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Furry article in the BBC news magazine
« on: November 13, 2009, 06:36:58 am »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8355287.stm

It's off the back of the castration murder plan case. Nothing new really, you've probably read it all before. The same old self-appointed community spokespersons and tedious artists pontificating etc. The typical claims re sex, saying that it's only a "small part" of furry. Probably the comments won't be anything that hasn't happened before either, tho' at least Greenreaper hasn't commented yet.

The article isn't very well written from the perspective of being concise and informative in my opinion, but that's journalists for you.

I particularly like the idea of the furry scene having it's own literature(!). How long till gay-coming-of-age sex stories with a fox tail tacked on are pored over by earnest young students in-between To kill a mocking bird and Othello.

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A court case where the two defendants met on a "furry" website has put the spotlight in this little-known world. So what is a furry?

Lenya looks adorable, with lots of glossy white fur, black paws, a shiny pink nose and cute little pointed ears. But Lenya is also a 48-year-old computer network administrator called Marshall Woods, who likes motor racing, visiting museums and reading crime novels in his spare time.

Mr Woods is what is known as a furry and Lenya is a "fursona" he has created, which he described as a "sort of space weasel". As part of getting into character he wears a handmade, full-size fursuit. Furry Fandom, furrydom, furdom - it's called many things - has momentarily found itself in the spotlight in the UK, due to a court case where the two defendants met on a furry website. It is a largely unknown scene and participants have been happy to keep it that way, feeling they are often misunderstood. So what is a furry?

No standard definition exists but generally furries are people who have a fascination with anthropomorphic animals. These are animals that are given human traits, like walking and talking. They can be anything from cartoons characters like Bugs Bunny to computer game personalities like Pokemon. The scene has its own art, animation, comic books and literature, but activities are largely conducted online - where furries adopt "fursonas" for role playing. But for some it is about meeting other furries in person. Groups around the world meet regularly and there are conventions in the US, UK, Germany, Mexico, France, Russia and Brazil.

Petting and scratching

Furries say the scene is about creativity, freedom and community; being who you want to be among like-minded people. "You get to choose what and who you are. Imagination is OK, no matter what your age," says Mark Merlino, a founding member of the furry culture in the US and known as Sylys Sable on the scene. But, inevitably perhaps, there's a sexual element too. In a recent court case in the UK, two men who met on a furry website, and shared sexual role-playing fantasies, were convicted of plotting to kill one of the pair's adoptive parents. Christopher Monks, from Lancashire, and Shaun Skarnes, from Cheshire, were found guilty of meticulously preparing the killings via the internet. They are currently awaiting sentence.

Furries will not thank the pair for casting their hobby in a negative light, and tend to argue the sexual side is hugely overplayed. "I think the problem is that sex sells," says Ian Wolf (his furry pseudonym), who is editor of the British furry news website, FurteanTimes.com. "It is not surprising that less scrupulous journalists like to print stories about people having sex dressed as foxes." Some furries assume animal traits - known as zoomorphism - and indentify strongly with certain species. This can range from adopting an online persona to wearing a tail or full-sized fur suits like Mr Woods.

Exhilarating

"Fursuiters", as they are called, bemoan society's inhibitions and look admiring at the animal kingdom where creatures have more freedom to be expressive. Touching, petting, hugging and "skritching" (lightly scratching and grooming) is common at social gatherings. And most do not remove their costumes in public areas, to prevent breaking the illusion. "There's a magic moment when you put a costume on and see yourself in the mirror," says Mr Woods. "It's simultaneously disorienting and exhilarating. You actually do feel that you've changed for just a moment." Anthrozoologist, Kathy Gerbasi, who studies human-animal interactions and furries, has witnessed furry interaction first-hand.

"People say that being in a fur suit allows you to do things you might not otherwise do, like dance in public, clown around, give people a hug," she says. She argues furries are just taking something that most of us do a few steps further. "I think most humans grow up interested in animals. We grow up with teddy bears, pets, Mickey Mouse, etc. Animals surround us in advertisements, nature, stories and fables. "Humans tend to anthropomorphise as a way of understanding and interpreting the world around us. Furries just take this interest a bit further than most people." But a small minority take it further still - believing they are animals trapped in human bodies, or consider themselves to be part animal. A study by Ms Gerbasi at one furry convention found about a quarter of the participants did not consider themselves 100% human.

She is currently researching this in relation to gender identity disorder, when people feel they are the wrong sex and trapped in the wrong body. She says currently unpublished data supports the hypothesis that there are similarities. She is calling it species identity disorder.

'Mystified'

"On art galleries, I'd say the gender ratio is pretty balanced. A lot of the furry artists are female." Very little research has been done on the furry world. This is probably because many behavioural scientists are not really aware of their existence, says Ms Gerbasi. When I presented an interactive session at an identity conference in 2007 people were mystified," she says. "If you tell people about furries they often think you are kidding or making it up. Also, due to bad publicity, furries have not been cooperative about being studied."

Furries argue it is the persistent misconceptions about them that keeps the scene private. "The big misconception is that most furries are mainly obsessed with sex," says Mr Wolf. "While there is pornography in the fandom - 'yiff' as it is known - it is only a small part." So what do they say when someone thinks being a furry is weird?

"I would say that we are just free thinkers who let our minds expand to create these weird and wonderful characters," says Mr Wolf.

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As a fursuiter myself, I find the condescending tone of this piece a little distateful. At the end of the day, what is wrong with like minded individuals dressing up and having fun?
Lennard Owen, Leeds, West Yorkshire

A very British response surely.
then he hent that noble prince by the hand,
and said "welcome my soueraigne King HENERY!
chalenge thy Herytage and thy Land,
that thine owne is, and thine shall bee."

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Re: Furry article in the BBC news magazine
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2009, 09:25:18 am »
surely this comment is not serious:

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I hate to burst the bubble of this hard-researched article, but I'm going to have to point out that everything that you see before you - the entire furry fluffy scene - isn't really a pop culture movement at all, it's just a sub genre of a much large movement called Cosplay (Short for Costume Play) that originates in Japan. While furries may be an acquired taste in the UK and US, Cosplay is considered a mainstream hobby in Japan. It's sort of like being a Trekkie. Furries are just Cosplay enthusiasts who dress up as furry animals, whereas pure Cosplay enthusiasts dress up and/or role play in all manner of costumes, from established cartoon and video game characters to their own creation. Both of the furry kind, and of the not so furry kind.

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Hmmm:

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All a bit of harmless fun and then Ms Gerbasi coins "Species Identity Disorder". That is a virulent term which will serve to lend legitimacy to a deranged minority of this subculture. These people are not the "wrong species" and should not be given any reason to think that the positive feelings that they get when wearing a fursuit makes this so. If somebody was genuinely an "animal inside a human body", then they would be stark naked, defecating in public and fighting each other over the right to procreate, presumably with members of their true species.

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then he hent that noble prince by the hand,
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chalenge thy Herytage and thy Land,
that thine owne is, and thine shall bee."

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Re: Furry article in the BBC news magazine
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2009, 02:26:14 pm »
Furries have got to be the most tedious people ever to write an article about.  No matter what you write you get the same canned responses. 

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Re: Furry article in the BBC news magazine
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2009, 01:47:18 am »
I just know I'm going to regret posting this, but fuck it. Marshall (better known as "Ostrich!", yeah with the exclamation point) is such an attention whore. Set down a reporter in the vicinity and along he'll gallop, eager to set the hapless victim straight on What Furry Is Really About. If you take his own behavior as a model, then What Furry Is Really About is ruling his little mailing list fiefdom with an iron fist; squashing dissent by kicking out anyone who fails to follow his incredibly vague rules about language and etiquette; getting all e-lawyer at anyone who posts messages from it in public (note lack of an archive); filling up his LiveJournal with recycled Fox News soundbites delivered with the smug superiority of someone who knows what's really going on (snrk); and getting away with it all because of the nice-looking (if a bit shabby due to cheap Walmart-purchased materials) fursuits he builds. But then that's furry fandom for you, isn't it?

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Re: Furry article in the BBC news magazine
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2009, 06:32:42 am »
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I hate to burst the bubble of this hard-researched article, but I'm going to have to point out that everything that you see before you - the entire furry fluffy scene - isn't really a pop culture movement at all, it's just a sub genre of a much large movement called Cosplay (Short for Costume Play) that originates in Japan. While furries may be an acquired taste in the UK and US, Cosplay is considered a mainstream hobby in Japan. It's sort of like being a Trekkie. Furries are just Cosplay enthusiasts who dress up as furry animals, whereas pure Cosplay enthusiasts dress up and/or role play in all manner of costumes, from established cartoon and video game characters to their own creation. Both of the furry kind, and of the not so furry kind.

-Reader

Why do people like this exist? I bet he'll be all up in your shit if you call it anime instead of animu or pronounce manga the the wrong way.

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Re: Furry article in the BBC news magazine
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 08:39:28 pm »
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I hate to burst the bubble of this hard-researched article, but I'm going to have to point out that everything that you see before you - the entire furry fluffy scene - isn't really a pop culture movement at all, it's just a sub genre of a much large movement called Cosplay (Short for Costume Play) that originates in Japan. While furries may be an acquired taste in the UK and US, Cosplay is considered a mainstream hobby in Japan. It's sort of like being a Trekkie. Furries are just Cosplay enthusiasts who dress up as furry animals, whereas pure Cosplay enthusiasts dress up and/or role play in all manner of costumes, from established cartoon and video game characters to their own creation. Both of the furry kind, and of the not so furry kind.

-Reader

Why do people like this exist? I bet he'll be all up in your shit if you call it anime instead of animu or pronounce manga the the wrong way.

Weeaboos make me want to firebomb Tokyo again.

Racial Identity Disorder (RID)
MOM FOR THE LAST TIME ITS NOT ANIMES ITS ANIME