Furries and Racial Sensitivity

[DOUK NOUK EM]

http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=59343

Now that we've got that out of the way...

Let's discuss furries, a mostly white society that enjoy drawing dogs in Nazi uniforms sucking each other off, and their general ignorance around other races.  I have talked to furries who say that they would wash their hands after touching a black person because they'd feel great discomfort otherwise.  I've talked to furries who want to be in the Klan.  I've talked to furries who are also white supremacists.

I ask you, Vivisector...what the hell is this crap?

[ProvincialTwit]

Well, as you've said, furries are primarily white, and primarily males.  On average, they come from fairly affluent families - affluent enough to afford one or more computers and a steady Internet connection, at least.  From this we can extrapolate that they likely live in primarily white neighborhoods, and those of school age likely attend schools which are primarily white.

Additionally, furries are, on the whole, not particularly socially well-developed; at least when it comes to interacting with other human beings in real life.  They have a hard enough time interacting with people that "look like them", so to speak; dealing with people of another race becomes just that much more difficult for them to process.  Also, being anti-social shut-ins, most furries will likely spend a lot of time watching tv/movies/etc, causing them to get most of their knowledge about people of color, or hispanics, etc. from said movies and tv and such. 

The only exemptions seem to be the exceptionally rare non-Caucasian furries they may meet at conventions, though even then I've witnessed the typical white-and-nerdy socially-stunted furfag types looking even more uncomfortable than normal around a black furry.  (I don't think I've ever seen a latino furry tbqh.)

Oh, and of course, the Japanese are perfectly fine with furries because GLORIOUS NIPPON.

[DOUK NOUK EM]

The only exemptions seem to be the exceptionally rare non-Caucasian furries they may meet at conventions, though even then I've witnessed the typical white-and-nerdy socially-stunted furfag types looking even more uncomfortable than normal around a black furry.  (I don't think I've ever seen a latino furry tbqh.)

I have often considered this.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Furry being dominated by whites is a bad thing, but as you pointed out, it's a predominately White subculture. 
Now, I am not white, so I naturally wouldn't insert myself into something that's generally a thing of white people.  Not only does it create awkwardness for everyone, but also there's that whole issue of Furries seeming to generally dislike brown people to begin with.  This makes me wonder why on earth the rare Black furries would subject themselves to such pointless strife.

[LordNagetiere]

I have talked to furries who say that they would wash their hands after touching a black person because they'd feel great discomfort otherwise.  I've talked to furries who want to be in the Klan.  I've talked to furries who are also white supremacists.

I've met wigger furries. Also a ton of fat white guy furries who want so damn bad to be asian it's pathetic.

Now, I am not white, so I naturally wouldn't insert myself into something that's generally a thing of white people.

Racist...

This makes me wonder why on earth the rare Black furries would subject themselves to such pointless strife.

Because you're average black furry is closer to a rail-thin clone of Steve Urkel than a Malcolm X. They don't seem to care about their heritage as much as the latest news on 40k, OCing with friends, or typefucking on a Muck. Some even developed good natured senses of humor about being the only darkie in the room, and kudos to them for it.

Also, truth be told, if you're the type to pick up insult at the drop of a hat, even the lesser socially awkward furries will pounce on the opportunity to troll you for it. I sure as fuck do with at least one black furry I know, and virtually all the Jewish ones...

[DOUK NOUK EM]

I have talked to furries who say that they would wash their hands after touching a black person because they'd feel great discomfort otherwise.  I've talked to furries who want to be in the Klan.  I've talked to furries who are also white supremacists.

I've met wigger furries. Also a ton of fat white guy furries who want so damn bad to be asian it's pathetic.

Now, I am not white, so I naturally wouldn't insert myself into something that's generally a thing of white people.

Racist...

This makes me wonder why on earth the rare Black furries would subject themselves to such pointless strife.

Because you're average black furry is closer to a rail-thin clone of Steve Urkel than a Malcolm X. They don't seem to care about their heritage as much as the latest news on 40k, OCing with friends, or typefucking on a Muck. Some even developed good natured senses of humor about being the only darkie in the room, and kudos to them for it.

Also, truth be told, if you're the type to pick up insult at the drop of a hat, even the lesser socially awkward furries will pounce on the opportunity to troll you for it. I sure as fuck do with at least one black furry I know, and virtually all the Jewish ones...

I wouldn't call it racism, just not putting myself where I'm not wanted.  I'm black, furries are mostly white, that's like a huge STAY THE FUCK AWAY neon sign blinking overhead.  It'd be like me going up to a skinhead and saying, "Can I be a skin too plz?"  I'm all too painfully aware of the situation, you know?  That's enough reason for me to leave well enough alone, as it were.

Yeah, I know about the types of black people who kiss up to whites in the hopes that they'll accept them, like you said.  Most of the time they end up like Tiger Woods, getting a Negro Wake-Up call as we homeboys call it, and realizing that if anything their white peers disrespect them even more for it.

You call it a good sense of humor, I call it debasing yourself.  But I'm not too concerned about it on the whole...

[LordNagetiere]

I wouldn't call it racism, just not putting myself where I'm not wanted.  I'm black, furries are mostly white, that's like a huge STAY THE FUCK AWAY neon sign blinking overhead.  It'd be like me going up to a skinhead and saying, "Can I be a skin too plz?"  I'm all too painfully aware of the situation, you know?  That's enough reason for me to leave well enough alone, as it were.

Your reasoning is still faulty, and relying heavily on both victimhood/victimizer projection. You're literally equating all white people to neo-nazis. While I agree with you, and I'd avoid a group of black panthers meeting somewhere, I think you'd admit it would be pretty obvious why I left if I walked into a restaurant, saw a majority of brown faces and turned heal (inb4 Popeyes joke).

With that being said, I do find when I'm in areas where the demographics are stacked more black, people in lines and cashiers in general are very nice to me, but I think that's because they assume I'm packing a gun if I'm not a scared little whitey.

Yeah, I know about the types of black people who kiss up to whites in the hopes that they'll accept them, like you said.

That's not what I said. I said some care less. They judge their relations with people in a more complex manner than 'bro or cracker', than us or them. You should try it. Last I checked nobody chose their skin color. Nobody worked hard for it. If you're proud of your race, like a skinhead, it indicates you have nothing else to be proud about. Yes, that means you're not much better than them.

[DOUK NOUK EM]

I wouldn't call it racism, just not putting myself where I'm not wanted.  I'm black, furries are mostly white, that's like a huge STAY THE FUCK AWAY neon sign blinking overhead.  It'd be like me going up to a skinhead and saying, "Can I be a skin too plz?"  I'm all too painfully aware of the situation, you know?  That's enough reason for me to leave well enough alone, as it were.

Your reasoning is still faulty, and relying heavily on both victimhood/victimizer projection. You're literally equating all white people to neo-nazis. While I agree with you, and I'd avoid a group of black panthers meeting somewhere, I think you'd admit it would be pretty obvious why I left if I walked into a restaurant, saw a majority of brown faces and turned heal (inb4 Popeyes joke).

With that being said, I do find when I'm in areas where the demographics are stacked more black, people in lines and cashiers in general are very nice to me, but I think that's because they assume I'm packing a gun if I'm not a scared little whitey.

No, I'm not equating anyone with anything.

What I'm saying is that in a community made by whites, for whites, there's no concrete reason why anyone of any other race should involve themselves.  That goes double if the community in question dislikes brown people and glorifies the purity of the white race.  In your restaurant analogy, I would have absolutely no argument with you if the restaurant in question was owned and staffed by black people who have a chip on their shoulder regarding people of any other race.
You'd be well within reason to leave....because you're not wanted there.

In the same vein, I wouldn't throw myself in the middle of a white group where I'm explicitly not wanted.

Yeah, I know about the types of black people who kiss up to whites in the hopes that they'll accept them, like you said.

That's not what I said. I said some care less. They judge their relations with people in a more complex manner than 'bro or cracker', than us or them. You should try it. Last I checked nobody chose their skin color. Nobody worked hard for it. If you're proud of your race, like a skinhead, it indicates you have nothing else to be proud about. Yes, that means you're not much better than them.

Considering how much sway and influence white supremacists have[just look at how gigantic and ponderous the Stormfront forums are], that doesn't say much for your point.  Secondly, even if I thought about it in terms other than "us vs. them", it doesn't stop them from thinking about it in that particular way...

...and most of them do.

But anyway, most of this is water under the bridge.  The main issue here is furries and their general ignorance/intolerance regarding brown people.

[Jim Demintia]

On average, they come from fairly affluent families - affluent enough to afford one or more computers and a steady Internet connection, at least.  From this we can extrapolate that they likely live in primarily white neighborhoods, and those of school age likely attend schools which are primarily white.

I hear this, a lot. Yet it does not match my experience or that of anyone I know. Maybe it depends on who you know?

[DOUK NOUK EM]

On average, they come from fairly affluent families - affluent enough to afford one or more computers and a steady Internet connection, at least.  From this we can extrapolate that they likely live in primarily white neighborhoods, and those of school age likely attend schools which are primarily white.

I hear this, a lot. Yet it does not match my experience or that of anyone I know. Maybe it depends on who you know?

Funny you should say this, because it matches the profile of many furries I've had the displeasure of running into.

[Pi]

Pinkuh started dating a black guy

This is probably the reason. Of course, we'll never know why the journal went away, or why the random shitstain is banned, because FA has even less administrative accountability than the Bush Administration.

Anyway.

I live in an area with a high "brown people" (NB: spic, not nigger) population. The furry group is made up of people with a few brown-person names (myself included) but overall, white sensibilities. Make of that what you will.

That said, I like to consider myself as fairly lacking in racial prejudice. I (try to) only care whether or not you're a fucking moron. I hate stupid people. Yet furry is overwhelmingly populated by a vocal majority of goddamn idiots. Maybe the darkies that DOUK NOUK EM knows and hangs out with are smarter than the average whitebread lackwit furfag.

[rodox_video]

Race is an old, outdated divisive factor anyway. What really matters is wealth.

If furries are awkward around people who aren't white, it's because they're awkward around everyone period.

[Dr. Dos]

Expected this thread to be about use of the word coon in furry.

[[AG]]

Based on personal experiences I feel that its more of a common sense issue than straight racism. This may come on the racist side, but it seems that Caucasians seem to have a higher percent of people with low self esteem and self respect. Over the years of meeting furries I learned that those that were able to carry an intellectual conversation were those that sooner than later "dropped" out of the furry community. In high school I played sports, went to the parks and malls, even hiking when I could. My furry friends then, who were primarily white, would all be at home playing video games all day, D&D, and trying to avoid talking to strangers or going into public at all. Drama always seemed to be the point of furmeets too as opposed to what I was briefed on that would go on. Every single local meet there would be one "regular" missing and thus becoming the point of conversation as the new furs were filled in on all the drama revolving around that fur and all that shit. I quickly found myself sitting away from the group with one or two others, drawing on my sketchbook and introducing ourselves and eventually became targets for fake rumors and drama. I found myself pulling out of those meets and wound up forming my own with those I actually enjoyed the company of and were also smart enough to not get involved in all the drama. It wasn't till one of my last meets I realized there was only one white guy in my group and the rest were Hispanic, black, Korean, and Indian (dot, not feather). I try not to judge people by their race, but it seems that Caucasians are more antisocial, weak, and often live a lonely sedentary lifestyle (even around othes they manage to represent themselves as loaners, loaners in group form). Other races seem to have a higher number of people that like to put their brain to work on other things than gossip and making snappy comebacks in arguments as well as physical activities other than sex (or cyber sex in most furries cases). Then again, of the rare breed of furs that aren't Caucasian, the number of intelligent ones is even smaller. I gave up on trying to network in the community when I met a Mexican Nazi fur... I didn't know whether to cry or pistol whip him into reality so I just walked away. Its a worthless battle anyway once someone reached that point where the line between reality and fantasy cannot be defined.

[ProvincialTwit]

Holy shit learn to use your enter key.

[DOUK NOUK EM]

I gave up on trying to network in the community when I met a Mexican Nazi fur...

I would have shit myself with rage.

Actually, nah, I wouldn't have.  I've been exposed to too much.

[LordNagetiere]

I try not to judge people by their race, but it seems that Caucasians are more antisocial, weak, and often live a lonely sedentary lifestyle

"I'm not racist, but..." Is like the world's oldest bullshit alarm. I'm only really posting though because I'm pissed that I was beaten to pointing out paragraphical genocide.

[Dr. Dos]

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3439272/ relevant

[DOUK NOUK EM]

Palm, face.  Face, palm.

[ProvincialTwit]

Haha nice canine head on that raccoon.  gg furries, gg.

[LordNagetiere]

Basically the same joke as Nig Zag, but instead of lolling at hyper speed suddenly we're far removed from this kind of insulting humor.