Starblade reportedly stabbed to death by a fellow aspie

[AshleyAshes]

So Silver Automatic now thinks that he has the power to ban people but putting them on his list?

[Pi]

So Silver Automatic now thinks that he has the power to ban people but putting them on his list?

No, he doesn't. It's just 100% coincidence that Mikau and SilverAutomatic have this conversation and then all of a sudden Arcturus is permabanned.

[AshleyAshes]

No, he doesn't. It's just 100% coincidence that Mikau and SilverAutomatic have this conversation and then all of a sudden Arcturus is permabanned.

I kinda figure that the real starting point for that was when FA Admin Witchiebunny posted Arcturus' little shitpost to the LJ Group Furrydrama_2, then someone suggested she temp-ban him and let the higher up admins sort it out and she did just that.  After that it, it's no stretch of the imagination that the admins were just sick of his crap.

[Pi]

No, he doesn't. It's just 100% coincidence that Mikau and SilverAutomatic have this conversation and then all of a sudden Arcturus is permabanned.

I kinda figure that the real starting point for that was when FA Admin Witchiebunny posted Arcturus' little shitpost to the LJ Group Furrydrama_2, then someone suggested she temp-ban him and let the higher up admins sort it out and she did just that.  After that it, it's no stretch of the imagination that the admins were just sick of his crap.

Call me paranoid or crazy or whatever, but it really strains my credulity to think that this particular group (WYS) holds no sway with the popufur/admin crowd.

[Arche Kruz]

Dragoneer actually made the decision on his own, AFAIK. Having a history with Arcturus that isn't too pleasant really didn't help Arc's case in the matter.

[MazelTovCocktail]

I'm sure WYS's influence was the fuel to the spark that was already there with Arc's history, at the very least. \

Regarding Starblade's death: amidst so many suicide threats over the years, who'd have ever thought that his death would come at hands other than his own?

[Pi]

Apparently, Starblade's alleged stabber is from Los Alamos, NM.

[AshleyAshes]

I'm sure WYS's influence was the fuel to the spark that was already there with Arc's history, at the very least.

That's a reasonable assumption but I think lulz.net and furrydrama_2 beat him to the punch and reported it well before him.  And agian, an FA Admin said in a furrydrama_2 post that they were beginning banning procedures then.  Since FD_2 posted because WYS, I imagine he just read it on FD_2, reposted it and is now hoping to get the glory for the list getting him banned.

If anything, Pi here crediting SilverAutomatic with getting the guy banned only feeds Silver's ego with more false accomplishments.

[Pi]

If anything, Pi here crediting SilverAutomatic with getting the guy banned only feeds Silver's ego with more false accomplishments.

Fair enough. Never let it be said that I don't admit to my mistakes.

[m_estrugo]

Well, here's this. Not really sure where a good place to host HTML files is though. I don't have a personal server.

Lemme fiddle here and there and... Here we go.

[a pigeon]

The last fallout of this I suppose, after getting permabanned from FA, Arcturus took himself to inkbunny where he posted a journal explaining his side of the story:

Why I'm not on FA anymore, an explanation
I'm posting this here solely so that people know the exact reason that I was kicked off of FurAffinity. Try not to start up a dramabomb. Here's the email from FA (and presumably, Dragoneer), as to why:

--
Due to continued problems over nearly six years on the site, we feel it is best
if Fur Affinity and yourself part ways, especially given recent issues between
yourself, FA and other guests of the site. We have chosen to move forward with
our relationship. Per the Terms of Service, "We reserve the right to suspend or
terminate any account without notice."

We thank you for your understanding,

The FA Staff
--

So.. no reason at all, except they just didn't want me there. Well, I hope that in the years to come, Starling
doesn't kick me off. If he ever did, he'd be a BAD PUPPY.

http://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=2025

The owner of inkbunny, Starling, said in the comments:

If anyone starts makin' drama in this here journal, bad things happen to them, no matter which side of the issue they are on.

Dragoneer and Maddogairpirate became irate over Arcturus' journal and complained on furrydrama_2, making several posts, that Starling was protecting Arcturus, e.g:

I get it. I read what he wrote loud and clear. =/

If he wants to protect Arc that's fine, but even his journal out-and-out is a lie. The reasons for his ban a pretty clear, and have even been posted to FD_2 in the past. If he wants "no drama" then he should have stopped the journal at the start, not ban anybody who disagrees with Arc, meanwhile... we get flamed to shit.

Yeah, the position he took is clear. =|

http://community.livejournal.com/furrydrama_2/211295.html?thread=17715039#t17715039

Dragoneer, I have a question for you.

Provided that we can clearly show Arcturus is delivering falsehoods, would you at all be interested in pursuing a libel charge? A charge, which, I would imagine, would also take Inkbunny to task for harboring said disinformation as I have no problem, none whatsoever, in showing that Arcturus is making a false statement and is censoring evidence to the contrary, and that Inkbunny is aware and condones such actions?

http://community.livejournal.com/furrydrama_2/211295.html?thread=17767007#t17767007

(He was not interested in pursuing a charge)

Maddogairpirate and a few other people took up the cudgels on Arcturus' journal, however on inkbunny people are allowed to delete comments from their own journal and Arcturus did so, in order to ensure that no one would contradict him (at least in his own journal). Maddogairpirate complained about allowing people to delete comments on FD_2, e.g:

That, by the way, is precisely what is wrong with Inkbunny policy. The fact that a user can control information, be it correct or incorrect, and remain untouched, is a problem.

A moderator of Inkbunny responded to them with a few posts, most relevant parts of two of them:

It is not for staff to decide who is right in an argument to which we are not a party, or to act on our own opinions of the issue or the poster. Our job is to ensure the post and discussion does not get out of hand, as specified by the site rules.

http://community.livejournal.com/furrydrama_2/211295.html?thread=17762655#t17762655

As I have indicated, we are not in the business of determining the "truth" of what people post to Inkbunny. Frankly, we have much better things to do with our time.

A person's journal, and their page, is to a large extent "their space". You have the right to reply, but in your own space. 

http://community.livejournal.com/furrydrama_2/211295.html?thread=17766751#t17766751

Maddogairpirate summed up his view of the situation:

Starling doesn't want any bombastic commentary. But Arcturus claims that he was permabanned for no good reason (an inflammatory statement, we can agree with this). So it's already bombastic, and he steps in to defend Arc's right to say it and to moderate any responses.

*I* come in with factual corrections. Not bombastic commentry, really. Facts are facts.

Arc censors me and blocks me from posting.

DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS? ANY? ANY AT ALL?

He is allowing Arc to make bombastic commentary up front that cannot be challenged.

http://community.livejournal.com/furrydrama_2/212393.html?thread=17800873#t17800873

And made a reply to Arcturus' journal with a journal of his own:

http://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=2061

It strikes me that if you look at Arcturus' journal on inkbunny, so few people respond to it (amongst them Blazger) that if he'd been ignored nothing would have come of it. FA certainly was not "flamed to shit" as Dragoneer claimed.

[Jim Demintia]

What cracks me up about the comment-deletion thing is that every website that allows comments also allows the owner of a journal entry or a moderator or whatever to delete comments. It's just more of FA's retardery that it doesn't allow that. Yet furries don't know any better and are complaining about a site that follows the norm.

Also, maddogairpirate is a tool.

[Sechs]

Has anyone noticed that any thread "a snow pigeon" posts in seems to derail and become about Dragoneer?

[rodox_video]

An update, in which we learn a lot of highly disquieting things:

Man had frequent urges to kill
MPC student faces trial for stabbing friend to death
By VIRGINIA HENNESSEY
Herald Salinas Bureau
Posted: 02/19/2011 05:14:41 AM PST
Updated: 02/21/2011 11:02:28 AM PST

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James Torrey Hill Told officer he had visions of phantoms that sometimes spoke to him.

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The torment of mental illness was on display in the Salinas Courthouse on Friday as two mothers mourned the loss of their sons, one at the apparent hand of the other.

During a break in her son's preliminary hearing, the mother of James Torrey Hill introduced herself to the mother of the man he is accused of killing, fellow Monterey Peninsula College student Matthew Finnigan. Strangers that morning, the two women collapsed sobbing into each other's arms.

According to testimony at Friday's hearing, Hill told police he plunged a knife into his friend's back as he played a video game after struggling with "demons" that talked to him and a lifelong fantasy to kill someone.

The two were friends who were attending MPC as part of the College Living Experience, a private, off-campus program that provides housing and other services for young adults with special needs ranging from learning disabilities to autism.

Monterey police detective Jeremiah Ruttschow testified that Finnigan had high-functioning autism and a bout with schizophrenia. According to testimony, Hill told Ruttschow he was not on medication.

Early on Sept. 22, Monterey police went to Hill's apartment at 825 Casanova Ave. after reports of a stabbing. Officer Jeff Gibson testified Hill answered the door wearing blood-splattered shorts. At the end of the hall, he saw Finnigan crouched over, covered in blood, saying Hill had stabbed him without warning or cause. Gibson found the knife in the kitchen garbage can.

The 26-year-old victim was airlifted to a Santa Clara County trauma center, where he died several hours later from internal bleeding.

Hill, 21, was arrested at the scene and told Gibson he had decided to stab Finnigan because "he was sick of his life, he was sick of school and he might as well go to jail."

Looking for a kill

As both families cried, detective Ruttschow testified to a more detailed statement Hill gave later that morning. In a taped interview, Hill told Ruttschow that he had a "general desire to kill someone" since he was 8 and had set that as a goal in his life. As he grew older, he increasingly struggled with the fantasy and demons that were attached to guilt around his parents' divorce, his inability to find a suitable mate and the fact that he was picked on.

He said he had visions of 12 phantoms who looked like the Grim Reaper and sometimes spoke to him. As a video camera rolled, he told the detective that two of the demons were in the room with them, and he pointed them out.

Hill said he'd been dealing increasingly with his murderous urges in the weeks leading up to the attack. One night he took a hammer out onto Casanova looking for someone to kill, he said. He didn't follow through with the plan because, among other things, the area was too well-lit.

Two acquaintances told police disturbing stories about those preceding weeks. One of the men said he was watching television with Hill when Hill suddenly began choking him and asked him if he was ready to die. The man said he began to black out before Hill stopped. The other witness said Hill had told him he could kill Finnigan any time he wanted and get away with it.

The stabbing

Hill, who appeared in court Friday with a gaping hole in his earlobe where a plug had once been, told Ruttschow he liked to drink to excess and used cocaine and Ecstasy, but had not in the week leading up to the attack.

He said he and Finnigan had dated, but were only friends on Sept. 22. The two had gone out and bought a bottle of vodka and returned to Hill's apartment around midnight, the detective testified. Police later found the empty bottle in Hill's kitchen.

Hill told Ruttschow they were in the bedroom. He was watching television and Finnigan was next to him playing a video game. He suddenly began to struggle with the urges to fulfill his goal.

He said he tried to think positively to lose the thoughts, and struggled with whether he would kill Finnigan or himself. Eventually, he said, he went into the kitchen and got a knife, which he hid up his sleeve.

After being stabbed, the stunned and bleeding Finnigan asked his friend to call 911. Hill told Gibson he refused because he wanted to see him suffer.

Prosecutor Doug Matheson submitted videotapes of Hill's statements to Judge Terrance Duncan for his review. Duncan will hear arguments and rule on whether there is sufficient evidence to hold Hill for trial March 4. He remains in Monterey County Jail in lieu of $1 million bail.

Deputy Public Defender J.B. Robert said his office will ask the court to appoint a psychologist to evaluate Hill and help it decide whether to pursue an insanity defense if he is ordered to stand trial.

At the end of the day, Finnigan's mother and sister closed themselves in a restroom outside the courtroom. Their sobbing echoed down the hall.

Virginia Hennessey can be reached at 753-6751 or vhennessey@montereyherald.com.

[Jim Demintia]

Seems like the lesson here is not all mental illness is created equal and maybe there should have been more screening of mentally-ill people so that a mostly-harmless Aspie wasn't placed with a person who, by all accounts, fits the classic serial killer psychological profile.

[AshleyAshes]

Seems like the lesson here is not all mental illness is created equal and maybe there should have been more screening of mentally-ill people so that a mostly-harmless Aspie wasn't placed with a person who, by all accounts, fits the classic serial killer psychological profile.

I dunno about that.  Starblade was also schizophrenic and schizophrenia demonstrates this little habbit of progressively getting worse.  The guy may have been 'fine' when he was first placed there.

[bridgeportcat]

Schizophrenia, if well managed and medicated, usually won't get worse at all. Hell, a few shots of risperdol can result in positive improvement in days (not ALL BETTER but improvement). So even though starblade was schizophrenic, I am p. sure he was medicated. As for the other kid, I dunno if he WAS medicated but he sounded like he had a combination of sociopathic tendencies along with either full on schizophrenia or schizotypal whatnots. Schizophrenia doesn't automatically equal murder-sprees for the most part.

[Jim Demintia]

The guy may have been 'fine' when he was first placed there.

So maybe regular psychiatric evaluations for mentally ill people in a program like this are a good idea?

I guess the real question here is how much oversight this program had and if this college has some kind of civil lawsuit to look forward to from Starblade's parents. I don't want to say it wasn't enough, but shit, if someone got murdered and at the murder trial it's coming out that this guy has had murder fantasies for much of his life, then, well, it wasn't fucking enough oversight.

[johnnyblanco]

Sorry, no. This Arcturus got what he deserved because people forget this one fucking fact.

Everyone thinks that Furaffinity is a right as in "Oh I have a right to be here. I have a right to post what I feel. I have a right to my speech."

No.

FA is like a drivers license. It's a PRIVILEGE. Which means, you fuck up it gets taken away. Arcturus posted something that he knew that he'd get in trouble for, he stepped over the line and was banned. That's it. Cut and dry. And it's not like this was his first offense as it's stated he had been trolling other people's journals for awhile now. If this was a first offense he probably would have gotten a suspension but again.. FA is not a right it's a privilege.

[ProvincialTwit]

Uh, ok blanco.  Your first couple bumps were worthwhile but you've run dry of content pretty quickly.  Cut this shit out unless you have something worth contributing that hasn't already been said a thousand times in these thread.