware that industry standards are far higher). From what I can tell, very little about the site has changed between now and when it first launched, and from the outside looking in, it seems as though coding work only gets done when people are actually paying attention to the site, instead of beforehand, which is obviously the major hangup of only having volunteers instead of real employees.

Honestly, what this community needs is a professionally run website. There are too many parallels between how Weasyl and FA are run, except for the fact that there's a lot of people with access to the code. I will admit that a 19 year old (19 at the time anyway) was not the right person to do this. I just wish the grown adults who picked up the mantle in my stead were doing a somewhat better job.


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Asides:

I can vouch for the fact that Prost's reasons for termination are very real. I'm also aware the staff walked back their firing of him and apologized because they had overreacted. I won't get into a debate about whether or not he should have been on staff at all, but I don't think it's common knowledge that the directors themselves admitted they were wrong to fire him, so just putting it out there.

And to be clear, I was very much against the open beta, as Hoot and others have expressed before that very basic things which were found in closed beta were not fixed, and were fixed within days or weeks upon open beta happening, which suggests they very could have easily waited until they were more prepared. Not much thought seemed to be put into it aside from "Valentines Day is quirky, let's do Valentines!" and that's not the way anything should be run. There's a lot of other equally serious issues that have been present that make me think Weasyl is on a bad path, but this post is long enough as is, so I'll provide more if prodded.

This all being said, I don't think it's impossible for Weasyl to succeed. At the end of the day, FA is garbage, and if it can kill it, I hope Weasyl makes it. I just also hope other viable alternatives pop up at some point in the near future, because whether it's FA or Weasyl that falls first, there needs to be another viable alternative out there. I merely wish for Weasyl to not be viewed as the messiah, because there have been a -lot- of people reuploading their entire galleries there, and I fear what cynicism might come about towards the idea of FA alternatives if Weasyl doesn't succeed, cynicism which would only be amplified by furries bitter about having spent so much time re-upping their galleries for nothing. Of course, if Weasyl does make it out alive, then it'll be okay. Ultimately, what people should take away from this whole experience is that it's okay (and also very good!) to support alternate websites. We'll see how this all pans out.

EDIT: I fleshed a couple things out since when I posted this and a couple hours later. I've never gotten a chance to properly unbottle all of this publicly, and I find more and more word vomit flowing out the longer I think about it. Apologies.
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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2014, 08:49:07 am »
Look at all these meaningless words.

I hereby dub thee, "Benchilla the Buck Passer".  Because there's no way a poor little pretty rich boy like you could ever be to blame for your own actions, right?  RIGHT?

Just go away, nobody likes you.  The best thing you could possibly do for any project is to not be involved in any public way whatsoever.

So there.  I leave you with a song.  Ahem.

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You really are a twit
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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2014, 08:51:34 am »
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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2014, 09:16:26 am »
The takeaway I get from this whole post is that Ben fucked up Weasyl's launch, he's been trying to avoid the blame ever since, the cru he runs with sucks, and the entire situation is about as funny as a Ron Paul chia pet in the bathroom.

Does that just about sum it up?
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2014, 09:34:36 am »
also trust funds.

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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2014, 01:46:04 pm »
Is that really all you guys took away from this? I haven't been actually involved with the site for 13 months, and haven't been in charge since it's been open. It's literally the opposite-- people are passing the buck to me because there are members of the team who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. How can I possibly be blamed for the open beta when I wasn't around for such a decision, nor did I even approve of it. Hell, I'm actually kind of surprised someone lied to Conan and said the open beta launch was my fault (or multiple people, as it would seem).

Do you guys really disagree that the people who have been in charge for over a year now couldn't have done things better or differently? I admit fully that we should not have done things the way we should have (hyping the product up before knowing if promises could actually be delivered on and getting our money from crowdfunding, which ended up leaving us indebted to the donators to get the site up in time). My point is, the site is still far from where we said it would be 16 months later, and that if people had been hired to code the site a long time ago (something I tried pushing and pushing and pushing for), this might not be the case. As a result of not doing so, Weasyl is far more behind than it otherwise might have been, and it's reasonable to at least cast doubt on if the project can fix all (or most) of these things before public interest fades, or something better rolls around.

The reality is, we were all okay with hyping up the project, because we all trusted it would get done. To villainize me for simply wanting to keep promises to people who had given me 6 thousand dollars (and I say me because the finances were specifically my responsibility as well as Kihari's) is ridiculous, and it honestly is kind of upsetting that most of the donator benefits have not been fulfilled as of still.

I take responsibility for my part of how things went about, as it taught me a valuable lesson about the right way to do things (and in a lot of other regards). What needs to happen is for the other side to take their share of responsibility for their missteps as well, because the reality is, I have not been calling the shots at Weasyl at any point during its 16 month history, and a lot could have been done to have it in a better state than it is now. To blame me for any of that is immature, and the true scapegoating, because I'm not trying to run away from everything. Blame is not one-sided.

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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2014, 02:04:44 pm »
I take responsibility for my part of how things went about, as it taught me a valuable lesson about the right way to do things (and in a lot of other regards).

And what have you actually done besides say "I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NEBULOUS THING AND LEARNED A LESSON I CAN'T/WON'T ARTICULATE"? Nothing? Oh, okay.

Let me make this extremely clear: You're a shitty drag queen and a bad liar to boot. The people you hang out with are there to laugh at you. Keep living in your little fantasy world where you can do no wrong, and stop posting here.
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2014, 02:09:11 pm »
I take responsibility for my part of how things went about, as it taught me a valuable lesson about the right way to do things (and in a lot of other regards).

And what have you actually done besides say "I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NEBULOUS THING AND LEARNED A LESSON I CAN'T/WON'T ARTICULATE"? Nothing? Oh, okay.

Let me make this extremely clear: You're a shitty drag queen and a bad liar to boot. The people you hang out with are there to laugh at you. Keep living in your little fantasy world where you can do no wrong, and stop posting here.

Can you articulate yourself what you feel I should do? Also, you ignored my question about whether you feel the last year of Weasyl's administration could have been run better. I do not live in a world where I believe I can do no wrong; I am plenty fine with admitting when I've done something wrong. I am merely frustrated when other people are incapable of doing the same, and then project that fact onto the other party. I do realize no one from Weasyl staff will likely come around and own up to any mistakes, and I get that: It's bad PR. All I ask is for myself to stop being treated like a scapegoat in private, only for someone (Conan) to take that passed blame and pass it around publicly as fact.

Also, this is what I learned:

1) When trying to do a project like this, keep the staff small and local. In-person communication and voice communication helps a lot.
2) Do not hype the project up without firm ground to stand on.
3) Do not get money from crowdfunding. Fund it yourselves so you are not indebted to anybody.
4) Hire people. Volunteer work is unreliable at best.
5) Establish from the start the philosophies of the people you're getting involved with so you're not constantly butting heads over fundamental beliefs as to how to run something.
6) Be less argumentative, and communicate with the group more.

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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2014, 02:31:11 pm »
1) When trying to do a project like this, keep the staff small and local. In-person communication and voice communication helps a lot.

"keep it in an echo chamber, so no criticism has to be heard"

2) Do not hype the project up without firm ground to stand on.

By all accounts except yours, you rushed the closed beta out the door, so you are in fact responsible for most of this garbage.

3) Do not get money from crowdfunding. Fund it yourselves so you are not indebted to anybody.
4) Hire people. Volunteer work is unreliable at best.

...then you're indebted to the people you hire. Also, from out here, Weasyl's volunteers seem to be doing fine without you. Boring.

5) Establish from the start the philosophies of the people you're getting involved with so you're not constantly butting heads over fundamental beliefs as to how to run something.
6) Be less argumentative, and communicate with the group more.
More echo-chamber garbage. I'm reading "pick a group of people who will agree with me all the time".

2 out of 6. Go back to your party floor and pretend Prost likes you.
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2014, 03:03:59 pm »

5) Establish from the start the philosophies of the people you're getting involved with so you're not constantly butting heads over fundamental beliefs as to how to run something.
6) Be less argumentative, and communicate with the group more.
More echo-chamber garbage. I'm reading "pick a group of people who will agree with me all the time".
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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2014, 03:16:33 pm »
What this #adventurecru thread needs:

1. More trips to Total Wine & More.
2. Less bitching about weasyl.

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2014, 03:42:44 pm »
Why are you trying so hard to silence me Pi? And why are you incapable of discussing this without throwing personal insults around? It only damages your credibility to behave this way. I can't believe you actually broke the coding on my account so my post would erase itself when I went to submit. I mean, it's not like that when I log out, so.

1) When trying to do a project like this, keep the staff small and local. In-person communication and voice communication helps a lot.

"keep it in an echo chamber, so no criticism has to be heard"

5) Establish from the start the philosophies of the people you're getting involved with so you're not constantly butting heads over fundamental beliefs as to how to run something.
6) Be less argumentative, and communicate with the group more.
More echo-chamber garbage. I'm reading "pick a group of people who will agree with me all the time".

Except that's exactly what Weasyl's staff is right now. I am saying that the staff should at least agree on fundamental principles of how to run an art site, not that they should agree on every little thing. Hell, I used to bring a dissenting opinion up a lot in order to make sure all angles were being considered. This is more or less what made the staff get annoyed with me because they didn't have time to discuss every intimate detail in exhausting length like that. I understand why they felt that way, because the site was a second or third priority to them, and they needed to focus on their schoolwork or their job. For me, this was my first priority, and so I felt no problem with making sure everything was discussed in exhausting detail. I feel like that fact got misunderstood a lot. I admit that sometimes some of the things I would debate about simply did not need to be argued, but I cannot help but feel that such vitriol towards my desire to consider all sides of an issue would not have been felt so strongly if the staff had been smaller and felt less annoyed by the idea of dedicating lots of time towards exploring all sides of a matter.

That's not the only reason they got upset at me-- the other reason is that I would go off and do things by myself instead of talking to the team. And while there were times where this was unnecessary, there were times where I would do it because the team could not make themselves readily available to actually discuss things, due to the site being a second or third priority to them. I feel as though very often, instead of focusing on what I had actually said and done, they would get mad at the principle of the matter, even if I had handled the situation just fine.

2) Do not hype the project up without firm ground to stand on.
   
By all accounts except yours, you rushed the closed beta out the door, so you are in fact responsible for most of this garbage.

Let me explain better. in January 2012, the staff was handpicked by myself (save for Taw), and we created social media accounts on Twitter, Tumblr and Facebook to hype the site up. Everyone was okay with this. Everyone was also okay with launching an IndieGoGo campaign in June 2012. There were no qualms until September rolled around, and it was revealed the site would not have groups finished. We decided that it was okay, and that as long as we get any missing functionality out there before open beta, the public will forgive us. At the end of the day, we had made a promise to get the site up by the end of September, and an art site with no groups function or fully working collections function was better than nothing. I did not advocate for the closed beta launch with any knowledge that the site was as buggy and broken as it was. I am not a coder. I was merely acting on information given to me by the head coder.

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3) Do not get money from crowdfunding. Fund it yourselves so you are not indebted to anybody.
4) Hire people. Volunteer work is unreliable at best.

...then you're indebted to the people you hire.

What? Am I somehow mistaken in thinking that we would be indebted to the bank we took the loan out from, and not the coders? I'm not suggesting we promise paying them later, but that the onus be on the heads of the site owners, not the people coding it.

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Also, from out here, Weasyl's volunteers seem to be doing fine without you. Boring.

Because like I said, the site literally is an echo chamber right now, so obviously they're getting along swimmingly. Not that it has to be an echo chamber for people to get along, but that is essentially the case here. There was no one there to stop them from having the public launch without fixing more of the things found in closed beta, many of which were fixed days and weeks after enough people complained. No one to see that taking on volunteer work is a messy prospect, and that if you want real results, you need hired people. No one to point out that pushing out Markdown is completely inane if you're not going to couple it with buttons that allow someone to easily insert the code into their posts (I know you guys have more patience to go and memorize how to do it, but the site is supposed to be easy and user friendly, and that's kind of the opposite). There's other smaller things, but those are the main things (the third point to a lesser extent).

Also, they're not honestly doing that fine. From what I understand, very little coding work was done over the summer. Very little has changed about Weasyl between its launch and now, and there's still over 100 issues with it, again, by the site's account. I'd hardly call that "doing fine."


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2 out of 6. Go back to your party floor and pretend Prost likes you.

I honestly find it perplexing that you can't discuss this without throwing personal insults at me. You're greatly undermining Viv's position as an objective source of information by throwing tomatoes at someone, merely because they're poking holes in the idea that Weasyl is our savior, i.e. going against the site's message. Unless of course this was never Viv's intention, then my apologies.

I'll reiterate that I do not think Weasyl cannot possibly succeed, but rather that people need to express caution, and to not toss their eggs into one basket so hastily.

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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2014, 03:50:08 pm »
Why are you trying so hard to silence me Pi? And why are you incapable of discussing this without throwing personal insults around? It only damages your credibility to behave this way. I can't believe you actually broke the coding on my account so my post would erase itself when I went to submit. I mean, it's not like that when I log out, so.


I don't see anyone trying to silence you, have any of your posts been removed?
Also noone "broke the coding," that's just what happens when data gets lost along the line and the CSS doesn't work right. It's actually a fairly common thing...

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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2014, 03:55:17 pm »
Why are you trying so hard to silence me Pi? And why are you incapable of discussing this without throwing personal insults around? It only damages your credibility to behave this way. I can't believe you actually broke the coding on my account so my post would erase itself when I went to submit. I mean, it's not like that when I log out, so.


I don't see anyone trying to silence you, have any of your posts been removed?
Also noone "broke the coding," that's just what happens when data gets lost along the line and the CSS doesn't work right. It's actually a fairly common thing...

No, but I get the impression they're trying to get me to stop posting, what with Pi loudly yelling "STOP POSTING." It's happening in all of my browsers, and it goes away when I'm logged out. Regardless, that point is superficial to the actual body of what I wrote.

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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2014, 04:02:26 pm »
No, but I get the impression they're trying to get me to stop posting, what with Pi loudly yelling "STOP POSTING."

and yet, you keep posting

pro tip: nobody wants to hear what you have to say

nobody thinks you're entertaining, funny, or really useful in any way. nothing you 'discuss' is worth the paper you write it on

weasyl is permanently tarnished by its association with you, and i hope they can outgrow that.

PS: "weasyl is obviously an echo chamber because they kicked me out for constantly bringing up 'opposing viewpoints' aka being a shit" isn't really compelling.

i'm expecting another 300 ton pile of screeching word-poo from your dullard ass, please don't disappoint

pps: if your theme appears broken, try Shift-F5

or maybe close your browser and never open it again, either one is fine by me i can't believe i'm wasting these words on you oh my god
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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2014, 04:09:17 pm »
No, but I get the impression they're trying to get me to stop posting, what with Pi loudly yelling "STOP POSTING."

and yet, you keep posting

pro tip: nobody wants to hear what you have to say

nobody thinks you're entertaining, funny, or really useful in any way

weasyl is permanently tarnished by its association with you, and i hope they can outgrow that.

This is exactly what I mean. "Taking responsibility" does not mean "absorbing all blame for everyone else's mistakes." The blame is shared equally, at least, up to the point where I stopped being in charge. At that point, it becomes the tarring and feathering of a scapegoat. Are you just going to ignore the fact that staff are lying to people and saying I had anything to do with the open beta launch? Are you just going to ignore the fact that I had nothing to do with any bad decisions made in the last year? If you don't think Weasyl has made any mistakes since I've not been in charge, just go ahead and say it. Seriously.

(And no, F5ing is not fixing anything.)

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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2014, 04:12:22 pm »
Fucklot of angry noises about a website that actually runs pretty good despite you all getting kicked off staff, maybe it never needed a clique of administrators which had no relevant skillsets beyond the ability to ironically tolerate other teenage lushes and the harlem shake

None of this and none of you have been relevant to Weasyl for a year, but now that it's on the upswing and the popufurs are posting there, suddenly it's become a topic of severe interest

so hey ben you jelus much </3
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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2014, 04:14:31 pm »
This is exactly what I mean. "Taking responsibility" does not mean "absorbing all blame for everyone else's mistakes." The blame is shared equally, at least, up to the point where I stopped being in charge.
you are delusional if you believe "blame is shared equally" when you're the one going around talking bullshit about what the site's goals are

At that point, it becomes the tarring and feathering of a scapegoat. Are you just going to ignore the fact that staff are lying to people and saying I had anything to do with the open beta launch?

yeah, sure, everyone ELSE is lying etc etc.

Are you just going to ignore the fact that I had nothing to do with any bad decisions made in the last year? If you don't think Weasyl has made any mistakes since I've not been in charge, just go ahead and say it. Seriously.

y'know, weasyl just plain doesn't need a failed drag queen career-congoing party shithead involved with them, so whatever mistakes they've made have to be weighed against the one good decision of shit-canning your sorry ass.

(And no, F5ing is not fixing anything.)
try the other solution i outlined
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Re: PARTYING WITH THE BRAND: AdventureCru cries loudly about Weasyl
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2014, 04:17:42 pm »
I'll reiterate that I do not think Weasyl cannot possibly succeed, but rather that people need to express caution, and to not toss their eggs into one basket so hastily.

That doesn't mean anything tho? Like there's nothing you can actually unpack from this that translates into actual action.

It really does just come off like you're trying to damage control your rep. Which is probably beyond saving, tbh.