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Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« on: December 30, 2009, 07:24:16 pm »
So it was found out that some of the images Scappo posted up to his paysite or whatever it is were traced. This got out to lulz.net.

Overlays were made... (NSFW obviously)
http://i48.tinypic.com/14ah2zo.jpg

Anyway, he had a shitstorm on FA, which basically was a lot of whining and back and forth between people over whether or not referencing was okay (ignoring it's a paysite, and he was tracing not referencing) and all that rot.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1118996/

So the damage is he quit the fandom and took it as a personal attack that someone called him out on this. The world still turns, but few times has the word 'troll' been used so loosely.
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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2010, 03:13:29 am »
Really!? Hadn't quite expected this. *chuckles* well at least it had a 'happy' ending.
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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 05:41:22 pm »
Thank you for posting the text of the journal when it was certain to be deleted later on.  From December 30th, titled "Okay…so I FUCKING SUCK."

Quote from: Scappo
I’m not perfect.

There, I’ve admitted it. Wow, that was so incredibly difficult…but not really. That was far too easy. Let me go ahead and crucify myself, since it seems to be the only thing that will make certain people happy. I’m here to make all of you happy, of course. Why, you guys pay my paycheck every month, so I’ll “come clean”. Not to say that I think there’s anything to “confess” about. But anyways…

I am still a developing artist. As the great Michaelangelo said on his death bed, “Ancora Imparo”. Translation, “I am still [FUCKING] learning” (expletive added). I have never claimed to be the greatest artist in the land. Never. If I ever have, please let me know when I did so and I’ll take it back, right now.

In fact, just in case I ever did say it, I take it back.

So having said all that, I’ll say this:

I, on occasion, have used reference pics of real porn to base my illustrations off of. There. Happy now? I am so sorry that I used random porn pics that I found on the internet to learn and to produce nice looking furry porn for everyone. Here’s the crossbeam, here’s the nails. Crucify me. I deserve to be executed because I’m such a horrid person. I’ve ripped everyone off because I didn’t completely reinvent the wheel-o-pornography every time I set stylus to tablet. I’ve shamed every artist that has evolved beyond the need to ever, ever look at real life in order to get it right.

I FEEL FUCKING TERRIBLE.

There. I hope I’ve made someone happy.

Thank you to all the people that realize that referencing has to happen if you want your porn to look ZOMG FAPPABLE GOOD. And to all of you that want my blood because I drew a pic based on a random .gif I found on the internet for a paysite? Here. Take it. It’s yours. I throw myself at the mercy of the court.

If I had referenced an image that actually belonged to someone I could understand the concern of the multiple trolls that have been crawling up my spine all day...but a random pic I found on the net that has no copyright info (and not even a decent name I could credit anywhere on it anyway?)....seriously people, what's the big deal. Honestly.

But you know what? You’re right. I should never, EVER base a picture I draw on a real life photograph. This is SO wrong that it’s unspeakable. I’m going to be going on hiatus while I learn to draw without “ZOMG REFERENCING/TRACING/WHATEVER”. I’ll leave my horribly traced gallery (LOL I wonder how many of my commissions I referenced? Oh yeah…that’s right….NONE) up for everyone since I’m not one of those types that will go through and delete his entire gallery for the sake of a group of pretentious bastards.

Other than that, I’ll see you around FA. I’ll be back when I can draw without ever looking at real life. Don’t know how long that will be.

*ninja vanish*

After the trace and the overlay were posted, a few regular users at Lulz took a professional interest in Scappo.  Dave, Usk, and others threw Scappo a polite personal message, and Eric Schwartz was contacted about the traced art that appeared on FurAfterDark.  The response to this was the rant posted above, which lives on strawmen and deliberately confuses the line between referencing life and tracing.  Scappo, no surprise, did not follow through on the threat to quit drawing.  He's come back with several pieces, like this, and these are so poorly drawn compared to his traced works that we have no doubt he's trying to do this on his own.

Through it all, few people seem to recognize that tracing actually makes an artist lazy and ignorant of important artistic elements... anatomy and lighting really stand out in Scappo's case.  If you want your artists to improve, don't let them Xerox bodies then slap animal heads on the finished work.
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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 06:58:35 am »
I had the complete text, it just wasn't in HTML format and frankly nobody seemed to care... The comments section was an even bigger trainwreck of BAAW though, with staunch apologists defending tracing in one hand and then claiming it wasn't traced on the second.
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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2012, 04:29:39 am »
Allegedly the fool has returned to his folly. Starfinder/Kannos (who herself has a reputation for tracing and ripping off commissioners) has complained that he twice copied work she submitted as test pieces for sexyfur (a furry porn paysite):

Quote from: Kannos
SexyFur Ripoff - EVERYONE READ! *UPDATED*
Something was brought to my attention today, and I am not pleased at ALL. In fact, I am downright livid.

In 2008, I had drawn a sketch of myself and my boyfriend engaging in some naughty fun. I had never finished it, but it had been posted on FA back then. In 2010, I entertained the idea of working for the popular paysite, Sexyfur.com. I was discussing the matter with Scappo, and had played around with the idea of using that sketch, with generic characters swapped in, as a possible submission piece for SexyFur. However, in the end I chose not to supply art to the website, even though two sketches were seen and I was given the green light. I was never paid for any work as I had not actually produced anything for the website.

Recently, this submission by Scappo was brought to my attention. It's for the SexyFur website.

http://www.furaffinity.net/full/7552212/

I did a double take. No, I did a triple take. That's MY work there, in that image. Yes, he re-drew it, but it was my work. So I scoured my backup drives (this, kids, is why backups are of paramount importance) and sure enough I was able to dig up my original sketch...from 2008.

http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg609/genericdump/scappothief.jpg

I am greatly displeased. Not only was my idea/pose/work being used, but it's being used so someone else can profit off of it. He never asked permission to do this, and it's been up already for over four months.

Spread the news, folks, and if ANY of you have ever considered submitting to SexyFur but didn't, check his submissions to make sure he didn't yank your ideas and submit it anyway!

EDIT: Not only did he do it once..he did it twice!

http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg609/genericdump/scappothief2.jpg
   

https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=47130

On a side note, Sexyfur now takes subscriptions in bitcoins:

Quote from: Scappo
BITCOIN DISCOUNT PROMO ON SEXYFUR AND TAILHEAT

We have a new automated Bitcoin signup system in place on both sites! As a limited-time promotion, we are offering discounted memberships for $15 for those who sign up with Bitcoin. If you'd like more information about bitcoins and how to purchase them, here's are a few good places to start:

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3366527/
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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 02:59:31 pm »
This strikes me as a lot of overreacting, honestly. There's only so many sex poses, you can't seriously get upset and start acting like you own copyright over any of them (not to mention that there are clear differences).

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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2012, 03:24:44 pm »
Scappo's response:

Quote from: Scappo
Recently I was made aware of a troubling situation involving Starfinder, or “Kannos” as she's known in some circles. To put it bluntly, I used a pose in one of her sketches in one of my Sexyfur submissions earlier this year (which has recently been removed from the site). Yes, I know this was wrong, but I'd like a chance to explain why I did what I did.

A couple of years ago, Starfinder approached us at Sexyfur and asked to work with us. We liked her work, and agreed to let her work with the website. We have a “sketches first” policy, so she sent in a few of them, which we approved them all.

Shortly thereafter, she took down her galleries, and seemingly disappeared...not letting us know that she wasn't  interested in working with the site anymore. What's more, she had stated in one of her journals that she was no longer interested in doing adult artwork. I was disappointed at this, since I really liked one of the poses that she had drawn.

I waited for quite some time (1 1/2 years) to see if she would change her mind and perhaps come back, but unfortunately that didn't happen. I figured that since she wasn't interested in finishing the image anyway, there would be no harm in using the same position in an image of my own.

This was a horribly wrong assumption.

As you can imagine I'm incredibly embarrassed at my own shortsightedness and unprofessional behavior. I apologize to her and to anyone I may have offended with what I've done. I also apologize to all of the artists that work with the site, and promise that the same won't happen to you.  Bernal has already been made aware of the situation and I've already made amends to both him and Starfinder for my error. Whether or not you're able to look past my fault, there it is. All I can say is that I'll try to learn from my mistake. That's all anyone can do honestly.

https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=47208

Starfinder's:

Quote from: Starfinder
Alright folks, so Scappo did get a hold of me and he explained his side of the matter, which was that he saw that I had not finished the ideas that were sent as concepts and was considering (at the time) stopping adult art all together, so he liked the ideas/poses and wanted to use them. Was it right that he did so without asking? No. But he understands how it made me feel, why I got offended, and is going to take down the images and post a formal apology. I am very glad that he has been so civil about the matter, since I know some folks can be very defensive when it comes to situations like this. It goes to show that just because someone is 'popufur' doesn't make them unreasonable. It seems like he genuinely didn't know that I would get upset about it, and probably didn't know that those images were such importance to me, or that the one that was in limbo was to be picked up by another person who wanted to see it completed after the original commissioner backed out of it.

As of now, I consider the issue resolved, so please do not harass him further. Thank you to those who were civil and helped to get his attention, but now the matter is done so we can all relax.

https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=47203
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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2012, 08:15:01 pm »
Why do furries care so much about this tracing?

I mean, I've never heard normal guys bitch about how last month's Hustler centerfold pose looked just like Playboy's... It's porn, it's supposed to make you horny so you fap. That's it. Who cares how they drew it if it does the job. Stop being pretentious. At the end of the day you're still looking at furry porn and talking about your fetishes. You aren't an art critic.

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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 08:39:58 pm »
It's not even tracing we talk about here, it's just reusing a pose he once saw. Yeah, that's something unprecedented among porn artists, alright...

It's not like these girl can hold any rights over something as basic as a pose. What's next, cries of ART THIEVERY!!1 if somebody uses the same color(s) as your murrsona?

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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2012, 10:56:43 pm »
I'm sick and tired of hearing about this "tracing" shit. Seriously. It's not as if the person put no effort into their "traced" art. They still sat down and lifted a pen and drew lines and probably even changed some stuff to make it it their "own".

Do furries throw a fit when they see "reproductions" of famous art on sale at stores? They should! That artist TRACED the Mona Lisa, after all!

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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2012, 12:40:53 am »
Complaining about reproduction itself is absurd, since all art is reproduction. There's a distinct difference between the example in the OP and the examples further down - in the example in the OP, the artist clearly drew over another image to get the pose, as illustrated by the fact you can overlap the two as they did. In the latter he recreated a pose from scratch - the person trying to call him out on it is just being an opportunist, and you can tell because they deliberately DIDN'T provide an overlap (since that would discredit their argument).

Tracing is an artistic shortcut - it's lazy. If you were a competent artist, the idea goes, you wouldn't need to trace over someone else's work to get a pose right - you could look at it, then go back to your piece of paper and recreate it because you have the requisite knowledge of anatomy and perspective.

Where it falls down is Scappo is a competent artist and isn't copying the entire piece verbatim - he's just using the pose and has added extra touches to make it a new work.

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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2012, 08:24:51 am »
To be honest the whole 'you traced this! Now you suck' is something so pathetic and cheap it's utterly retarded. Even the most professional and talented artists out there use references, photos, live models, props or any other such stuff for their works, and yes, even tracing.

There are more important things to criticize in art than tracing.

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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2012, 11:25:37 am »
sure is a lot of defensiveness and missing of the point going around in here

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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2012, 12:05:22 pm »
Do furries throw a fit when they see "reproductions" of famous art on sale at stores? They should! That artist TRACED the Mona Lisa, after all!

another thing ive noticed is how this apple and this orange are really disparate in form, even though they are both fruit.

whats up with that

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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2012, 11:07:05 pm »
hey guys remember that there's a big difference between referencing something and directly tracing it
thank you for your time

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Re: Scappo tracing dramabomb.
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2012, 05:18:15 pm »
Through it all, few people seem to recognize that tracing actually makes an artist lazy and ignorant of important artistic elements... anatomy and lighting really stand out in Scappo's case.  If you want your artists to improve, don't let them Xerox bodies then slap animal heads on the finished work.

let's see if scappo's improved in the past two and a half years

nope, guess i was wrong!
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