Author Topic: Bad Dragon's Business License Revoked (Read 5673 times)

Conan · « **on:** January 11, 2012, 10:36:00 pm »

It seems that somebody's been a bad dragon...

Bad Dragon has lost their business license for failing to file an annual report (It was due August 4th). It was Athus' job to send this in (he sent in the last one and is also listed as the statutory agent), but failed to do so for nearly two months before he passed away. A final notice was sent in early November that stated if they did not send in their report, they'd lose their license. That was posted on lulz.net as well, but apparently never got to them.

As the above image points out, they are no longer able to "transact business/conduct affairs" until they get this cleared up. This more than likely includes their website, especially since the website's servers are also physically in Arizona.

Oopsie.

a pigeon · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:07:03 am »

Edit:

Someone stated on lulz.net that this might not be very financially damaging for BadDragon, though they may have been barred from Anthrocon which will be harder on their coffers:

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The notice of revocation says they have six years to reapply. According to Arizona Revised Statutes Title 10 section 1502 (kindly quoted above by >>1915945 ) it seems there's some fees and penalties that could apply when they do, but they're not huge:

*They could be fined up to $1000. That's a maximum, so as long as they get it taken care of promptly and don't piss off the government while they're at it, they not likely to be hit for that much if anything.
*They could be forced to pay court costs if the government takes them to court. Again, as long they don't piss off the government, that's not gonna happen.
*They have to pay any filing fees associated with the documents they should have filed. It seems the only document they've been required to file is the annual report, which has a filing fee of $45.
*They will have to pay any penalties associated with non-payment of said filing fees during the interim period. For the annual report, 10-1622 says this penalty is 20% of the fee per month of delinquency, so that's $9 per month.

In summary, fill out a form, pay a minor fee, and maybe a slap-on-the-wrist fine. Frankly, even if they got hit for the full $1k plus other stuff I might have missed, they're probably going to be taking a much bigger hit in lost sales not being at Anthrocon this year (and I'm disappointed in you all for not poking fun of this one yet). There were some complaints about the COCKS, COCKS EVERYWHERE situation in the dealer's room at AC11 ( https://www.anthrocon.org/node/7150/bad-dragon-forum-discussion ), and it looks like Kage quietly put a stop to it ( https://twitter.com/#!/varka/status/157317219779477504 ), seeing as I can't fathom any reason they'd skip it other than being banned. Sure enough, they're not on the dealer list ( http://www.anthrocon.org/node/2209/dealers-room-layout-2012 ).

http://lulz.net/furi/res/1915757.html#1916181

Edit Edit: 'nother post by someone:

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They weren't kicked by name. Anthrocon added a line to section VI of the dealer packet:

B. Items of a distinctly adult nature whose primary purpose is functional rather than artistic are prohibited (if you do not know what that means, please contact us and we will explain).

So Kage effectively banned BD by banning sex toys.

>>1918099
They're at FC right now and they said they'd be at FWA ( http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3015808/ ), but it looks like they recognize the risk of this becoming a problem, as they also say:

"Going forward, you may notice that our staff members at cons will carry the highest membership (Super Sponsored, etc) available--this is not to be showy or to make others feel unimportant, but rather our way of supporting the convention itself so that it can continue to be grow and be successful."

Or in other words, "we're throwing cash at the con staff to avoid more bans".

http://lulz.net/furi/res/1915757.html#1918149

Conan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2012, 02:13:43 pm »

They've also posted something on twitter echoing what the lulz poster said about the AC ban.

It's their own damn fault anyways. Perhaps if they were a little less OH MY GOD GUYS WE'RE SELLING DONGS and didn't hand out "mini-cocks" and "porn receipts" they wouldn't have been banned. Not surprisingly, those things were new last year, and were probably the tipping point for Kage and the rest of the AC staff. They went and introduced two things that would easily be lost/misplaced in a public place and are 100% adult in nature. I wouldn't be surprised if there were "mini cocks" being found between cushions in the hotel's furniture weeks after the convention.

rodox_video · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2012, 09:47:50 am »

If my memory is right, it would seem that Bad Dragon is running into many of the same problems at the convention circuit that ZetaCreations did many years ago.

Jim Demintia · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2012, 04:27:00 pm »

Arizona is not exactly known for their love of government. I can't imagine the incorporation requirements are particularly cumbersome compared to other states.

But regardless, if you don't have your act together enough to get basic stuff like this taken care of- no matter whose responsibility it was- that speaks of a business that's riding the gravy train while they can and not one that will be able to take even a small hit, let alone losing a big venue like Anthrocon.

It's easy to make money. It's harder to keep it when things go south.

greaseyote · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2012, 02:37:04 pm »

I can't believe that furries are sperging out so much over this... well, actually... Anyway, you don't go to your favorite local Chinese restaurant and demand to see their business license and ask them if the cat meat is USDA certified, do you?

This really isn't the issue that furries are making it out to be and, for the time being, will probably involve a minor "administrative" fine when they do get around to filing... And, from my experience, states don't send out notices telling you that your statement wasn't filed, you're expected to just do it on time. It's really not a big deal.

Anyway, this however, is a good point,

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that speaks of a business that's riding the gravy train while they can and not one that will be able to take even a small hit, let alone losing a big venue like Anthrocon.

I don't know anything about Varka (I think that's the owner) and I've never met him, aside from a quick look at their products at the con. Would he be the kind of guy that one day just decides to take the money and run?

nrr · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2012, 05:39:04 am »

Quote from: greaseyote on January 17, 2012, 02:37:04 pm

I don't know anything about Varka (I think that's the owner) and I've never met him, aside from a quick look at their products at the con. Would he be the kind of guy that one day just decides to take the money and run?

I know the answer to this, but because of a gentleman's agreement, I cannot divulge the details.

MazelTovCocktail · « **Reply #7 on:** January 18, 2012, 12:37:28 pm »

Quote from: nrr on January 18, 2012, 05:39:04 am

Quote from: greaseyote on January 17, 2012, 02:37:04 pm
I don't know anything about Varka (I think that's the owner) and I've never met him, aside from a quick look at their products at the con. Would he be the kind of guy that one day just decides to take the money and run?

I know the answer to this, but because of a gentleman's agreement, I cannot divulge the details.

I'll take that as a "yes".

Spip · « **Reply #8 on:** January 18, 2012, 05:42:47 pm »

Quote from: greaseyote on January 17, 2012, 02:37:04 pm

I can't believe that furries are sperging out so much over this... well, actually... Anyway, you don't go to your favorite local Chinese restaurant and demand to see their business license and ask them if the cat meat is USDA certified, do you?

Oh hey look at that: "sperging", defensiveness, AND racism! Are you an employee of Bad Dragon? A happy customer?

Jim Demintia · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2012, 06:57:23 pm »

Quote from: MazelTovCocktail on January 18, 2012, 12:37:28 pm

Quote from: nrr on January 18, 2012, 05:39:04 am
Quote from: greaseyote on January 17, 2012, 02:37:04 pm
I don't know anything about Varka (I think that's the owner) and I've never met him, aside from a quick look at their products at the con. Would he be the kind of guy that one day just decides to take the money and run?

I know the answer to this, but because of a gentleman's agreement, I cannot divulge the details.

I'll take that as a "yes".

Jesus, just reading through that one thread we had a while back about Varka and Bad Dragon, I can tell you the answer is a resounding "DUH" and I don't have any secret agreements. I'm surprised he hasn't like, you know, done this already and turned up in some former Soviet republic stealing credit cards as a retirement hobby.

kayfox · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2012, 04:12:01 pm »

http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name-id=F15438049&type=CORPORATION

MazelTovCocktail · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2012, 05:29:01 pm »

Quote from: kayfox on January 20, 2012, 04:12:01 pm

http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name-id=F15438049&type=CORPORATION

Did one of their employees seriously change his legal name to Kamo Wolf?

When you're actually changing your legal name to that of your furry character, you know you're in way too deep to have any hope of leading a normal life.

Conan · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:59:35 am »

The new statutory agent is a lawyer. They hired a lawyer to file something you can e-file right from the website.

greaseyote · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:29:59 am »

Quote from: MazelTovCocktail

Did one of their employees seriously change his legal name to Kamo Wolf?

When you're actually changing your legal name to that of your furry character, you know you're in way too deep to have any hope of leading a normal life.

What? Wolf is a common surname.

I too have thought of changing my last name to Coyote, best way to troll your family ever if you don't like them or their name, LOL. Doing so sounds like a big can of worms though, trying to reconcile all your old records to your new ones, I guess I should have done it when I turned 18.

Quote from: Conan

The new statutory agent is a lawyer. They hired a lawyer to file something you can e-file right from the website.

I believe that is just the person they designated to receive service of process. That is what statutory agent means. So if somebody tries to sue them, they must go directly to their attorney and not to their place of business or personal residence to serve process.

greaseyote · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:49:44 am »

Quote from: Spip on January 18, 2012, 05:42:47 pm

Quote from: greaseyote on January 17, 2012, 02:37:04 pm
I can't believe that furries are sperging out so much over this... well, actually... Anyway, you don't go to your favorite local Chinese restaurant and demand to see their business license and ask them if the cat meat is USDA certified, do you?
Oh hey look at that: "sperging", defensiveness, AND racism! Are you an employee of Bad Dragon? A happy customer?

Not racist at all, but I sure don't ascribe to the whole ideology of politically correct bullshit, and especially not on a website that basically exists to talk shit about the furry fandom, and one that's name is a play on words for the dissection of animals while they're still alive for fucks sake.

ProvincialTwit · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2012, 11:11:19 am »

This thread is getting stupid.

Stop being stupid.

You faggots.

Jim Demintia · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2012, 04:49:13 pm »

So there are two reasons you'd have a lawyer doing that. One is whoever was tasked with doing it has no idea what they're doing and thus thought it best to bring legal help on board (also possible is that they thought it was best to get a lawyer for some other reason). The other is that there's some unknown legal problem with Bad Dragon and that's the reason the lawyer's on board.

FWIW, Wolf is a common German surname, I believe.

MazelTovCocktail · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2012, 08:36:48 pm »

Quote from: greaseyote on January 21, 2012, 10:29:59 am

Quote from: MazelTovCocktail
Did one of their employees seriously change his legal name to Kamo Wolf?

When you're actually changing your legal name to that of your furry character, you know you're in way too deep to have any hope of leading a normal life.

What? Wolf is a common surname.

I'm aware of that, but Kamo is definitely not a common first name. It's a business run by furries, and "Kamo Wolf" sounds like a typical fursona name, so I'm just wondering if that's what he actually did.

ColonThree · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2012, 09:10:37 am »

Quote from: MazelTovCocktail on January 20, 2012, 05:29:01 pm

Did one of their employees seriously change his legal name to Kamo Wolf?

A fursuit of "Kamo Wolf" (made in Arizona), referred to as 'Kamo 2Paws', who is named in this thread as being BD staff. One way or another, that certainly seems to be both their real name and online persona.

greaseyote · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2012, 09:27:58 am »

Quote from: Jim Demintia

So there are two reasons you'd have a lawyer doing that. One is whoever was tasked with doing it has no idea what they're doing and thus thought it best to bring legal help on board (also possible is that they thought it was best to get a lawyer for some other reason). The other is that there's some unknown legal problem with Bad Dragon and that's the reason the lawyer's on board.

Possibly, but there's also the possibility that they hired this guy as their registered agent because it's just not a bad idea. There are attorneys who will do it (agree to act as your agent) for a "small" annual fee.

Consider the following...

You are being sued and the summons is served directly to your attorney, who handles it quickly, professionally and quietly.

Or, you are being sued and the summons is served directly to your place of business which is staffed... by furries...

Which would you prefer?

Quote from: ColonThree

One way or another, that certainly seems to be both their real name and online persona.

So the I guess question is, did he change his real name to that of his fursona or did he choose his fursona based on his real name?

It's like this, does art imitate life, or does life imitate art?

Either way, he's certainly not the only furry to have done so.