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Useful feature of furry is that among competing services the most popular will always be the most crap.  Such is the case in furry auction sites.  Via K'sharra's journal:

Most of the time I try to get people to use [Furbuy], they say they don't want to because there's no traffic. Traffic takes people. People willing to go and try it out without being led by the rest of the herd. We can't get traffic if everyone refuses to go until everyone goes! Why don't people understand this?? We get auctions that get loads of bidding and competition and views, we've proven that you CAN get good results on a lower traffic system, and even created a page with hints on HOW to do it! But people won't try it.

Every time I turn around, I hear about someone who has been screwed over, burned, or had a bad experience with Furbid and/or it's admin. I personally refuse to use the site because of my own personal selling experiences with the site. I won't use it, period, not even if FurBuy and every other auction site on the internet site fails. Why, if people have so many issues with the site, do they stay? All it takes is a collective decision to use a different site.

Now K'sharra operates Furbuy with site founder Jurann, and there will be a conflict of interest evident when either discusses rival site Furbid.  This is natural, and one can be judged on how he treats his enemies.  In this case, Furbid administrator Noriko is a raving hell beast, seen kicking Jurann off the site in a very loud and public manner over a few mistakes then hitting Jurann's WikiFur article to masturbate over the bidding section.  He seems to protect shacked-up artist Kacey with near-paranoid fervor (the AFF auction fight seems to have started because K'sharra was getting bids while Kacey was not).  Other quality artists on FurBid are not unfamiliar with pulled auctions for strange reasons: "Okay, that Ayaka chick told me I'm not allowed to sell my Blueberry Morning prints on FurBid because 'it's a cartoon bear and looks like Brother Bear' and I'm sitting there dumbfounded because I see TLK-style art all the time on FurBid."

Noriko has local infamy in the convention circuit for threatening Conifur staff with frivolous legal threats and using restraining orders as weapons against convention attendees.  Conifur frontman Flinthoof shares:

There's something to be said for honesty. Furbuy has it. FurBid does not.  I recall being at a con where a dealer had to ask the organizer to change tables because the administrator of Furbid was hanging around too much, driving away people and was just generally 'creepy'. Go make of that what you will. I know I certainly don't trust my business with that individual. Go with someone you trust to be honest, attentive, and cares about your business. For me, that means Furbuy.

If anyone needs a second character reference on Noriko they just might look at Sage Nadia's history, as they really are the exact same person, from the control freak personalities, petty character assassinations, passive-aggressive refusal to accept blame, down to the mindless naming routines.  And Oregon IP addresses.  Furbid has the benefit of numbers and popularity, nothing more; Furbuy's interface, administration, transparent rules and regulations should alone be enough to encourage anyone sane to jump ship, but if furry worked that way we'd certainly not have FA or fchan today.

This is a curious situation.

One one hand, we have a person believed to be a stalker and admittedly a bit unstable that goes by the name of Mozdoc / Jeremey Wetzel. 

One another we have Kacey who doesn't want this person near her. That's understandable as well.

On yet a third hand (must be a mutant), we have an administrator trying to use the legal system to force others to do their bidding.

And on the fourth hand (Perhaps a chimpanzee?), a conventin who is trying to make it accessable to everyone without denying anyone admittance or infringing on their rights as citizens of the United States.


I'll only look at the last two- the first two seem to be a whole other issue that is probably best left private.

A restraining order was drawn up, and it appears that at that time it did exist and was legal- provided that the law enforcement agency is notified by the state of California regarding the order.  I'm not sure what city the convention was in at that time, but it seems to me that Noriko would have had to contact that police department in advance so that they could verify the restraining order to enforce it. 

Is it the convention's job to enforce restraining orders? No.  Are they legally obligated or even permitted to do so? No. Conventions are not law enforcement agencies and could not do anything about this restraining order.  Hearing that Noriko threatened Conifur with legal action for failing to be a police department seems... well, ridiculous.    Imagine the mess this would cause if Conifur did prohibit Mr. Wetzel from attending.  That would be an infringement of their rights.  That would be a bigger issue.  100 yards  at all times?  The only way you could do that and not infringe on Mr. Wetzel's rights would be to put Kacey at least 100 yards away from the convention site- which would probably hurt their sales.  It's just not reasonable to expect a convention to execute a restraining order. They aren't the police, and simply cannot do this. 

I also find it curious that the restratining order quoted by Noriko and posted here shows that it *EXPIRED* two years ago and is no longer in effect.  Then they spend quite a bit of a diatribe about falsifying documents and such being punishable by law for 7-10 years.   Perhaps Noriko should look at that expiration date and then at a current calendar.  It's expired.  You can quote or make up whatever you want, but you can't claim that it's current or in force because it is not.  You can't make threats about falsifying documents for an expired order. 

I am not surprised at all to see that Noriko is being widely ridiculed for their behavior, or that artists are leaving Furbid.  Based one what I read here and in KeSharra's postings on FA, I can't say I blame them.   

I think Noriko's own posting here is a good indication of why people want to stay away from him or Furbid these days.

I also find it curious that the restratining order quoted by Noriko and posted here shows that it *EXPIRED* two years ago and is no longer in effect.  Then they spend quite a bit of a diatribe about falsifying documents and such being punishable by law for 7-10 years.   Perhaps Noriko should look at that expiration date and then at a current calendar.  It's expired.  You can quote or make up whatever you want, but you can't claim that it's current or in force because it is not.  You can't make threats about falsifying documents for an expired order.

You seem to be having a bit of a problem with reading comprehension.

I'll break it down nice and easy for you. First off, visit wikipedia and read up on what "statute of limitations" means, here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_limitations

Now that you know it means that someone can be sued for x years after comitting a crime, in this case 7-10 years for the crime of forging a document, let's look at what was claimed:

Noriko was accused of having forged state documents: "inventing restraining orders".

Taking all things together, this combines to this simple fact: If she did forge the restraining order, then she could be sued for 7-10 years after the supposed date of forging. The expiration date of the order, real or not, is completely irrelevant to this.

So, taking this, she is quite simply inviting you to go ahead and sue her, if you actually think she did commit this crime. If it is true, you would be successful, as this is a criminal matter and the verbal skills of her lawyers couldn't get her out of that.

If however, it is not true, and you are merely making your claim up, then sueing her would have the rightful reaction of a counter-suit for libel and possibly slander.

I hope this helped in understanding the situation.

    It's so cute when you guys play lawyer.

Oh my god, wall of fucking text.  Please, for the sake of all of us, learn how to punctuate, figure out where your shift key is, and...actually, you know what?  Just stop posting.  Nobody cares.  Also stop speaking in the third person, ProvicincialTwit doesn't like it when he has to read that sort of thing.

Back from vacation and what do I find.  Oh, Noriko, you incorribable little scamp.

So Noriko had a restraining order that was valid while Conifur was still existant, and demanded they banish Wetzel from the convention.  Conifur had zero duty to kick Wetzel off their property, and is in fact in their rights to protect him as a paying customer.  Hell, it's even illegal for convention staff to enforce a restraining order, they aren't police.  Staff decided to stand up for their rights and denied Noriko the ability to run Wetzel off.  (Otherwise, you see where this could be abused?  And has been abused?)  In response Noriko legally threatened to shut Conifur down, they replied to the bluff with a real lawyer who in short told him to a eat a dick.  This is the absolute truth, not something I'm misremembering for a change.

Back to Furbid.  Furbid doesn't have a business license.  Furbid is operating outside of the law, is not a legal entity, cannot hold copyright, is unregistered with the IRS and more than likely not reporting earnings.  Kacey has a business license for her art business, valid in Oregon, but has no legal connection to Furbid; Furbid doesn't appear on Kacey's license and so has nothing to do with it.  Noriko hasn't bothered to do anything, so far as business licenses show.  Chances are good Noriko has been omitting any earnings from Furbid and certainly hasn't been paying state sales tax.  Now if anyone were to report this to the IRS they'd certainly go through all of Furbid's records and... oh, those are YOUR records, if you've ever bought anything from there.  Any auctions for furry pornography or paraphernalia go to the state for them to look over and publish.  Either Noriko needs to publish proof of a license and reported earnings, or everyone using the site can just hold their breath and wait for each transaction they make to go public once the IRS audits the thing.  And while you're there you can just smile while Noriko takes advantage of you.

<Dragoneer> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/259867/ -- If I had a journal search on FA I could probably find you over two dozen other posts just like this.

<ayukawataur> kacey do keep tell me to just let be and ignore... but... he is question my honour with complete fabrications based on his anger at me for my exert authority over him

Let's battle.  Without honor or humanity.

Let me get this straight- you are saying that a business that allows the named parties of a restraining order to be within 100 yards of each other is legally responsible for any actions that may result? 

May I just say 'poppycock' to that?

If it was true, then I think we'd see hundreds of thousands of lawsuits for this issue alone every day.  Just think of the potential.  When you travel from Oregon to California, did you make sure to tell each and every business along the way that you would be coming?  Make sure you do or else you could sue them because they allowed Jeremy to come close to Kacey.   Tell that gas station in advance you are coming. Tell the hotel and convention- did you forget to tell the hotel about the restraining order?  You did, didn't you?  And the surrounding restaurants? 

I'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way in the real world.  You can't hold a business responsible for not enforcing this restraining order which is the job of the law enforcement agency of the jurisdiction you are visiting.  Seriously, get a lawyer to explain this to you.   

As for a mascot contest- I don't see how that would apply.  Why would anyone care about a masot entry contest?  I haven't seen anything negative about Kacey from Flinthoof.  I only see *you* making negative comments. 

But really, does any of this matter?  It sounds like you're just being a drama queen, Noriko.   And yes, it's cute when you keep trying to deny your alt Nadia.  It's sort of the 'everyone knows it but doesn't want to openly point and laugh' sort of thing at this point. 


Enjoy the day. 

Wow, you seriously have some issues there that need the help of professionals, both legal and mental.

I wish you luck in your attempts to change history, but I don't think it's going to happen.

In the mean time, your rants aren't doing much more than making you sound like a ranting lunatic.  Might be time to scale back the drugs.

they did not and she and kacey remained as patrons of conifur until it was handed over to flinthoof and he buried it.

Flinthoof was staff when you made the complaints.  You, not your lawyer.  Your lawyer never contacted Conifur staff, 'less you can provide documents showing otherwise.  Flinthoof didn't bury the convention, either -- that's baseless character assassination we've all come to expect from you.  You've said he must only be angry because Kacey beat him at a mascot competition for Furbid, and considering the past body of history Flinthoof has generated... suffice it be said he's sane, has run a very nice convention, and your public hysteria is very well known through both Furbid and fchan.  Lesbian protesters?  Don't be retarded.  Fake legal threats are exactly in your line of business.  Your (totally real) lawyer has no reason to contact every event you expect to be at.  Criminal neglect, how stupid do you think we are?  Convention staff are not police and have no authority to enforce that.  Regardless it was you shrieking at Conifur, and not a lawyer.

Now you claim Furbid is registered as a business.  Provide proof of this.  Show us the license.  One in the name of Furbid, or one in Kacey's name DBA Furbid.  Provide proof of some kind of registration with the IRS, prove that you're doing this legally.  If you can't show a license -- and you were certainly eager to show the order, so what gives -- we can pretty much assume you don't intend to report your earnings.  If you're audited there will be a lot of artists literally screaming for your blood.  You'd drag down half of the culture's big name artists, Radio Comix to Schwartz.

And seriously, knock this third person shit off.

I get the feeling we're going to see proof of FurBid being registered as a business at about the same time we see a death certificate for Charlene K. Vink-Vermeer Rickards.