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News Media / Re: Yet another vehicular death
« on: February 16, 2014, 04:26:35 am »
There was a brief thing that popped up on reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/1xqh1g/about_tim/) - posted by his brother, mind you, not by a furry. Otherwise, yeah.  Even something to help cover the funeral costs would have been helpful, that's several thousand dollars at least.

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Other Topics / Parody Anthrocon account on Twitter
« on: July 03, 2013, 08:11:57 am »
This account has been disappointingly quiet for the past couple of days.  I'm hoping it picks up now that the con is about to start:

https://twitter.com/AC_ConOops

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Other Topics / Re: Furry artist removed from Equestria LA con
« on: June 25, 2013, 06:05:16 pm »
In Roz Gibson's post, when people were guessing, there's "K.D." mentioned (Kevin Duane, obviously) - I'm curious who "S.K." is.  Anyone know?

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Other Topics / Furry artist removed from Equestria LA con
« on: June 23, 2013, 08:53:12 pm »
From Roz Gibson's Livejournal (http://martes.livejournal.com/818618.html)

"One funny bit of news I heard there was a furry artist we all know and love (take a wild guess who) was forcibly removed from Brony con LA (My Little Pony fan convention) for selling pornography.  The con had a stated PG rating.  After being repeatedly driven out of the dealer's room, he tried selling the stuff in the lobby of the hotel, which was packed with families going to and from Disneyland.  Eventually he was removed from the premises altogether."

It's rumor-mill material, so take it with a huge helping of salt.  The discussion eventually revealed it was Steve Martin, and a later commenter provided info that sounded a little more focused:

"Have it on the word of someone who was there on staff that the artist in question wasn't trying to sell it from the lobby. He was told to remove all the adult material from his table, which he did, putting it either in his room or car. After that, a con staffer was buying some non-adult prints, and in a casual "let's check up on this" way, asked if he had any adult stuff. Of course, artist in question immediately said he did, and that he would gladly sell them to him from his car/room. Nope, sorry, wrong response, thanks for playing. They ejected him."

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Scandal! / Book reviews; FE
« on: February 01, 2013, 07:15:54 pm »
A couple of days ago, someone asked me if I knew anything about recent drama surrounding a furry book review.  I hadn't, however the next day there was a related LJ post by Chipotle. What was the offending review, and from whom?  I'm guessing here - alas, things were yanked - based a Twitter post on Jan 20, that shortly after FC, Isiah Jacobs (aka FurReview) ripped into Kyell Gold's Winter Games.

A day or two later, Jacobs posted a second video which was linked to on Flayrah, reviewing... I forget, some sort of children's book? My brain glazed over while it played in another window.  Suddenly at the end, he started shouting how it deserved to be nominated for the next Ursa Majors, far more than Kyell's books, which he said recycled the same plotline over and over.  A day later, the video and the Flayrah article were gone, and an apology video appeared.  A day or two following that, Kyell voluntarily withdrew himself from this year's Ursas, so someone else could win for a change.  The Flayrah article gets into a side-discussion of whether the voting pool for the Coyotl Awards is any much different.

In more immediate drama - just in its early stages, could simply be a minor hissyfit that might fizzle out - FirestormSix has parted ways with Furnal Equinox, only 5 weeks before the start of the convention.

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Scandal! / Re: 2gryphon's Child porn production busted! (Not really.)
« on: July 14, 2012, 08:17:29 pm »
If it did actually happen, the way it's told has too many unanswered questions and doesn't make sense, so it could be he's drumming it up for theatrical purposes, kind of like Mike Daisey and his Apple Factory story on NPR.  While listening to the Furcast podcast tonight, they believed the story but also questioned or at least made fun of most of the details.  The closest thing they could find for an excuse for a raid was this video clip (at about 0:34) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fib4gFtTO2A - and mentioned something about one of 2's neighbors being pissed off because he converted his garage into a recording space.

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Other Topics / Re: FC2012 TIMELY REPORT
« on: January 21, 2012, 12:50:52 am »
Generally in any fandom you go through a progression.  Early on, it's going nuts partying, buying stuff, maybe attending panels. If you stick around long enough, it eventually becomes about hanging out with friends with a relaxed attitude. Maybe you don't even care that much for the fandom at that point, but it's a convenient annual meeting point, and you can still pop your head into the dealer's room and look around briefly. You save your energy and chill.

Peganthyrus is a nice enough person from what I've encountered, but has a better-artistic-aspirations-than-you attitude that comes and goes.  The VCL Sieve, for example.  Given that her animation work was for John K., who's pretty blunt about his opinions toward the fandom, I wonder if it had any effect on her attitude as well.

In terms of fandom associations vs. porn vs. professional career, I've heard mutually conflicting claims. Some folks whose bosses didn't really give a fuck (show up and do your work) and some where it didn't go over well.  I think what employers want is for their employees to get the work done and act professional.  If you've got stuff going on the side, it's best that it stay there, as separate from your day job as possible.  Herbie Bearclaw is an animator who got burned when some of his (pretty tame) porn and beefcake sketches leaked out.  I don't know if anyone remembers when Wookiee/Nakira's adult art on Furnation would occasionally vanish without notice - it's because his brother, a professional animator working on motion pictures, would catch shit over it.  But then I've heard of other part-time furry artists holding down art, animation and illustration jobs with no problem.

On the subject of this year's FC, a really negative con report turned up in this podcast, the segment from 10 minutes in to 33 minutes.  All the people in the podcast are Furry Fiesta staffers. Kyo (the one giving the report) is the most annoying and useless contributor of them all - but he really surprised me here by being more informative and coherent than pretty much everything he's said in the last dozen podcast episodes combined. Not counting the episodes where he was away, which were blissful.  It's good to hear he's got a critical mind, when he makes the effort to turn off the twink.  The podcasters don't seem to be aware that the problems mostly stem from FC's staff turnover policy.

(Edit: added link to brother)

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Other Topics / Re: Bitter Lake Review
« on: November 19, 2011, 11:31:42 am »
He's come up with a great scheme to take the throne, and he's doing it simply because he's butthurt that he was called a retard. No, I'm serious. That's seriously what he says. They called him a name and he's mad and out for revenge.

On top of that, he says he was deliberately pretending to be a halfwit, so it's his own damn fault and he's still butthurt about it!

I agree with the music and camera work being good.  I totally missed the radiator in that shot though; that's hilarious!  The whole thing has potential, but the story really dragged it down. It spent so much time explaining the rivalries and politics and then suddenly everyone ends up dead, so it doesn't feel like the set-up was worth it.

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News Media / Re: Furocity is no more
« on: November 08, 2011, 09:44:32 am »
I really don't get it... in the world of here-today, leaving-the-fandom-tomorrow furry art sites, how in the hell did FA gain so much traction?

I'd have to check on the timing, but I think the reason FA took off was... well, there wasn't much anywhere else. The old furry art sites sucked, had died or were ignored - DeviantArt was popular but didn't allow porn; then yGallery and SheezyArt banned furry art from their sites, so people were flailing around and FA happened to be in the right place at the right time.

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Scandal! / Re: Morphicon's Security Head Arrested for.....
« on: August 15, 2011, 09:43:38 pm »
I met Ostrich once, back around 2000 or 2001.  He seemed ok at the time, but within the next year, the Vanity Fair article came out.  In retrospect, I felt much more creeped out knowing that I'd met him at a general SF con, Millennicon, where he was in charge of the Children's entertainment track and taking care of people's kids. He was already at the top of the Ohio furry social scene, which was really getting into fursuiting at the time, especially him and some other guy, Panda I think - it's been a while.

While we're on the subject of Morphicon staff, Trickster has written furry porn involving hermaphrodite robot bunnies raping people.


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Have you knuckleheads forgotten that the whole 'furry' thing spawned from sci-fi cons to begin with?  Among the current generation of furfags, sure, sci-fi and furry cons are a "rare cross-over"; but go back 15 years to when Confurence was the only 'furry' game in town and the cross-over was still pretty significant.

Nope, haven't forgotten; I was talking about the current generation, so I agree with you.

Citation fucking needed. I can't think of any con-going furries I have met who don't also attend anime and/or sci-fi cons.
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Yes, I realize that is a big load of anecdotal evidence, and probably biased by the fact that Comic-Con and Anime Expo are both less than an hour from my house.

I think we're both citing anecdotal evidence.  I've lived in two cities (one big, one small) and the majority of furries in both places weren't all that interested in attending other types of conventions, it was 20% at most.  They were least interested in SF, more for anime, and a little bit more if it was a generalist comic-con-mixed-with-other-stuff kind of event.  I've been to Worldcon a couple of times and the furry attendance is negligible - not surprising, as the registration fees are huge - but even most furries from the SF crowd of 15 years ago with a disposable income don't bother to go. I've never been able to attend the really big events, SDCC, DragonCon, so it's quite possible I'm simply in the wrong places at the wrong times.

Anyway, I'm quite willing to cede the point if other people are seeing something different. Don't mind being wrong! Sure it can feel like a slap to the face, but I like having my biases shoved back at me. Gets me thinking, makes me understand things from a different perspective, whether I agree with it or not.  And on Vivisector, it simply wouldn't be the place it is if a slap to the face or a kick to the nuts wasn't thrown in for good measure.

Oh god now I sound all happy-feely.  FUCK!

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What ProvincialTwit said. I don't know how Kage hooked onto the Dorsai, who were originally created as security teams for science-fiction conventions because rent-a-cops didn't understand geek behavior at cons and were even worse control freaks.  Security for Anthrocon back around 2000 was handled by a group of furries of which the core originated from the Ottawa/Montreal area and - what do you know - the head guy was a military and gun enthusiast. Ten years later, not much change. In this 2011 video, he's the guy in the beret.

One advantage of the Dorsai is that if some furry idiot is causing trouble, they're not immersed enough in the fandom to care about popularity wars based on whoever the idiot says he knows, trying to get out of trouble.  Unfortunately the same lack of immersion means they're less beholden to repercussions if their members start throwing their weight around.

Another unusual thing about the Dorsai is that they work at both science-fiction and furry conventions - a rare cross-over.  Furry fandom is pretty insular in that most of its members don't go to non-furry conventions, though there's the occasional fursuiter or anime fan and such.  And most people who go to anime and SF conventions stay the heck away from furry conventions.  So I'm curious what stories about Anthrocon the Dorsai take with them to tell the SF crowd.

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News Media / Re: Self-proclaimed furry charged for abusing a child
« on: April 19, 2011, 10:09:33 pm »
"Self-proclaimed" is rather redundant - *all* furries are self-proclaimed.

Not that there was ever any clear definition of furry to begin with, but after the alt.lifestyle.furry bunch decided that "a person's 'furry lifestyle' is whatever the person concerned asserts that it is", furry doesn't mean much except some kind of vague interest in animals.  Which for some might be only an excuse to find like-minded people for whom looking at fantasy pedo art is acceptable.

Looking at fchan /ah/, I've no idea what animal anthropomorphism has to do with voyeurism, bee stings, diapers, sock bondage (I don't even know what that is), inflation, farting, mummifcation, watersports, amputees, or torture.  But then, the lifestyler FAQ also said, "No one has the right to judge whether or not how someone lives their life is better or worse than another; that is simply a matter of personal taste."  It's annoying to see how some people in the fandom have taken full advantage of that poorly thought-out philosophy.

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Non Topics / Re: ED = finally dead?
« on: April 13, 2011, 12:22:03 pm »
While you could never quite trust the content of any ED article on furries - except where screenshots were involved - if someone ended up with an article there, it was usually a damn good indicator of specific people in the fandom to stay away from. I'll miss that - but not anything else.

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News Media / Re: A fucking amazing Flayrah post
« on: April 05, 2011, 10:10:04 am »
We may never see these ads; some enterprising individuals on Lulz.net tried to find them a year or two ago and were unsuccessful. Most zines from that period are hideously rare or just plain lost. It is pretty clear at this point that if it ever existed it wasn't exactly an ADVERTIZING BLITZKRIEG, but that doesn't mean that people should stop looking.

Okay, this is creepy - I started looking into this urban legend a couple of weeks ago and now this thread comes up.  Haven't had the patience to read through the Flayrah posts yet, but here's what I've found out so far.

It looks like ConFurence was indeed mentioned in a 1997 sex zine.  Did Merlino solicit the zine to include CF, or did the magazine mention the convention on their own accord?  What's certain is that Rod caught wind of it before it was published and made a very rare alt.fan.furry post - he was *not* happy about having the con mentioned. Also, the zine appeared after CF8, when the gay lifestyle element was already entrenched with plenty of momentum - so Merlino didn't need to advertise. My current feeling is that the urban legand of FC actively promoting itself in sex mags is bullshit. Still, I'm curious to know what was actually mentioned in the zine.

The zine in question was issue #10 of 'Black Sheets', edited by a guy named Bill Brent in California.  The title of the issue was "Bestiality and Glamor!" The only description of it I could find was by someone named Rko Lynx.  There do seem to be copies for sale here and there, if anyone has $30 they want to lose. I'm definitely not ordering a copy.

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Scandal! / Re: Nakamacon canceled
« on: March 14, 2011, 02:34:34 pm »
The whole thing's got me curious about a couple of things. First off, "We didn't start this convention but we wanted it to live on. Last year, this con was a mess ..." - So, was it like a regular first-year-of-con-what-are-we-doing?? not-ready-for-more-people-than-we-expected kind of mess, or was it an unusual, more messy mess due to other, more interesting reasons? Why aren't the people who ran it the first year doing it the second?  Was it a total change of staff or were some people working both years?

What I'm more curious about is who brought the con together in the first place.  It's more typical for furry cons to split off of Science Fiction conventions.  Even the huge, major cons that have side-tracks for anime, RPG, etc. don't usually have a furry track aside from a rare token panel. Nakamacon was an attempt to provide space for furry *and* anime *and* steampunk.  Were the top con organizers primarily furry with anime/steampunk side-interests who wanted to run a multifandom convention, or were the organizers primarily anime/steampunk who made an unusual reach-out to furry?

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Other Topics / Re: The 'whatever happened to...' thread
« on: February 20, 2011, 12:26:50 am »
I don't want to think I killed the potential momentum of this subject with my reply, so... um... er... oh!  What happened to Sibe?  Is he still on parole for stuff?  Didn't Rabbit Valley or someone sue him for lost sales?  Did they manage to get any money out of him?

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Other Topics / Re: The 'whatever happened to...' thread
« on: February 19, 2011, 09:42:26 am »
That would be Darrel Exline.  Long and short of it is, best of intentions, horrible execution.  He made a lot of bad decisions that he owned up to, and the whole thing left him understandably bitter. I wasn't at the last Conference, which had about 470 people.  Some camera crews asked if they could come, and Darrel ok'ed two of them, but not for cash.  He talks about it in this Flayrah post.

Just how much blame or slack he gets pretty much depends on the person trying to accuse or defend him. He was once on the side of Burned Fur - big mistake.  By the time he saw the crazy in the group and distanced himself, it was too late.  A couple of people accused CF of being a BF convention, and then other BF people (friends of his) started saying, without his blessing, "Yeah! So don't come to our convention!"  Darrel wanted to con to be for everyone, lifestylers and non-lifestylers alike, just without the out-of-control shit from Merlino's chairmanship.  At the same time though, I don't think he went out of his way to get his BF buddies to shut up.  Or something like that.  I'm really not in the mood to search through the old Usenet flamewars.  It's one of the topics the X-man has an interest in selectively editing on Wikifur.

Merlino's last year as con chair involved moving the convention to San Diego over Easter weekend. People weren't too inclined to go at that time of year, or take the extra time it took to travel that far.  So the majority of them who were all in the SF Bay and Silicon-Valley area started thinking about having their own convention - Further Confusion.  When?  In CF's original timeslot, mid-to-late January.  So Exline inherited this clusterfuck of politics, some of which he'd brought onto himself, some which had been rather nastily hurled at him.  Throw in the dot-com bubble bursting and people having less money to spend, and then how Darrel signed bad hotel contracts... yeah, it didn't work out well.  He also made some very heated, un-chairman-like posts to Usenet which didn't make him look like he had the greatest sense of diplomacy.  In the end though, he admitted his mistakes.  (This archive link with the embedded flash document is pretty damn humble by furry standards.)  But then, after all that, he let the media attend the convention - ...I mean, wtf was he thinking?

Still, despite all the shit said about him, he was trying to do something positive for everyone to enjoy, and spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to make it work. When it didn't work, half of it was it own fault, and the other half was a combination of real-life bad luck and other people in the fandom making it all worse.  I bumped into him at a science-fiction convention in 2003, and he seemed to be a nice guy - had his daughter with him.  Where is he now?  Probably hanging out with the Californian science-fiction crowd, old furry friends, maybe gaming or comics people - dropping out of the limelight and being a run-of-the-mill science-fiction fan with a bit of furry still in there, that's my guess. Knows enough to not try running a convention again, though conceivably he might still work as a volunteer on one.

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Can't say I like all the stuff that this message thread started with, but I like the subject of the message thread, so here's some to add (NSFW):

NOWAY, THE HORSE IS MY SPIRIT ANIMAL
The (Furry) Illustrated Geek Social Fallacies: #1
The (Furry) Illustrated Geek Social Fallacies: #2

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