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Daggers and Spears and Songs => Scandal! => Topic started by: Kirune on January 18, 2014, 01:56:39 pm
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(TW: sexual assault)
So, A. Nishimura (http://tumblr.com/NishiMikan/) of the internet has recently come out against furry music machine Ren Queenston (http://lapfoxtrax.com/) regarding multiple sleep-fondling incidents. (http://nishimikan.tumblr.com/post/73650195082/) This began yesterday with a text file (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11907091/PermanentFixtures/SCANDAL/Renard%20Queenston/NishiMikan%20puush.txt) uploaded to puu.sh and linked through twitter. A snippet from the tumblr post:
as background:
ren and i were in a fairly sexual relationship, not a romantic one. we had our boundaries, but our most prominent one was “ask before any touching is done”. i have post-traumatic stress disorder, relating to a lot of sexual trauma, and when i am touched unprovoked, i am “dead in the water”. this boundary was placed in december of 2012 because ren experienced it first-hand with an event i can’t talk about now.
with this background, here is what i want you all to know:
ren has a self-admitted problem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11907091/PermanentFixtures/SCANDAL/Renard%20Queenston/ss%20%282014-01-17%20at%2004.34.57%29.png) with groping people when they think they’re sleeping. they acknowledge that what they did to me was wrong (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11907091/PermanentFixtures/SCANDAL/Renard%20Queenston/ss%20%282014-01-17%20at%2006.06.57%29.png) but mention going to therapy for it, something that i, as the victim, am not comfortable with.
they also mention it being something they do in their sleep, but i find that bogus because of finer details during the actual groping state to me that ren was awake the entire time. i do not trust them in this situation, because they have betrayed my trust regarding being up front with things with me before (see below)
during the times when ren would visit, this so-called “sleep-groping” problem would happen a multitude of times—my PTSD makes it hard for me to remember specific numbers, but a ballpark estimate of how many times it’s happened to me is 10-15 (in two visits).
now, ren has admitted that they were aware of the problem when it occurred, but they did not elect to speak to me, their (at the time) sexual partner and (at the time) friend. this is troubling at its base level, but becomes a little more troubling when you remember that they are aware that my PTSD renders me immobile.
ren had one year to tell me that cuddling with them might be unwise because of their self-admitted “sleep-groping” habits, but did not do so and did not make any move to do so during the time i knew them. during that one year, i did not receive any communication regarding their “sleep problem”, despite the faith i put into them when another event happened, one i’m not comfortable reiterating now.
ren says that they’re seeking therapy for the events in question and for their “sleep problem”, but they told me the same thing when they did something to me the first time. i trust that they’re trying, but for the sake of your safety and my peace of mind, i’ve made this post so people are aware of the situation.
in short:
ren queenston (http://lapfox.bandcamp.com/) has a tendency to touch people sexually in their sleep. be aware of this.
this is troubling, to say the absolute least. but that’s why i’m making this post, to raise awareness. they need to learn, and leaving them alone for a year for them to “get treatment” did not help the first time, and i doubt it will help now.
they need to be held accountable for their actions.
Their emphasis and links.
Shortly after, a close friend (http://twitter.com/softvoid/) of Ren's came out in defense of the victim on tumblr (page has since been blanked.)
The twitter proof screenshots in this post were taken from me. I was the first person Ren actually admitted this to. Ren was my closest friend during the latter half of 2013 and, up until today, still was. They had me convinced that Nishi was manipulating and abusing them, but from what ive heard from Nishi _after_ ren flat out admitted raping Nish to me via twitter DM, i began to realize and see the abuse and manipulation Ren had on me, Nish, and everyone else.
I’m publically denouncing Ren Queenston right here, right now. They are a narcissist and abuser, and are _still_ trying to excuse their behavior, even tho all of their closest friends are turning on them, including me.
Nishi is being actually rather kind with this callout. From what i’ve heard from them and from other people, this isn’t an isolated incident. NIshi is not the first person Ren has raped. But it is up to those victims to come out about it on their own.
My twitter is softvoid. Because of the interactions ive been having all week with ren before nishi actually came out about it, i’m going to be actively trying to inform people about what has happened. Ren had been trying to manipulate me to turn against Nishi for _days_ before Nishi actually came out about this, and i had almost sided with Ren because i had ___no____ context, no fucking idea what was actually happening.
I cannot give details, obv, it is not my place. But if you need someone to confide in if Ren has abused you or someone you know, please DM me on twitter.
Ren's twitter account (http://twitter.com/motorola68k/) is currently protected, and I can't find much of their side of the story at the moment.
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A tumblr ask post (http://stretchpanic.tumblr.com/post/41650372974/) from Ren's AD tumblr dated Jan 2013, one month after the first assault incident:
I forget the actual name of it, but sexual activity with someone who's sleeping, or being the one sleeping?
that’s somnophilia
turn off / not my thing / haven’t thought of it before / cool / cute / hot damn / TURN OOOOOOON / TAKE ME NOW
i’ve engaged in this ACCIDENTALLY more than a few times with my partner. i’ve had times where i’ve woken up rubbing and groping them and didn’t even know i was doing so and things just went from there. it’s often clumsy and awkward but fun in a kind of “so dazed and out of it” way. i know this seems weird right after my post about drugs and sex being a no-no but you can snap out of sleepiness a lot easier than you can snap out of being drunk/high lmao
i love the idea of being on either end of this, and really like the idea of waking up in the middle of it and hazily enjoying the rest of it, or having the receiving partner do the same.
Their emphasis. Not sure if the bolding is meant to be their answer on a scale or something??
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yes, the bolded text is their answer on the scale
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I know I'm going to regret asking this, but why is everyone calling Ren Queenston "they"? It's one person, right?
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They/them are their preferred pronouns, that's all.
Couple of chat logs posted by Nishimura. For the first time, a look in to how Queenston's dealing with this; an attempt at turning it back around on the victim.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11907091/PermanentFixtures/SCANDAL/Renard%20Queenston/chat1.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11907091/PermanentFixtures/SCANDAL/Renard%20Queenston/chat2.png)
Sure I assaulted you, but what about my feeeeeeeelings.
And an LJ post by another of Queenston's victims. Actually felt kinda sick reading this.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11907091/PermanentFixtures/SCANDAL/Renard%20Queenston/pushi_puli.png)
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Pretty important to the story, Nishimura made a really long and detailed post (http://nishimikan.tumblr.com/post/74105986662) further explaining their relationship with Queenstion. 3 days ago. I wasn't paying attention at the time, oops.
Also important, Queenston has finally acknowledged that their fan-base is collapsing, and made a complete non-apology. (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s02t0s) [Back-up] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0yn3rg13le3fbjh/TwitLonger%20%5B01.24.2014%201836%5D.png)
I feel as though I should say something about the current situation, but have been unsure of how, and still am. I don't feel as though I fully understand my problems yet. any issues I have with how things are happening right now aren't things I can talk about because I know they will be emotionally charged and I know because of my tendencies I would put myself first. between my parasomnia and emotionally manipulative tendencies, I have a wealth of issues that I must address and understand before I can properly say anything and know that I'm saying exactly what I mean to, and that includes apologies I sincerely need to give. a good friend confronting me directly after I took my leave gave me the clarity I needed in that regard. I want to assure people that I'm aware of and working on things and that this is where I am focusing myself right now. I never set out to hurt anybody and I'm really concerned for the well being of the people that I have hurt.
I am taking am extended break from the internet and people in general for the safety of myself and others, so I can be clear and understanding of so much more and attend therapy more regularly. the scariest thing for me right now is knowing that I'm not fundamentally malicious, but have inadvertent malicious tendencies. I am not disappearing and not putting this behind me.
I am aware that this message is about me, but to understand this better, focus and awareness of me and my habits is what I need to do.
I'm sorry and I'll talk to you soon
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They/them are their preferred pronouns, that's all.
I'm sure he also prefers to be called fox over human and DJ over shithead but then again I'm sure his friends would prefer to not be rape victims so
I guess this is just a cruel world
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Greenreaper, why are you using Kindrift's account?
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Pretty important to the story, Nishimura made a really long and detailed post (http://nishimikan.tumblr.com/post/74105986662) further explaining their relationship with Queenstion. 3 days ago. I wasn't paying attention at the time, oops.
Reading that account, Nishi was a vulnerable person before that Queenston fellow got involved: Nishi had been raped earlier in the year before meeting Queenston, was suffering badly from PTSD and anxiety to the extent of having blackouts (waking up confused and not remembering what happened) and had extreme difficulty in dealing with people demanding sex.
In that account Nishi described various occasions where Queenston had sex with/sexually touched Nishi, despite Nishi not wanting to and saying so. Additionally, at one point Nishi was wearing a collar and Queenston grabbed the collar and jerked Nishi about.
The furry subculture has some very vulnerable people participating in it and they can obviously be taken advantage of. Hopefully people will be more aware with the recent Zaush issues and this.
From a UK perspective, according to the Metropolitan Police:
"A person commits sexual assault if they intentionally touch another person, the touching is sexual and the person does not consent."
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http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Definitions/1400008450549/1400008450549
So someone in the UK behaving as Renard Queenston is described as doing would be committing sexual assault at the least.
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I would like to add. I talked to Ren personally.
First off Nishi apprently lead him on with physical contact.
It did happen but from what I understand.
Nishi decided "OH I will do it because i will lose him as a friend otherwise"
Ren stating she could of said No and Ren would of been friends with nishi.
I want to throw that out there.
I do have logs but as privacy for ren's sake. i will not be showing anyone no matter how much they ask me too.
SO actually Nishi lied and gave consent. Ren would of took No for answer.
So she lied about that too.
SO let's get this down pat. She lead him on with physical contact.
They did it.
She didnt want to say NO because she did not want to lose him as a friend.
MEANING SHE NEVER TOLD HIM NO! (In fact she lied saying she did. I am hearing a totally different story from REN. The problem here is it's one sided. EVERYONE ALWAYS SIDES WITH THE VICTIM BECAUSE IT MUST BE TRUE RIGHT?) WRONG. They were both in the wrong. It's not one sided here. SHE NEEDED TO SPEAK UP. He needed to not assume it was all good because she was leading him on.
SO there fore I see no rape.
The groping in the sleep is true but Ren says he is alseep when it happens.
That is okay he stated he was getting therepy for it. I find it okay. I MEAN you may sleep walk and kill somone.
Apparently sleep walking and groping are 100 times worse then sleep murder. *facepalms*
This should of never gone puplic and never became in issue to begin with. BTW the other ex gf thing...COME ON she is an ex? CAN you really not believe for a moment they had issues in there relationship? Broke up and what happens? The other one always accuses of there ex being wrong. Think logically guys.
I am just letting people know the basics because I feel if REN does not stick up for himself. i want to as a friend.
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Let me add I wasn't there, neither were you. SO we are all making assumptions because nishi said something that could or could not be true.
I think they did have sex but she didnt say no because she didnt want to lose ren as a friend. She also added she was in a sexual relationship not a romantic one. Implying she dealt with it and didn't mind having sex. I also would like to add she could of said no and Ren would of stopped. REN was lead on by her. ASK yourself that. It's not adding up because there completely different stories and by saying he is manipulative. She can get away with saying whatever and he can't defend his side of the story, I find that unfair.
OK AT THIS POINT I am just rantering but for both there sakes. STOP slandering ren and stop believing one side of the story. both in the wrong.
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SO there fore I see no rape.
The groping in the sleep is true but Ren says he is alseep when it happens.
That is okay he stated he was getting therepy for it. I find it okay.
Who the fuck are you? Why do I give a shit about whether or not you think Renard raped someone? It's suddenly OK to grope sleeping people just because you said so?
Hint: you're nobody. Fuck off.
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Bullshit and chips
Neer? Wan? Is that you?
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YET AGAIN
Let me add I wasn't there, neither were you. SO we are all making assumptions because nishi said something that could or could not be true.
I think they did have sex but she didnt say no because she didnt want to lose ren as a friend. She also added she was in a sexual relationship not a romantic one. Implying she dealt with it and didn't mind having sex. I also would like to add she could of said no and Ren would of stopped. REN was lead on by her. ASK yourself that. It's not adding up because there completely different stories and by saying he is manipulative. She can get away with saying whatever and he can't defend his side of the story, I find that unfair.
OK AT THIS POINT I am just rantering but for both there sakes. STOP slandering ren and stop believing one side of the story. both in the wrong.
P.S NEVER SAID ITS OK TO GROPE SLEEP. I SAID IT'S OKAY HE IS GETTING THEREPY FOR IT. IT'S OKAY. YOU MIGHT SLEEP WALK IN MURDER SOMONE AND NOT MEAN TO. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF PEOPLE CALLED YOU A MURDER.
Don't be a Dick.
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YET AGAIN
Let me add I wasn't there, neither were you.
SO SHUT THE FUCK UP, MORON, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ANYONE THAT YOU ARE ON REN'S SIDE
YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED, YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT HOW REN FEELS, YOU BLAME THE VICTIM, AND YOUR OPINION IS TWICE AS MEANINGLESS
IN SHORT: STOP POSTING YOU FUCKING SHITWIT
also my shift key is stuck now
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Your insults don't affect me you know?
But your not making this situation any easier.
I admit it's between them. insulting ren, causing hate war. because you believe nishi?
Nishi is at fault as well and The groping happened but the rape did not. AS Nishi so called claims. they had sex.
She never said no. SHE lead him on.
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~*~Rape apologism~*~
You're quite a poster!
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I'm just stating what I know and you all on the internet can continue your hate mongering but it won't get you far in life.
There are two sides to every story.
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I'm just stating what I know and you all on the internet can continue your hate mongering but it won't get you far in life.
There are two sides to every story.
and for the third time, you can't just fucking trot that out as an excuse for what Ren did.
the groping IS the rape, you mouth-breathing retard - people who are asleep cannot consent to sexual contact. get this through your idiotic skull.
Listen to how shitty you sound - someone else's pain doesn't matter to you, just because you talked to the perpetrator and think it's all okay.
THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY, AND YOUR SIDE SUCKS
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Aw, I read the title and assumed they were sleep-walking-groping people, and now I have a sad because it's much less awesome than that.
Furries and sexual assault seem like they go together quite often. Age range involved, or something else?
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Aw, I read the title and assumed they were sleep-walking-groping people, and now I have a sad because it's much less awesome than that.
You are gross.
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You never listen do you. HE WAS ALSEEP when he did it. meaning he was not aware he groped her. when it happened they both were alseep.
SECOND. the sex thing it happened yes but nishi didnt get raped she gave the okay because she didnt want to lose a friend so she's a big fat liar.
Nextly.
SHUT UP. Insulting me is childish. GO ON CONTINUE TO BE CHILDISH IT WONT GET YOU ANYWHERE IN LIFE. GEESH.. You say I don't care what happened to nishi. I do but I am saying they ARE BOTH AT FAULT. ITS NOT ONE SIDED.
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your word cadence and random formatting make you sound like the time cube guy
though i think they are less delusional and disconnected from reality than you are
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You never listen do you. HE WAS ALSEEP when he did it. meaning he was not aware he groped her. when it happened they both were alseep.
was he aware that he has a tendency to sleep-grope? yes
was she aware that he has this tendency? well idfk, but i also don't give a fuck what you think.
given that he was aware and she was not, i side with the victim, and don't really see a point in defending the sleep-groper.
You say I don't care what happened to nishi. I do but I am saying they ARE BOTH AT FAULT. ITS NOT ONE SIDED.
oh ok. oh ok. oh ok. oh ok. oh ok. oh ok. oh ok.
your side of the story still sucks, hth
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It must be a slow news day in the furry fandom.
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/oh-my-god-who-the-hell-cares.jpg)
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Considering how hot damn he is for abusing and manipulating women, and that all witnesses only claim they were asleep (not him), critical personalities might call his entire thing premeditated rape with a really shit excuse
From the testimonies here, I'm also getting this feeling that Ren specifically targets already abused or emotionally needy women. Every situation reads as if he finds people who need honest friends and real help... gives them token companionship, then uses the hell out of them for money, sex, ego boosts. He gets cornered, he uses his excuse and mentions 'therapy' and the cycle continues. He's a predator.
He finds an audience that can't fight back and takes them for whatever they're worth to him and does the same thing over and over again without learning from his mistakes because nobody's around to call him on it (and that's just his musical career)
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YET AGAIN
STOP slandering ren and stop believing one side of the story. both in the wrong.
Renard entered into a situation in which they knew they might "sleep gropefuck" their sleep partner and made no discernible effort to avoid such an occurrence. If at any point Renard's partner said no or was too traumatized/inebriated/pressured to consent during the act, that was rape. Similar accounts of Renard's behavior from other sources would lead me to believe and defend the victim.
So you see, if you check out the definition of slander, you would realize that we're not slandering Renard. We're actually being quite honest!
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(and that's just his musical career)
Oh, ho.
So you see, if you check out the definition of slander, you would realize that we're not slandering Renard. We're actually being quite honest!
Worse, no one here is actually doing any slandering unless they, you know, actually make meat sounds (http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html) to that effect. The defamatory remarks you read as written on the Internet are actually libelous! It's one thing to push air through your meat parts to defame someone, but it's another to use your wiggly meat parts to make a persistent, lasting mark somewhere that defames someone.
Actually, it's just against the law to use your meat parts at all. There are no more civil suits. All meat acts are henceforth criminal. Hope this helps.
But, really, apologizing on their behalf for their misdeeds is not exactly something that anyone else should be doing. A grown individual like Ren is more than capable of being accountable for their own actions. Full stop.
Good show, though, "Girlnextdoor," on the "both in the wrong" bit. I actually slow clapped for that one.
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You people don't read.
Nishi failed to mention SHE LEAD HIM ON. SHE DID NOT WANT TO SAY NO BECAUSE SHE DID NOT WANT TO LOSE A FRIEND.
That is why they are both wrong.
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You people don't read.
And you don't think.
Your apologism means less than nothing. You are neither the accused or the victim, so take your self-righteous victim-blaming stupid ass, and go fuck yourself with it.
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You never listen do you. HE WAS ALSEEP when he did it. meaning he was not aware he groped her. when it happened they both were alseep.
Considering how hot damn he is for abusing and manipulating women, and that all witnesses only claim they were asleep (not him), critical personalities might call his entire thing premeditated rape with a really shit excuse
Okay, thank fuck it wasn't just a grammatical quirk, but there is actual debate on if he sleep-walk-gropes people? Neat, potentially a shitty lie, but neat.
The fact this isn't all of the issue strongly hints the guy is a douchbag. Even if he was asleep when groping, doesn't sleepwalking usually involve 'scripted' activities? Sure, people sleepwalk or sleepdrive, but their minds are just running through a set of actions with a minimal amount of fresh input. They drive to work, or a route they always take.
So basically, if he is sleep-groping people, doesn't that imply he's so grope-happy in his waking life it just kind of spilled over into his unconsciousness?
So you see, if you check out the definition of slander, you would realize that we're not slandering Renard. We're actually being quite honest!
Like furries failing to understand trademark vs. copyright, you can't 'slander' someone with text on a forum. Slander is spoken. Libel is written. Unless we're podcasting or uploading audio, there's really no possibility to slander.
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Renard is being emotionally abused by nishi (https://f.cl.ly/items/0N2D3O0k0n2r2X460I38/words.html)
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So , Ren sleep-fucks people, and has very poor taste.
Got it.
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This is why, as fans, it's always best to keep "artist" and "person" separate.
I don't want to know what my favorite artists are like off the cuff, since
it has the potential to destroy the illusion. I don't ~want~ to know if Kyo
from Dir en grey is secretly a raging homophobe and thinks Hitler was a cool guy
(okay, there was that time that Die, the guitarist dressed in an SS uniform complete
with swastika arm-band, but hey, I'm sure he was only doing it for the lulz, right?).
I don't ~want~ to know if Marilyn Manson is a complete asshole and tried to deny
Daisy Berkowits credit or payment for guitar work on albums. I don't ~want~ to know
that Eminem flew off the handle and beat on his daughter in a fit of bipolar rage.
I didn't ~want~ to know that the guy from the show Firefly and Chuck was a douchebag
who thinks gay marriage is the same as polygamy or incest. I didn't ~want~ to know that
Tracy Jordan joked to a bunch of Tennesseans that he would stab his son if he found out he
were gay... I didn't ~want~ to know that my favorite atheist rapper, Greydon Square, repeatedly
punched a fellow Rational Response Squad member at a concert over a "money dispute."
I didn't ~want~ to know that a certain popular celebritroll in the community who goes by
[name redacted] endangers minors and people in general with his deliberate non-disclosure
of his health status. I only want to live in the blind idolization of people whom I will never
meet IRL, and would probably hate them if I did, or spent any considerable amount of "personal"
time with... So gosh darn it, just let me have my illusions and my idols untainted by "reality!"
PS: Jokes aside, you just know a hundred other furries out there of varying
genders are sitting at their keyboards thinking "IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME!"
It's only a matter of time before the Renard rape fantasy fan-fiction pours
into the intertubes, just like so many shitty J-Rock bandguy-harem-yaoi-fics...
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I love the night life
I love to boogie
and tell you to GET OUUUUUUUT o/~
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many have said, "fuck trent reznor, it should have been me"
nobody has ever said that about renard
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^Never underestimate the desperation / warped mindframe of fangirls / fanboys.
Fucking even a semi-famous person, or even just having photo 'evidence' of
them having them as an 'acquaintance' is still a trophy...
https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/5/5d/HE_WAS_DRUGGED.jpg
"Hey look, I'm holding hands with Die from Dir en grey, who is passed
out, probably from exhaustion of touring... WE'RE DATING!!!!1"
Also, Trent Reznor was raped?!?!?!?!?!
Or did you mean to say "Fuck Mariqueen Maandig, it should have been me?"
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Holy shit shut up and go away.