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Public Discourse => News Media => Topic started by: Conan on June 19, 2012, 10:55:06 pm
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It is with deep regret that due to the actions of a few people....beyond of what we already knew with the reported incident...other poor decision making on the parts of some guests have resulted in NJ Fur-BQ being disbanded from here on out.
We are sorry....the offending folks know who they are.
Thanks to everyone's support over the last 8 years.
Lets just leave it at inappropriate fursuit extra-curriculars leaning on a town council members car in eye shot of his kids....
Because what was done has shed such awful light on furry to the general public in the area that pretty much no one would even think of hosting us. This 'issue' was brought up in an open town forum and televised on public access tv. There is photographic evidence on file with the town, pd, and mayor.... Trust me this is worse than we are leading this to be.
That being said.... Tony, myself, and shortwave are no longer willing to put ourselves on the line for a furry party any longer.
As it is we are waiting for the "other shoe to drop" as it were...
welp
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Not much info on it yet, nobody is naming names anyway. Will be funny when that happens though.
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I don't need names, it's aready more laughs than I've had in months. I knew I visited Vivisector for a reason.
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So I'm guessing it was one of those godawful suits with the huge tits, or a sheath, or pretending to bugger each other on the car perhaps. None of these would surprise me. I do hope there's pictures.
GJ furries.
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Update: More info from another journal:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3573735/
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Given the reactions,"graphic evidence", and "blow a load on a car hood", it sounds at this point like they were basically fucking on the car or similar. I have to wonder if some people get a similar feeling of anonymity and invincibility from fursuiting that posting on the Internet provides (for those that are already rather disconnected from reality). They completely zone out and forget that, yes, you are in public and, no, you should not be fucking doing that oh god why please stop.
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- Yes, there is graphic photographic evidence of "inappropriate fursuit extra-curriculars" taking place on a vehicle, in front of the building in broad daylight during the BBQ. There were kids and a town council member who witnessed this. The pictures were filed at a PUBLIC town council meeting and are now being investigated by the Mayor, Chief of Police, and the squad.
- NO we cannot and will not move the event somewhere else. NJ FurBQ is NO MORE. So please don't ask anymore.
- YES there may be some legal repercussions that may happen to the 2 parties involved.
- For those of you who think that this is "no big deal"... think about this for a second: 1) Furry as a whole is now publicly in the limelight due to this event. I can assure you that this area will be pretty much devoid of furry events...simply because no one will house our events anymore. The EMS and Fire community is small enough that word of this has spread like wildfire in the neighboring communities. 2) Tony is a Lieutenant and Trustee at the Squad... it's possible he may lose his job because of these two idiots... 3) Shortwave, myself, and Aeon also have jobs that could be affected by this as well.
- The Twin "W" Rescue squad was punished because of the actions of these two individuals... because they were the host venue and they bear the town's name. Not only were they the subject of humiliation at a public town meeting but $55,000 was stripped from their annual budget and they are no longer recieving the "go ahead" to order 2 new ambulances...which the squad was pressing for in order to remain in service.
So furries... you've done it again (at least 2 of you). Only this time you took our charity and instead of being the heroes and donating $600 so they could buy new equipment ...we've cost them almost $280,000 (2 ambulances + 55,000). You may have possibly cost up to 5 people their jobs, you've smeared the reputation of furry further into the mud, and pretty much pissed off AT MINIMUM 263 people who rightfully enjoy the FurBQ every year....just so you can blow a load on a car hood. Absolutely disgraceful....and I really hope the town prosecutes the shit out of you for whatever they can.
That is all I am saying about this.... be on the lookout for posts from Shrotwave and Tony as well.... only I don't think theirs will be as "nice".
Thanks a lot... you 2 should be ashamed and I really hope I don't ever find out who it is.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3573735/
My emphasis.
Already, they face a heavy doom in the shape of a permanent ban from a UK furry convention:
If someone does find out who these two are could you please email me at security[at]confuzzled.org.uk so that I may add these two permanently to our ban list.
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(confuzzled head of security)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3573735/#cid:27053210
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Only this time you took our charity and instead of being the heroes and donating $600 so they could buy new equipment ...we've cost them almost $280,000 (2 ambulances + 55,000). You may have possibly cost up to 5 people their jobs
$280,000 and five jobs at steak. Is this some kind of new record?
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Pictures and widespread humiliation for the carfuckers may be forthcoming.
Ok folks, I am really amazed at the response, however, I want to clarify.... Tony, Shortwave, Aeon, and I do not physically have the pictures nor do we know who these people are..YET. The city does. Tony is working on viewing them for himself and then will have a go at speaking to these individuals privately. We will then decide what goes on after that.
The address, and more found here (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3573936/) for those wondering.
They're even starting a donation account for all those furries with money to burn.
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One of the, IMO, pathetic things about these sort of incidents is the rush of posturing and gestures which follow in their wake. Being banned from a UK furry convention isn't punishment enough, no, now they'll be banned from every single furmeet in that nation:
Please PM me the names so I can pass them on to the UKfur.org administration (unless that's done already) and have them banned from all British fur-meets
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3573735/#cid:27056197
I'm sure people living in the United States will be very worried!
There is something off about people reacting to this with such hysteria and impotent threats:
Also, I think you should release their names to the rest of the fandom. So no one ever associates with them ever again.
I want the furry and real names of these two to be publicized. I think they should be banned from every furcon from now until the end of time, and ostracized on every furry site. Additionally, whenever an employer looks up their name, I want this to come up. Because they can't figure out that sex does NOT belong in public, no matter if you think you're anonymous, I want their lives to be ruined
these people need to be blacklisted from every con, permabanned (IP as well) from every fur site online
Fuck these people...they don't deserve anymore than an ass beating and permanent shunning from the fandom
Meets, gatherings, online communities...chatrooms... picture databases. Excommunication
I think their names should be exposed so cons/meets can add these idiots to their ban lists, however the admins of FA (and any other site) should be alerted first so their respective profiles can be locked
Looks like it's time for me to go back east and crack some fucking skulls with a tire iron
I sincerely hope that the 2 mother fuckers involved in this senseless act get fucking castrated.
I do think those 2 should be strung up from a tree
Solution: Chemical Castration. That is all.
Chemical castration. Makes sense to me!
Maybe fursuiters in the future should be required to wear one more badge with their human ID on it, and random head-off check to ensure they are who their ID says they are. It would be a tough call but something has to be done about rogue suiters destroying things. Maybe have any fursuiter wishing to attend and be associated with an even sign a legal contract holding them legally, and financially responsible, as well as imposing fines for outright, stupid, irresponsible acts such as this
They lost their right to privacy by engaging in that sort of activity
I honestly hope they come forward or are forced forward and public put on trial and the world is shown that even behavior like this is not tolerate by the furry community as a whole.
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I'm sure the world is gasping to know that furries are not like this.
They should be banned from future events and should have to explain themselves to the furry community and the people they did this to..
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The idea of having to explain yourself to the "furry community" seems pretty dumb.
It's all dumb anger and the desire to see people punished. A tremendous overreaction to some people allegedly having sex in public.
Paranoia:
The people who did this could have been trolls / haters, doing it specifically to compromise the event. If they were doing it on the car (not in it like I thought) that sounds like a likely possibility. This makes me even more upset that the hosts were so quick to cancel the whole thing instead of trying to get past the event and find a way to cool things down. If it's the case (no idea if it is) the haters unfortunately won easily.
What if this was fake?
What if it was trolls who bought some animal halloween costumes and wanted to ruin it for everyone else because they knew there would be a shit storm and that no one would recognize them? Everywhere I read it seems like 'no one' saw the people having sex except for the city official and kids (hell it could even be a doctored photo by the city official because they dislike furries.)
It probably was two stupid furs who couldn't keep their dicks in their pants but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it being a set up given there are plenty of furry haters.
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It's all dumb anger and the desire to see people punished. A tremendous overreaction to some people being stupid and having sex in public.
I can understand some of the sentiment. Obviously the people going on about castration are retarded, but I think the point is it wasn't just two people being stupid, it was two people being stupid while in their fursuits. 'Representing the fandom', as it were. As a result, instead of just these two idiots facing some issues, I doubt anyone in the area will want to let anyone host anything remotely "furry" near them, and I expect that some silly parents will flip their shit if any of their kids wants to visit a con or is caught on a furry website. 'It's those disgusting costume people!'. Still, I do agree that the vast majority of the reactions are nonsensical.
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One of the, IMO, pathetic things about these sort of incidents is the rush of posturing and gestures which follow in their wake. Being banned from a UK furry convention isn't punishment enough, no, now they'll be banned from every single furmeet in that nation:
Please PM me the names so I can pass them on to the UKfur.org administration (unless that's done already) and have them banned from all British fur-meets
They can have a hypothetical hero's welcome to the Edinburgh meet from me, just to underline the fact that it matters not one fuck what anybody reports to a couple of forum staff, or what edict those staff decide to issue.
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Is there any external confirmation of any aspect of this story, or is it all FA journals from people balls deep in this mess, who, surely, have no conflict of interest or any reason to put a spin on whatever the hell is going on.
Also, does anyone remember a few years ago when something eerily similar to this happened...the gist of it was that the "furry thing" was used as a bludgeon against an individual during some kind of emergency services fight in some other little podunk Northeastern town. It didn't really have much to do with the actual situation, but these things being what they are the person was vulnerable to this sort of attack since their affiliation with furry and certain fetishy aspects thereof was well known.
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I'm tempted to call shenanigans on this.
Simply put: Pics or it didn't happen.
Out of all the attendees, NO ONE had a goddamn camera or cellphone with which to snap some photos?
And assuming it did happen, what the fuck did they expect? "Hey, let's invite a horde of furfags to a public event. What could possibly go wrong?"
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And assuming it did happen, what the fuck did they expect? "Hey, let's invite a horde of furfags to a public event. What could possibly go wrong?"
That's really a stupid thing to say.
Something happened. But until we get some external reportage on what it was, I'm just going to assume the cops got called to the NJ FurBQ for some unknown reason, and everyone's gone into CYA mode. Until the police report is released or local media picks this up, everyone is lying.
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That's really a stupid thing to say.
Hence my doubt as to what, if anything, actually happened.
Meanwhile, let's chew popcorn and wait for more reports. This might actually get good.
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So now it sounds like the council member has the pictures, and are using them as blackmail:
When I was driving up to AC I got a phone call from the Chief, who basically advised me that during the BBQ, there was a pair of fursuiters out in front of the building doing some "activities" and a town councilman, after "receiving a complaint from his neighbor about the party at the squad", decided to come by himself and took a picture of these so called activities. The councilman waited for the public safety meeting to address the concerns with the Chief and President of the squad, making it clear that the squad needed to separate themselves from the perceived acts that us furries are portrayed in doing, with the picture being shown as evidence of the portrail he was referring to.
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As much as I hate to admit it, I kinda have to agree with doubtingwolf a few posts up.
This supposedly happened several weeks ago (Pre-AC, at least), and if it was really as big a deal as these people are making it out to be, there'd be -some- mention of it in some media somewhere. I mean, look at the fervor they've whipped up in those comments. Without any real proof or evidence that what they say happened actually happened, and despite how easy it is to believe it -could- have happened, I think the whole thing needs to be taken with a rather large grain of salt.
It's beginning to feel like the prelude to a witch hunt, really. Let the anger and the posturing build up, drop a couple names, then sit back and watch the fireworks.
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Completely uninvolved person allegedly becomes recipient of dumb anger and outrage:
some idiot posted on a trollsite, blaming my mate Spacewolf for having done it. And now a good deal of furs are believing in that troll-gossip, and are bashing him in Private Messages over FA, making him feel horrible about it.
I know for a fact he's innocent in this. First of all, he's my boyfriend, and I know he would never do such a thing as cheating on me. Secondly, he lives in WISCONSIN, which just happens to be halfway across the freaking U.S, if he'd suddenly travel to New Jersey, I'd be the first to know. And even then I know he wouldn't go there anyway, seeing as he's got TWO jobs, working his ass off.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3577013/
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Someone on lulz.net is very suspicious:
The more that comes out and the more that changes, the more this appears to be major bullshit.
There is much missing information and several red flags are popping up in my mind.
First he mentions squad lawyer. I am not sure exactly what type of squad he is, but if he works for the city the city has council. Those lawyers do not represent the individual workers and in fact are somewhat adversarial in position.
He also makes the ambiguous statement "due to legal complications"-- this statement a bullshit statement.
Placing civil or criminal responsibility onto the "squad" or other individual persons who did not commit the supposed act is very unlikely giving the available information.*
*Disclaimer: I am only familiar with common law and California law, I do not know the subtle inner workings of New Jersey.
http://lulz.net/furi/res/2169375.html
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I know for a fact he's innocent in this. First of all, he's my boyfriend, and I know he would never do such a thing as cheating on me.
(http://i.imgur.com/Kbo5L.gif)
I'm amused by how none of them are willing to talk about fucking on a website about fucking. It's all "activities" and innuendo.
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The who thing pings off the scale on the bullshit meter:
- There's a headline that the press would salivate over, "man dressed as dog has sex with/on car with another man dressed as a dog", and no local or national media has picked it up. Moreover, there's evidence that, if something did happen, the local government is covering it up because it would "look bad". What reporter wouldn't love to dig into that scandal?
- Hundreds of thousands of dollars in funding (depending on which story you read) were to be slashed from a public safety budget, and there's no mention of it anywhere in the news.
- There's "evidence" of a sex crime involving minors, and there's no record of a police report, complaint, or arrest (Important Note: In many states, covering up such a crime is just as bad, from a legal standpoint, as committing it yourself).
- According to at least one account all of this happened *in the parking lot* of a police station in the wake of a relatively high-profile kidnapping within the community, and there was no report, no arrest... Nothing.
- The "evidence" was was presented at a town council meeting which there is no record of, and was apparently not open to the media/public.
- Nobody is, or will ever be, allowed to the "evidence" this entire scandal is based on.
- The story has changed several times: First the organizers hadn't seen the pics, then they had and could confirm that they were real and very graphic, then they hadn't seen them and couldn't comment on anything because lawyers are getting involved. First it happened near the police station, then across the street from it, then in the parking lot.
The end sounds a lot like: We have evidence that something "inappropriate" happened, but we aren't going to peruse it any further and we aren't going to let you see it, so you'd best just go away or else we'll make life "difficult" for you. Either that, or the organizers simply got tired of hosting the event. It's easier to blame to anonymous idiots than it is to face the local drama-bomb fall-out from saying "we don't want to do this anymore." I'd make it a 50/50 split between the two.
The fact that this also came out the same day that there were reports of sexual assaults coming out of AC (which were all but drowned out by this story) also raises eyebrows.
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On further review...
http://www.westwindsornj.org/documents/2012MunicipalBudget.pdf
West Windsor's 2012 Municipal Budget outlines that $45,000 was allocated to the "Twin 'W' First Aid Squad" (Page 24 in the PDF, Page 7 of the budget itself). Since the story quotes "two ambulances plus $55,000", it appears they've had their entire operating budget plus an additional magic $10,000 taken from them.
Changing a budget, especially to the extremes being mentioned here, is not something that can usually be done in one Town Council meeting. The June 11th meeting agenda (http://www.westwindsornj.org/TC-documents/2012/tcagenda061112/Jun11BusinessAgenda.pdf) doesn't outline any budget changes, nor does it appear on the agenda for the meeting on May 29th (http://www.westwindsornj.org/TC-documents/2012/tcagenda052912/May29BusinessAgenda.pdf), days after this happened. Unless it's upcoming business or a threat to next year's budget, I think it's safe to say something is up here.
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re: the squad having a lawyer. In the northeastern United States it is very common for the structure of small-town emergency services to be such that a formerly loosely-structured volunteer squad has incorporated as some kind of legal entity (non-profit, or whatever, I don't know) and gets a periodic contract with the local government to provide services. It is very possible someone had an axe to grind with these people, and whatever happened (or didn't) is being used against them in an unrelated dispute.
Whatever state law New Jersey has regarding such arrangements probably addresses the issue of legal representation and/or dispute resolution.
It seems very plausible to me that this guy was not too quiet about the furry thing, and everyone kinda knew about it - knew enough to know they didn't want to know more, and tolerated it, until someone decided to use it in a personal attack to gain the upper hand in some sort of unrelated business or administrative squabble.
I don't know. I agree with quantityorama that someone is trying to distract from something. I'm not sure that anything outside of this specific situation is related (ie. sexual assaults at AC, which, by the way, is anyone really surprised there? Have fun spinnin' that story in the local press, Sam.), but it seems like there's no point in doing much of anything but waiting until something authoritative comes out (ie. town meeting minutes that address the issues). Because right now, all we have are FA journals from this guy. Which borders on worthless - ie. not even worth reading.
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I'm not quite ready to believe this is part of any sort of 'personal attack' against the people who were organizing/running this thing, and as Conan has shown, the bullshit about them losing $55k in budget is exactly that - bullshit.
Another possibility comes to mind - maybe the place where they were holding the event just plain got sick of furries. I mean, it's essentially the same thing they're claiming happened, only without the oh-so-sensational reason of people getting caught screwing in public.
Think about it. A group of people who already can't grasp the finer points of acceptable public behavior getting thrown out of a location for activities that, to them, seem 'normal' and 'harmless'? True, terrible behavior runs amok at conventions, but the difference there is that contracts and money are involved, and certain things can be overlooked or smoothed out with 'palm grease', so to speak. I get the impression that there was no money paid to whatever locale was hosting the event; maybe they left a mess, maybe they were too loud, maybe they were just obnoxious.
Looking back over the quoted FA posts, the guy says that a councilman came by to take pictures after receiving a complaint from a neighbor. Come the fuck on. If my neighbor is having a party with people being loud, obnoxious or, as is alleged here, screwing in plain view, I'm not going to call a city councilman. I'm going to call the cops.
And on top of everything else, police and fire departments around the country are cutting staff and budgets like crazy these days, because nobody has any damn money. Maybe this supposed phone call the poster received from the chief was just to tell him they were letting him go due to downsizing. This could also very likely have absolutely nothing to do with the party.
So here are my 4 predicted outcome possibilities:
1. The organizers decided they don't want to run it any more, and made up the whole thing to give them an excuse to stop
2. It's the prelude to a witch hunt and some names will be dropped after sufficient fervor has been worked up
3. The venue kicked them out because _____fill in the blank____
4. The organizer got shitcanned and is using this as an excuse
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The journals outlining details for donating have been deleted.
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The journals outlining details for donating have been deleted.
Does anyone have them 'capped? I want to know if the donation URLs are still valid.
After digesting the spotty initial information this whole thing smacked of a money grab, similar to some of the things coming out of AC/Kage/2, etc. Admittedly a pretty elaborate setup, but what's 20 minutes to come up with a story, throw it on a few journals, then do a couple days' follow-up when you could stand to make 5 figures?
The last thing which should ever happen is furries discover Kickstarter or ChipIn or... awww fuck, too late. Talk about going for the low-hanging fruit.
ProvincialTwit hit another nail, probably far closer to the truthful heart of the matter. Makes you wonder if all this was just a fabrication of disguise. Just too many holes in the story to be legit.
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I'm not sure that anything outside of this specific situation is related
Yeah, probably not. That's just wild conspiracy theorizing on my part...
Another possibility comes to mind - maybe the place where they were holding the event just plain got sick of furries. I mean, it's essentially the same thing they're claiming happened, only without the oh-so-sensational reason of people getting caught screwing in public.
This. I really think they were just sick of having furries around and wanted to find a way to get rid of them... That having been said, I'm not sure that alleging that a sex crime involving minors is the best way to go about this (something about drinking, for example, would get the job done without all the messiness that comes with covering up what, in most localities, would be considered a serious crime)... But that also assumes that what's being alleged here actually happened (they've backpedaled from fursuiters having sex in public to fursuiters doing something "inappropriate" which could be anything from having sex to simply being inconveniently located near the councilman's car), and wasn't just something that was fabricated to stir up furry outrage.
After digesting the spotty initial information this whole thing smacked of a money grab, similar to some of the things coming out of AC/Kage/2, etc.
It could be that the organizers got the axe due to the budget cuts, and fabricated the story so that they could get furries to donate and save their jobs. Which would be especially convenient if the town had already told them not to come back because the neighbors were complaining about noise/drunken people passed out on cars/lawns/properties, etc. The journal here (http://'http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3505084/') mentions that due to some unspecified "large incident" they may need to ban alcohol in the future (which is funny, because that's not mentioned anywhere else the discussion of this incident); it also seems to imply that they know who was involved, what happened, and that police were involved (from the comments: "This incident was big enough to almost result in the PD breaking it up")... Even though they now claim to have no clear idea what happened or who may have been involved... And there's no record that I can find of the police having been called to any kind of disturbance on that day. I would think that if it was something as serious as somebody potentially exposing themselves to children while dressed as a cartoon animal had actually happened, and police had been called, somebody would have been arrested (and there would be some report/charges related to the issue).
It's also possible that something did happen, but the town agreed to help sweep it under the rug... But, were that the case, why on earth would you then go on the internet and broadcast what happened to the ENTIRE WORLD?
*shrug* I just find it funny that, of all the people involved, and for all that they complain about the way they are portrayed in the media, the first people to assume the worst (and simultaneously ready the torches and pitchforks) are furries themselves. Has to be one of the most schizophrenic and/or self-loathing fandoms I have ever encountered.
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So, I can't help but be slightly suspicious about all this, since I was one of the attendees, and was one of the last people to leave the FurBQ at 11pm. Essentially, what's being claimed here is that a public official was out at this barbeque past 11pm, when there were only 15 or so people still remaining, with his small children, even though most normal parents put their kids to bed before that (if they were there that late, the kids didn't get put to bed until well after midnight). If it happened before then, I imagine it would have been really difficult to keep something like that quiet. Mystery abound.
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I saw a ChipIn link on Twitter
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Yeah, someone was claiming the ChipIn was frozen, but I just tested it out, and it seems to work. At least, I got to the page that allows me to submit a donation.
I will say this though-- I remember at the FurBQ, there was a fairly attractive middle-aged blonde woman with kids, the only one who brought children with her. Originally I thought she was just a furry (or the mother of someone who is a furry), but it's occurring to me now that she was likely Council Member Kristina Samonte. (http://www.westwindsornj.org/council_members.html) If someone wanted to, they could likely call that number, and ask if she was at the event, and if these events did transpire. If such is the case, then it would bring a lot of clarity to the situation.
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i lol'd Leave it to one of the trashiest states in USA. Go NJ!
Sex in public, wouldn't have done much anywhere else in USA.
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I will say this though-- I remember at the FurBQ, there was a fairly attractive middle-aged blonde woman with kids, the only one who brought children with her. Originally I thought she was just a furry (or the mother of someone who is a furry), but it's occurring to me now that she was likely Council Member Kristina Samonte. (http://www.westwindsornj.org/council_members.html) If someone wanted to, they could likely call that number, and ask if she was at the event, and if these events did transpire. If such is the case, then it would bring a lot of clarity to the situation.
I'll try to get in contact.
EDIT:
I was uncategorically not in attendance at this event. My child was also uncategorically not in attendance at this event. All questions pertaining to this event, should be addressed to, Michael Herbert,West Windsor's township attorney. I have copied him on this correspondence should you wish to contact him with any further questions.
Regards,
Kristina Samonte
Council Member
West Windsor Township
So much for that. She Cc'd in the attorney though, I doubt it'd be worth contacting him but if any of you feel the need, I'll post his email.
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That email does provide the valuable insight that it seems to have actually happened. Believe me, if the furries behind this were making it up, Ms. Samonite would have either ignored the email or just said "I don't know what you're talking about", not "I wasn't there, please talk to the attorney."
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Defensive email is defensive, and highly suspicious.
I really, really want you to reply to her with "why so serious?"
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It does sounds really defensive but if anyone's going to push the topic with her it won't be me.
If you wanna contact her or the attorney all their info can be found on that link ben posted.
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Nope there will be none of that shit here thanks.
To clarify: I don't care what you people do on your own time but I don't want any contact info for these people posted here.
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uncategorically not in attendance
wtf does that even mean
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uncategorically not in attendance
wtf does that even mean
Sounds like a plausible deniability line. Maybe she works for the CIA?
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Oh you can get the intended meaning, if you don't think about it too much. I'm sure she didn't.
(Seriously, though, this is what you get with people who hear things, don't actually know what they are/what they mean, plus a hearty dose of meth and a couple of critical brain regions missing. She is trying to issue a "categorical denial", probably on the advice of this lawyer character. Which is, as pointed out above, very odd. Perhaps this Average American Mom didn't like the weird gay nerds at this FurBQ, and used her position on the school board town council to do something that crossed ethical/legal boundaries, and now that she realizes that the shit has hit the fan, she's retained a lawyer? Dunno! But it is very odd.)
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Seriously people this thread is gettin' real fuckin' dumb, real fuckin' fast. I think you're reading way too much into the response of someone you probably shouldn't have been pestering in the first place. For all you know, this poor woman could've been dealing with angry emails from other furfags demanding to know what happened and/or making baseless accusations about her supposed involvement in the death of the 'furbq' (ugh).
The whole situation still smacks of an attempt by the people running the thing to convince the community (and possibly themselves) that they lost their event space and/or jobs due to the actions of some specific 'others', thereby absolving themselves and the community at large from any blame. And the 'fundraiser' looks like an old school money grab to pay their bills while they flail around looking for work.
I'm not discounting that, perhaps, a pair of Very Special individuals decided to get their fuck on in fursuits and in public, and that has contributed to the organizer's woes. But a lot of what's been said has already proven to be completely untrue (having more of their budget cut than was ever actually allocated?), or on shaky ground at best (someone sees two people going at it in public and calls a 'city councilman' instead of the police?).
I know it's rare these days to get such a gem of potentially hilarious drama from amidst all the commonplace furry idiocy, but seriously, calm the fuck down.
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Here's a news media article:
A “FurBQ” party attended by guests dressed in animal costumes at the Twin “W” Rescue Squad building has drawn criticism from township officials after a couple openly engaged in unseemly behavior during the event and too many people crowded into the party, which drew a visit from the police.
Mayor Shing-Fu Hsueh called the May 26 Memorial Day barbecue “inappropriate” and said the squad’s president, Mike Leahy, subsequently met with former township administrator Bob Hary and Police Chief Joseph Pica to discuss the event, which had been held on the grounds at least once before. Leahy promised the barbecue would never take place there again, township attorney Mike Herbert said.
Herbert said the couple, who could not be identified, engaged in “inappropriate behavior.” They were spotted outside the building in the middle of the day, according to accounts of the party posted online by attendees. “People were appalled by what transpired there,” Councilman George Borek said last week.
The event was a summertime gathering for “furries,” people who like to dress in what they call “fur suits,” animal costumes that look similar to sporting mascots. The furry culture includes artists and writers who focus on anthropomorphic animals as their subjects and discuss them online. Many participants create their own characters and matching costumes that they wear to furry conferences and other events.
The West Windsor party was organized by a rescue squad volunteer who calls himself “Tony Ringtail” in postings on the site Furaffinity.net.
“West Windsor is an extremely professional organization that will not put up with any inappropriate behavior, no matter who it’s from,” Herbert said. “This should’ve never happened and will never happen again, and if it does, then the relationship between the township and the Twin W will have to be re-evaluated.” The rescue squad building and property is owned by the nonprofit Twin “W” First Aid Squad Inc. About half of the staff are paid township employees and half are volunteers.
In addition to paying employees, the township supplies ambulances and other equipment and the council recently approved $45,000 in annual funding for the group, a $15,000 increase. It was the first increase in the township’s donation in 20 years, Leahy said. According to Herbert, since Twin W owns the building and the property, the township had no say in the decision to hold the party there. And Leahy said what happened during the party had been blown out of proportion.
“Everything was kept in a back area. There was nothing in the front,” he said. “People like to fabricate, and we have no knowledge of any problem.” But he acknowledged that the party was not altogether problem-free.
“The township was concerned that there were too many people at the party. There were nearly 200 people there, so that’s a little bit too much, even for our organization,” Leahy said. He said some of the paid Twin W employees were unhappy this type of party was taking place in the building. They knew an event was planned but did not know its exact nature in advance, he said.
According to posts on the Furaffinity site, the couple’s actions took place in front of many people in the middle of the day, including children. West Windsor Lt. Pat McCormack said police were called to the party but refused to go into further detail, saying the issue was being handled as a “personnel matter.”
A YouTube video of the party, which showed guests grilling and dancing to music, drew several critical comments and video responses from self-described furries lambasting the two people involved in the incident. An online fundraising campaign was started after the barbecue and had raised close to $2,500 as of yesterday afternoon, according to the fundraising site at ChipIn.com.
“Concerned furries have started this fundraiser to help the Twin ‘W’ Rescue Squad, which used to host the NJ FurBQ, recover some of the funds that were lost during some recent unfortunate events,” the website read. According to posts by “Tony Ringtail,” the party organizer, the barbecue itself raised $300 for the squad.
A link from Ringtail’s online profile points to a defunct website that was registered to Anthony Bianca, according to a registration record. Lt. Tony Bianca, a member and administrator at the Twin W, could not be reached for comment.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2012/07/animal-themed_party_at_west_wi.html
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So Tony Ringtail mixed work and furry a little too freely, the FurBQ got a little too big to control everyone...and the inevitable happened. I like how there was all kinds of pushback online to the obvious and sensible reaction "This is why I don't tell people I'm furry", but you know what? Paychecks are better than some kind of Internet philosophy argument about how being furry and being gay are the same, and that you shouldn't hide it. (For what it's worth, volunteering information about yourself is kinda awkward behavior anyway. Do you tell everyone you meet that you happen to like Android phones or Macintosh computers?)
At any rate, don't ever get into a situation where you will be held responsible for the possible misbehavior of furries. Because you will regret it.
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Herbert said the couple, who could not be identified, engaged in “inappropriate behavior.”
haha, that's the lawyer council member samonte Cc'd my email to. I was pretty clear that i was just looking for info on some rumors in the email, but this has me wondering.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955N2-9G8A8
FURBQ News Report 7/3/12
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http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2012/08/west_windsor_volunteers_barred.html
It's the story that keeps on giving!
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Well, I suspected this whole thing was more about the fact that the volunteer fire/rescue squad's existence was politically inconvenient concerning the town government's intention to privatize those services, and I felt the whole shenanigan about the weird furry party that the threw and alleged photos of the murry purry fursuit games merely presented convenient opportunities for the town to get away with eliminating the volunteer service without backlash from the community at large. It seems that my suspicions have largely been confirmed.
TLDR: it's politics as usual and has little if anything to do with the furry event.