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Daggers and Spears and Songs => Scandal! => Topic started by: BaconQuicheWithSpinach on December 23, 2010, 06:35:58 am
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I'm curious to know what happened that caused him and Keovi to split up, assuming people have been trawling through his notes, if it's there at all.
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It could have been any one of a million incredibly fucked-up and terrible possibilities, given what we now know.
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I don't know; I guess that something extraordinary is possible but just going with Occam's Razor and what was said at the time of their breakup I don't think there's a lot there. I mean, it's certainly possible or even likely that he forced himself on her one or more times, but to read both parties' journals it sounded like, at the time, they had an open relationship, and she got plenty and he basically got none (that was also mentioned in Ferality's leaked note, I believe). Combine that with the fact that Adam Wan is almost universally regarded as an abrasive asshole, contrasted with the nice things I've seen people write about Keovi...I'm guessing someone finally convinced her she could and should do better.
I guess what I'm saying is that it probably happened over time, which is how most relationships end. That and the fact that open relationships never work and are often entered into as an ill-fated attempt to patch an irreparable relationship.
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I'm curious to know what happened that caused him and Keovi to split up, assuming people have been trawling through his notes, if it's there at all.
Hey.
Hey.
Shut up and go back to...pfft...'furstralia'...ahaahahaha jesus christ that is almost worse than 'rainfurrest' goddamn you people
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I'm curious to know what happened that caused him and Keovi to split up, assuming people have been trawling through his notes, if it's there at all.
Nobody cares.
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I'm curious to know what happened that caused him and Keovi to split up, assuming people have been trawling through his notes, if it's there at all.
I think the "adam wan isn't a very good person, we only put up with him because he draws dongs" thing has a lot to do with it.
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I'm curious to know what happened that caused him and Keovi to split up, assuming people have been trawling through his notes, if it's there at all.
I think the "adam wan isn't a very good person, we only put up with him because he draws dongs" thing has a lot to do with it.
no you retard he draws good so who cares if hes a good person or not!?!?!
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I don't know; I guess that something extraordinary is possible but just going with Occam's Razor and what was said at the time of their breakup I don't think there's a lot there. I mean, it's certainly possible or even likely that he forced himself on her one or more times, but to read both parties' journals it sounded like, at the time, they had an open relationship, and she got plenty and he basically got none (that was also mentioned in Ferality's leaked note, I believe). Combine that with the fact that Adam Wan is almost universally regarded as an abrasive asshole, contrasted with the nice things I've seen people write about Keovi...I'm guessing someone finally convinced her she could and should do better.
I guess what I'm saying is that it probably happened over time, which is how most relationships end. That and the fact that open relationships never work and are often entered into as an ill-fated attempt to patch an irreparable relationship.
It's honestly amazing just how far Wan got. Even for someone who could draw/was popular. It's as if nobody suspected for a second that the furry subculture would eventually harbor sexual predators that targeted, you know, women.
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It's honestly amazing just how far Wan got. Even for someone who could draw/was popular. It's as if nobody suspected for a second that the furry subculture would eventually harbor sexual predators that targeted, you know, women.
They were too busy covering up the ones that targeted children and animals
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Zaush has now posted a journal. Essentially it seems to be; I'm a hopeless flirt suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune *sigh*:
At this moment, I'm sitting at my parent's house during the holidays, which is up in Oregon. I don't have much access to a computer while I'm up here, but I'm doing my best to at least pop on here and let people know I'm not pulling out of FA.
The attack on FA happened the Friday that I flew out of state, and all of my submissions have been deleted and notes collected. Those personal notes have been spread around various sites, though I doubt anyone choosing to read them will learn much more than new and inventive ways to turn down commissions.
My submissions should be back up in a few days, according to Dragoneer, and at that point I'll need to re-upload the files attached to them. Not really a big deal, but I doubt I'll be able to get around to it before I'm back home in CA, some time after the 27th.
I hope everyone has a great time with family and friends this holiday season, I know I am. I'm soaking up every minute of it that I can.
Merry Christmas FA!
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Against my better judgement, I'm going to say a few things about all the other misinformation going around about me. Skip this part if you don't care, or you'd prefer to avoid drama. In fact, you might be better off skipping it anyway, because I have a way of over-wording shit and it's probably pretty boring.
I'd like to apologize to anyone who was mentioned or dragged into this mess. You don't deserve this kind of negative attention. For the record, half of the people mentioned by a certain individual are people I've never even met in person.
That said, those seeking specific details about any of this can find that information elsewhere. There exist various screenshots of chat logs, taken by me, of my conversation with said individual. They were highly private, and took valuable time away from my family visit to collect. I had to remote VNC connection into the computer the chatting took place from, then take screenshots of the log viewer window. Though salacious in nature, and from an earlier time in my life, they show that none of my actions were against the will of another. If you still choose to believe otherwise, then I can't account for your thirst for gossip and drama. At worst, you could probably accuse me of being a hopeless flirt, and sexually active. Let me know when those become illegal, or anybody else's business, for that matter.
Nothing I say will stop people from commenting here or elsewhere, but please keep the drama to yourself. You may want to voice your hatred toward me, my accuser, or others, but there's no swifter way to end up on my block list (whenever I get around to it, and if you don't get banned or moderated for harassment). It's inappropriate. I don't care what you think you know or what you heard from a friend of a friend, and I doubt anyone else cares either. If your goal is to get a rise out of me, then you don't know how often I've dealt with the same kind of grade-school politics and immature bullshit. The world has seen it all, and it got old a long time ago.
If you still can't keep it to yourself, I hear I have a regular thread on lulz you're welcome to contribute to. As an added bonus, the people there are glad to gobble up any new dirt you can make up about me, and you won't even be asked to account for any of it.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1966002/
Glancing at the comments as well, AFAICS, there is no evidence of any introspection, reassessment of behaviour or anything. He even takes the chance to boast about how you can't afford to commission him.
One thing I thought was particularly telling was the statement by Ferality in her note to 'neer that Zaush claimed that she owed him sex. Consensual sex is something entered into freely, so if one is using leverage("you owe me") to obtain sex, it's not really consensual.
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Anyhow, for the record here is a round up of what has been revealed and transpired so far.
Notes between Ferality and Dragoneer (the leaking of which started this). I seems from the time stamps ("15 days ago" last saturday) the notes were sent around the end of November/start of December:
I'd like your advice on an issue I have with a very well-known user of this site. I don't know who else I could turn to.
Less than a year ago this user coerced me into having sex with him. He manipulated me emotionally when I was depressed and especially vulnerable. I am still dealing with the trauma that situation has caused.
Only after my experience with him did I hear about him having done the same thing to other female artists within the furry fandom before. I do wish someone had warned me about him. I know that he is beginning the cycle again with at least one female artist that I know, who has just turned 18. He is at least 27 years of age and is very well aware of what he is doing. I can only speculate how many others he has solicited.
It especially concerns me that while in his presence, he boasted about his previous use of alcohol to rape a girl.
My question to you is should I stay quiet like that majority of his victims have, or should I say something? And if I do say something, should I avoid saying it on FA? I have never spoken up about my experience with him except to those closest to me. If I could prevent him from abusing another person like he has me, I think it would be worth it.
Thank you for your time,
-Ferality
Can you give me the details on the person/circumstances/dates/times?
I promise I will keep it confidential. But if he's doing something like that I can try to do a quick survey from my side to see if I can see any discernible issues.
Plus (don't take this the wrong way) going public with anything like this turns dirty. Sometimes it's best to know the circumstances between all involved.
Thank you, and I agree that something like this would probably turn dirty, which is why I chose to contact you first. Drama or revenge is not what I am after - what has been done has been done, and I only seek to prevent it from happening to other people.
The person is Zaush, and the date of the event this past new years weekend. I had been talking with him via aim (sadly I do not have any logs) and personal cell phone texts/calls. This was also when he had still been in a relationship with his ex-fiance, Keovi. They had both explained to me that they were in a "swinging" relationship when I met them in person at Califur earlier that year (June 5-7, 2009). During the convention he expressed interest in having sex with me, which I declined and let him know I had a boyfriend. He then proceeds to try and convince me to do an art trade with him depicting our characters having sexual relations, to which I told him I wasn't comfortable with. I told them both that I admired their artwork and intended only to be friends with them. They both seemed ok with this.
After the convention Zaush talks to me on AIM and constantly brings up sexual conversations. I eventually tell him I was physically incapable of having penetrative sex, which at the time was a great source of depression for me, in hopes that he would leave me alone . He goes on to insist that I am emotionally broken and my current relationship is the source of my agony. The relationship I was in ended shortly after this exchange, and I sought to spend some time single in order to figure some things out for myself.
I continued to talk to both Zaush and Keovi during this time, and decided to visit them in early October in order to take a look at Keovi's art college, since I was seeking out possible colleges to transfer to (I was nearing the end of my associates degree). During my stay there I was constantly pressured by Zaush into having sex with he and Keovi although I explained to him before I arrived and during my stay that I was not interested. I eventually relented and allowed him to massage me while I was topless. He then proceeded to pull down my shorts every chance he got while he was on top of me. At this point I was too confused and intimidated to tell either of them I was uncomfortable. This event ended in them having sex together in front of me. I left the next day.
I stopped talking to Zaush after this for a while, but eventually resumed contact with him nearing the end of the year. He began insisting that I visit again, stating that it wasn't fair that Keovi slept around when he didn't get to, and that I owed him sex. He called me angrily twice to yell at me about his frustrations that I wasn't comfortable visiting or having sex with him. I became very depressed. He began to explain that he was just trying to act in my best interests, and that he could help me with my sexual dysfunction. He claimed to have helped Shinigamigirl with the same issue.
When he explained that Keovi was going to China to spend new years eve with her father, he again pleaded that I would come down to spend the weekend with him. After being badgered and harassed I gave in and arrived at his house. He called Keovi shortly after I arrived and asked her permission to have sex with me, which I think was also another way to manipulate me. He asked me if I had ever drank before and I said no, then proceeded to tell me that he wouldn't give me any alcohol before he fucked me because he had been accused by a woman of using alcohol to her. This made me very uncomfortable. We were the only ones at his house and I was 3+ hours away from home. I insisted that we use condoms, but he would not. Since he was much larger than me (I am 5'2") I felt like he could become violent if I had chosen to leave at that time. So I stayed had unprotected penetrative sex with him at his house. I spent two nights (December 31st 2009, January 1st 2010) and left in the morning of the third day (January 2nd 2010) because I had work later that same day. He begged me to quit my job and stay with him because he was so lonely. I was glad to have an excuse to leave. I have been testing for all major STDs ever since.
Sorry for being so long-winded. This was my personal encounter. The artists I know of which either he has stated he has done this to, or have stated themselves that he has approached them soliciting sex are: Littlebluewolf, Shinigamigirl, WolfNymph, Vantid, and most recently Rainbowjokerhound (the 18 year old I spoke of). I am concerned for the safety of other female artists because he chooses to prey on smaller females (around 5 feet in height) while he is actively working out and taking protein suppliments, is emotionally manipulative, and becomes verbally violent when resisted.
Thank you for your time,
-Ferality
Okay, yeah... that's... I'll need some time to think this one over. It's definitely a complex issue.
Thank you for taking the time to think about it. I know Zaush contributes to the site and is definitely fairly popular (which is why I hesitated to say anything about this to anyone) but I'm worried he might do what he did to me, or worse, to someone else. I'm not sure asking you to ban him would do much to help the issue, though. And I am not sure that he directly uses FA to solicit sex from people, so if that's the case I can understand how it might be out of your hands. That's why I wanted to ask your advice, and I do trust your judgment.
If it ends up being the only thing I can do is to continue avoiding him while looking out for other female artists and warning them in private about his tendencies, then that's that. I wont bring this issue public, and I do ask that you notify me before you say anything publicly, or even to Zaush. I'm afraid he might try to harass me (he may still have my phone number and other important information).
Thanks for hearing me out,
-Ferality
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Zaush's intitial reactions (on twitter) was to deny everything & he posted logs of conversations he allegedly had with Ferality, in order to bolster his position.
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http://i54.tinypic.com/2vanvc1.jpg
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Quite quickly after this all came to light, someone left a shout on Zaush's page saying that they told him this would happen if he kept on behaving as he did. They also refer to Zaush's "other secret" (thus far, not brought to light).
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Littlebluewolf states that Zaush tried the same things he tried on Ferality, on her
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http://i52.tinypic.com/2pts048.jpg
http://bridgeportcat.livejournal.com/96818.html?thread=707122#t707122
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A friend of Keovi states that they've known about Zaush's behavior for a long time, also confirms that Zaush' attempted to "agressively sabotage" Littlebluewolf's relationship with her BF
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http://fifteen10.com/saves/journals/1952230/2010-12-19T04:56:16-05:00.html#cid:16202235
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Dragoneer posted a (now deleted, but archiveD) journal about FA's data loss disaster and naturally people started asking him about Zaush. He apparantly hadn't read the origal note properly, since he appears to think that Zaush backed off and he says what Zaush did was not rape.
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http://fifteen10.com/saves/journals/1952576/2010-12-19T15:38:11-05:00.html
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Dragoneer made a journal about "the Zaush issue", to try and clarify his original comment. He later deleted this journal, but it was archived.
http://fifteen10.com/saves/journals/1952576/2010-12-19T15:38:11-05:00.html#cid:16206614
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Ferality spoke on the journal about her opinion of Dragoneer and what she was doing now.
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On a members-only and closed livejournal community, Furrydrama_2, Dragoneer stated in a now deleted thread that his own GF was able to identify Zaush merely from the description of his behaviour and that he had tried to make her have sex with him too (presumably before she entered into a relationship with 'Neer):
I tried to clarify that, but I doubt it will matter at this point. When I told Sciggles of this, I left out names... and she mentioned that Zaush tried to do something like this to even her. But she mentioned when she said no, despite him keeping asking and insisting, he backed off.
So I can't verify it on every instance, but I didn't agree with Zaush and the accusations concerned me. I just didn't want her getting burned.
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1966002/
http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,442.msg4108.html#msg4108
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Zaush posts a journal on FA about all this.
I find it astonishing that Neers GF was able to identify the person as Zaush right away, simply from a description of his behaviour. I didn't notice the boasting about using alcohol to facilitate rape before either. :/
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There exist various screenshots of chat logs, taken by me, of my conversation with said individual. They were highly private, and took valuable time away from my family visit to collect. I had to remote VNC connection into the computer the chatting took place from, then take screenshots of the log viewer window. Though salacious in nature, and from an earlier time in my life, they show that none of my actions were against the will of another. If you still choose to believe otherwise, then I can't account for your thirst for gossip and drama. At worst, you could probably accuse me of being a hopeless flirt, and sexually active. Let me know when those become illegal, or anybody else's business, for that matter.
IT'S HARD OUT THERE FOR A CRAZY LIL' FLIRT LIKE ZAUSH
Zaush you write like a fucking sociopath and I hope you choke on your fey little Citras you fucking monster.
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Really what does it is the unrelenting use of the passive voice when describing a highly personal situation.
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The arrogance displayed here is incredible. Your comment on twitter to her about needing to have a "serious discussion", followed by voluntary leaking, on your part, of private conversations in attempt to vindicate yourself, is bordering on a smear campaign against the accuser. That's arrogance. What you might have done might not have been illegal but it does make you a bad person. The accuser, I will add, made no effort to conduct such a campaign against you - had the leaks not happened due to third parties, this never would have come to light. And the poster above who insinuated that she might have been involved in the hacking, that's all-together laughable, and a conspiracty theory worthy of the best tinfoil hat. She is totally innocent in ALL of this. I don't recall her ever claiming it was outright 'rape' but it was certainly a form of coercion, and the fact that other women (at least one other, judging by Twitter screencaps) backing up that sort of behavior from you is altogether damning.
You could have admitted that you crossed some sort of line. But maybe you don't really think you did. Maybe you just don't have any empathy at all. I'm not qualified to say so. But I would have a lot more respect for you if you had either admitted to bad behavior, or even done or said nothing at all (as your 'accuser' has admirably done through all of this, much to gain the respect of many). But you took an aggressive campaign to show logs that had no business seeing the light of day. And I don't dispute their authenticity either, but I do dispute how genuine her remarks might have been, especially in stark contrast to what she said to Dragoneer, which was under no pressure or pretense of any action being taken (meaning, it was 100% honest). Sometimes people say things because they think that's what someone else wants to hear, not because it's genuinely what they think.
Comment of the fucking year. Bravo, good sir.
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The sad part is that what he is accused of is pretty much on the level of what Assange is accused of in Sweden. The Swedes have very strong rape laws where you can't even emotionally force someone of the opposite (or same!) sex to have sex with you; it's a form of rape but not as serious as the extremely violent kind (rape then murder) or the type where the attacker uses physical coercion but doesn't involve significant amounts of violence. Regardless, it's still rape because you used a non-physical form of intimidation to force or attempt to force someone to have sex with you.
The ass-kissing in that thread is fucking unbelievable, someday I hope he fucks up and gets caught~ :I
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Somewhere someone said that a lot of people close to him believed he could become violent if he didn't get his way. So there was the threat of violence, which is a bit more than just emotional manipulation.
But yes, what constitutes rape is not just defined by the law.
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It literally hurts to read the fucking comments on that journal.
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It literally hurts to read the fucking comments on that journal.
Minnieshoof is the worst fucking thing and I want to give him all the punches forever.
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For me, the worst thing by far are the posts of support by female artists. Female artists that could have easily been among his targets.
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For me, the worst thing by far are the posts of support by female artists. Female artists that could have easily been among his targets.
Don't you know that ALL the ladies love the Wan(g)? BPC is just jealous that he wouldn't put out.
Oh wait most furries are gigantic attention whores who always want free stuff and more than anything want to be acknowledged in a positive manner by the popular people, my bad I forgot.
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Zaush raped me!
BUT PEOPLE LIKE HIM AND HE DESIGNED OUR NEW UI.
TL;DR version.
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Jude Prudence argues that Zaush is mentally ill:
There is only about a single degree that separates what Adam Wan did to ferality and actual rape. Barely any distinction need even be made in the circumstances and events that've come to light in recent memory and I find myself conflicted in even stating this, because I know what it sounds like. Rest assured, I find Zaush's actions as disgusting as you do. I was appalled as much as you were when the screencap of ferality's note first surfaced on /furi/. There is no excuse for this. There need to be atonement. And while I may disagree with many that Zaush's act does not constitute rape, I am entirely certain that he is capable of it. And while there may not be an excuse for Adam Wan's behavior, there is a reason. He is quite literally a clear cut case of sociopathy:
*Manipulative and Conning. Never recognizing the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
*Grandiose Sense of Self. Feels entitled to certain things as "their right".
*Pathological Lying. Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.
*Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt. A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
*Need for Stimulation. Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
*Callousness & Lack of Empathy. Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
*Poor Behavioural Controls IE Impulsive nature. Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
*Irresponsibility and Unreliability. Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
*Promiscuous Sexual Behaviour and Infidelity. Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
*Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility. Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
Look at Adam Wan's behaviour as described in ferality's notes. Look at his reactions on twitter. His commentary on his FurAffinity journal. The content of Adam Wan's pornography involving him and women in general. The man selects women that are emotionally unable to continue denying and refusing him, whether or not he makes a conscious or unconscious effort in doing so. Justifies his actions as that of an open lifestyle superior to what he determines to be outdated monogamy and that sex and love can be separate from each other. The literal need for sexual gratification, and on his terms, and the entitlement that he feels to receiving it whenever he wants. The ability of this man to grope or fondle someone regardless of (And often in spite of) being turned turned down or rejected. The perpetual headgames and indirect coercion he plays to force consent out of a partner. His obvious inability to control or handle (or even acknowledge) his problems, and automatically projects the blame on someone else. The utter lack of empathy or understanding for the feelings and emotions of his victims, perhaps to the point of not consciously recognizing their emotional or mental state. The complete, total, blinding narcissism. His attempts at downplaying what he did in late december 09 / january this year to ferality and (Possibly) falsifying chatlogs to bolster his defence from the accusations against him. There are so many examples to choose from.
And to think, one of his earliest works was of a stalker depicted as an antagonist, beaten to a pulp by his victim's boyfriend.
The person's marital & relationship status does not matter to him and has, repeatedly, attempted to sabotage or destroy relationships he saw as being in his way. He attempted it on lilBlooWolf and may've been successful on occasions after her ( Ferality?). He has likely done to this to far more women than we currently know about. I have very good hunches as to whom they may be, but I am not going to share their identities.
I believe in calling things by their rightful name, and I call Adam Wan sick. Not as an insult; Not to belittle him; but to clearly label the man as mentally ill and a danger to others. and even if you disagree with the idea that Zaush is a sociopath; that he's a case of Antisocial Personality Disorder: You cannot deny that he isn't an emotional shut in, and that he does not grasp the concept of a simple, easy to understand two letter word like the rest of us do. He has problems and instead of acknowledging or realizing them, takes them out on others. There is in all likelihood a chance that he's only aware of a half or a third of the things he does. Such is the nature of a mental disorder.
The man is not to be trusted nor admired nor defended. He does not need acceptance, but therapy. Psychiatric evaluation and treatment. And if you people that follow and listen to him had any ounce of consideration for him outside of your narrow world view through the furry community, you would not be showering him in blanket praise and consolation. If you cared about him, you would be telling him the truth. If you cared about Adam Wan outside of him as a furry porn production line, you wouldn't be serving as an echo chamber for his delusions. Adam Wan has little to no chance of finally grasping and understanding the severity of his acts and you only serve to further blind him from reality and the world outside of his head.
How many women is it going to take? He's already with another one.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/7oi5g6
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"twitlonger"? It is hilarious that the desire for a livejournal by regular twitter users was answered by just making twitter be livejournal.
As for Wan, I don't know if I like calling sociopathy. His behavior is unacceptable and labeling him with something like sociopathy without an actual physician's diagnosis is ~almost~ like justifying his behavior. Because he has a mental reason, see? He just can't help himself, the ~poor thing~.
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"twitlonger"? It is hilarious that the desire for a livejournal by regular twitter user's was answered by just making twitter be livejournal.
As for Wan, I don't know if I like calling sociopathy. His behavior is unacceptable and labeling him with something like sociopathy without an actual physician's diagnosis is ~almost~ like justifying his behavior. Because he has a mental reason, see? He just can't help himself, the ~poor thing~.
He can have a mental condition and still be a Twat regardless.
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Yes, that is my point. It doesn't matter whether he actually has sociopathy or not he is a dumb who has been caught being a dumb.
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Well, if you consider the people who exhibit characteristics of sociopathy and antisocial personality disorder—pretty much every serial killer ever as well as a lot of Wall Streeters and CEO types (you think I'm kidding, don't you)—the diagnosis becomes somewhat less of an excuse.
Just because it's in the DSM-IV doesn't mean anything about its acceptability.
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As for Wan, I don't know if I like calling sociopathy. His behavior is unacceptable and labeling him with something like sociopathy without an actual physician's diagnosis is ~almost~ like justifying his behavior. Because he has a mental reason, see? He just can't help himself, the ~poor thing~.
Oh, right, because furries pride themselves on being mentally broken and unstable. weölp
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I'm supremely pissed that Zaush/Adam Wan hasn't been banned from FA yet. He's already demonstrated to be a sexual preadator, preying on and manipulating vulnerable people. I just can't really believe that his popularity as a furry wank artist actually shields him to any degree whatsoever from this fact.
Don't they realize that the biggest problem with FA isn't their site security or their codebase, its the misdirected principles that exist there. If they would have dealt with these issues when they came up, they wouldn't have to deal with so much backlash, leaks or no. If they kicked out the cub-porn people when it went to a vote and the majority wanted them gone, they wouldn't have to look for another payment processor. If the admins just banned those zoos and Wan when proof of the allegations came to light, they wouldn't have to put up with the grief and the damage to FA's reputation as a whole. If that was done, the effects of the site hack and the leaks wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
It's not like the results of inaction on their part would have come as a surprise: That's a train anyone could have seen coming a mile away.
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I'm beginning to think it might not be the best idea to ban ANYONE for off-site infractions. Instead, the best thing to do is to monitor potentially dangerous individuals. Freeze their accounts if you are given information about an arrest or possible police investigation, but don't ban merely to make a symbolic punitive gesture.
Yes this is a total 180 from previous rhetoric, but fuck it. SomethingAwful banned for off-site shit, still does it, and is a gigantic clusterfuck for it. And it's plain as day that FA tried to do this half-assedly to make as many people as possible happy and made absolutely nobody happy in the process.
As for letting Wan run amok though, I don't know. There could be a decent reason for it if you think about it, but I'm not sure if the FA administration is smart enough to think of it.
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Maybe I went off half-cocked on the Zaush/Adam Wan thing. It's possible that maybe some accusations were blown out of proportion. With that, I should have just kept my mouth shut on the matter. I'll just chalk it up to the constant frustration of being associated with the relentless, mind-numbing parade of stupidity and grossness within our beloved fandom. Sometimes I just need to vent.
You're probably right over not banning people straight-off. I could see it happening that an admin would end up banning someone just because they pissed off a group or some popular folk.
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I wouldn't say the accusations regarding Z-dogg have been blown out of proportion. His personality and actions cartoonishly match that of the average low-level sexual predator; he's like something that fell out of a shitty cop show.
Unless his victim(s) can bring a case forward, the only real way to stop him is to keep a very close eye on him.
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The sad part is that what he is accused of is pretty much on the level of what Assange is accused of in Sweden. The Swedes have very strong rape laws where you can't even emotionally force someone of the opposite (or same!) sex to have sex with you; it's a form of rape but not as serious as the extremely violent kind (rape then murder) or the type where the attacker uses physical coercion but doesn't involve significant amounts of violence. Regardless, it's still rape because you used a non-physical form of intimidation to force or attempt to force someone to have sex with you.
The ass-kissing in that thread is fucking unbelievable, someday I hope he fucks up and gets caught~ :I
What's funny about Assange is that lately he's been pulling an Adam Wan (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340429/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-Im-promiscuous-I-just-really-like-women.html#ixzz19fxmmxRs) of his very own (http://jezebel.com/5718817/assange-sweden-is-the-saudi-arabia-of-feminism):
‘One of the women has written many articles on taking revenge against men for infidelity and is a notorious radical feminist,’ he said.
Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism
I fell into a hornets' nest of revolutionary feminism.
So: possibility A is that he really did what he was accused of and is an asshole, or possibility B is that he is a victim of one of the oldest dirty tricks in the book (and is still an asshole). Either way, he's an asshole. See how that works?
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I wouldn't say the accusations regarding Z-dogg have been blown out of proportion. His personality and actions cartoonishly match that of the average low-level sexual predator; he's like something that fell out of a shitty cop show.
Unless his victim(s) can bring a case forward, the only real way to stop him is to keep a very close eye on him.
lol and order: SVU
FA edition.
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What's funny about Assange is that lately he's been pulling an Adam Wan (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340429/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-Im-promiscuous-I-just-really-like-women.html#ixzz19fxmmxRs) of his very own (http://jezebel.com/5718817/assange-sweden-is-the-saudi-arabia-of-feminism):
He's a dork with social problems and a huge case of unwarranted self-importance. If he hadn't actually done anything with his life, he'd be the perfect furry.
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Recent YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/zaushy) activity.
He's a dork with social problems and a huge case of unwarranted self-importance. If he hadn't actually done anything with his life, he'd be the perfect furry.
He (http://www.webstock.org.nz/blog/2010/the-blast-shack/) may even have something of a reason (http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-724-wiki-of-the-damned/) for being a massive fucking creep.
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"twitlonger"? It is hilarious that the desire for a livejournal by regular twitter users was answered by just making twitter be livejournal.
As for Wan, I don't know if I like calling sociopathy. His behavior is unacceptable and labeling him with something like sociopathy without an actual physician's diagnosis is ~almost~ like justifying his behavior. Because he has a mental reason, see? He just can't help himself, the ~poor thing~.
It is a reason. Not an excuse. Not a justification.
There was this god awful fucking news story I read on FAF awhile back. A meth headed father literally chewed the eyes out of his little boy. The neighbors later found him with an axe, chopping his own leg off while screaming to Jesus.
Was the meth an excuse for literally trying to eat his own flesh & blood's face off? No. It never could be. Never in a thousand years.
Would this man had done it regardless of whether he was under the influence of a crazed meth-induced stupor?
Regardless of how incredibly stupid, obsessed and batshit psychotic I have become over this Zaush bullshit and how fucking wrong I was, it was a reason. A possibility of a reason.
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That is why I said almost. Of course it isn't a justification or an excuse, but due to how mental issues are seen by a large amount of people, it will undoubtedly make it a little more "okay" to them, as dumb as that sounds. I just want to avoid giving people any possible reason to look at it in an "okay" light.
Also, what were you wrong about? Do tell
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There was this god awful fucking news story I read on FAF awhile back.
What the fuck is wrong with someone that they'd post that...on FAF. I mean, that's atrocity tourism. Jesus christ.
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There was this god awful fucking news story I read on FAF awhile back.
What the fuck is wrong with someone that they'd post that...on FAF. I mean, that's atrocity tourism. Jesus christ.
I saw it differently, back then. So much of the godless tripe on FAF read to me like "Hey, let's look at how sorry and godless these miserable pieces of shit are. Let's talk about how much better we are. Let's juxtapose on the moral high ground while describing how horrific and painful and gruesome the rest of their lives should be, and however long or short they should be, and with utter sadomasochistic glee. Then let's argue about who's being soft on them."
But of course, I was wrong.
Also, what were you wrong about? Do tell
Everything.
I am a fucking idiot. All those hours and days spent losing my head over and obsessing on all of them for their antics and the shit they caused and got themselves into. Foxer421. Zaush. Kibble. Dackstrus. Itomic. Fenrabbit. Blazger. Paiseley. Clayton. And so many more that I can't remember now. I have stalked and harrassed all of them. Hours and hours spent cross referencing information; Consulting law enforcement and lawyer acquaintances; Contacting them directly and everyone involved in whatever shit they got in; Collecting real life information and docs; Giving and constantly revising psychological assessments; Figuring out what was bullshit and what wasn't. All of it.
I have forgotten so much fucking more than FD_2, /furi/, or the now defunct WYS will ever learn. But it was all worth nothing. Fucking. Nothing.
I was wrong about every last damned thing, and even if by coincidence, I was right: I was still in the wrong. Stalking. Harrassing. That's all I ever did to Zaush. To his friends. To Ferality, and her friends. And all the victims she named of his. And Keovi. And Cinnemon. Everyone Zaush or Ferality even barely knew, or was named. It's exactly the same thing I did to Dackstrus. To everyone he knew. The same thing I did to foxer421. And Blazger, and Angelo. All of them. It's what I've done to all of them and so many fucking more. Stalking. Harrassing. That's all I ever did. And from it, I learned and accomplished nothing. All that shit I deluded myself into thinking was research and investigation and analysis was nothing more than stalking and harrassing and I achieved nothing.
I was wrong about them, I was wrong to go the lengthes I did, wrong for letting stupid, petty, miserable furry bullshit get to me and I was wrong about Clayton. So fucking wrong.
I was wrong about everything, and I am a stupid fucking idiot. And regardless of anything, I do not want to care about this shit anymore.
Why didn't I make a fool of myself on /furi/ sooner? Why didn't I get it over with sooner?
God damn me.
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This is going to sound mean but
I'm sorry I asked.
You have way too much baggage to post about that nobody on here is really going to care about, you should probably save it to unload on your caring friends.
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This is going to sound mean but
I'm sorry I asked.
You have way too much baggage to post about that nobody on here is really going to care about, you should probably save it to unload on your caring friends.
This. We're not your LiveJournal hugbox. :I
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Apparently Zaush says that his employment history is not documented here or on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as though this lack of documentation qualifies him to work on FA's backend.
Yo, z-dogg, nobody gives a shit about whether or not you're still at Google. It has no bearing on how much of a sketchy molester you appear to be.
Also, I know this advice will go in one ear and out the other, but I would feel bad about not at least saying this: Client-side JavaScript does not prepare you for the harsh brutality of server-side code. I mention this because the only people who pick up node.js are the people who are mostly comfortable in client side JS...
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Which is pretty funny because we know where he works (Thales Aviation), we just don't have too many specifics. I am confident that we could get them if we really wanted.
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I mean if he willingly drove his browser here, er, I mean, signed up here and posted, then clearly we would be in the right to dox him because he was totally asking for it. Right?
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I mean if he willingly drove his browser here, er, I mean, signed up here and posted, then clearly we would be in the right to dox him because he was totally asking for it. Right?
I'm sorry, I just have to say, post of the year right here.
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On a members-only and closed livejournal community, Furrydrama_2, Dragoneer stated in a now deleted thread that his own GF was able to identify Zaush merely from the description of his behaviour and that he had tried to make her have sex with him too (presumably before she entered into a relationship with 'Neer):
I tried to clarify that, but I doubt it will matter at this point. When I told Sciggles of this, I left out names... and she mentioned that Zaush tried to do something like this to even her. But she mentioned when she said no, despite him keeping asking and insisting, he backed off.
So I can't verify it on every instance, but I didn't agree with Zaush and the accusations concerned me. I just didn't want her getting burned.
And Sciggles denies it all:
(https://pcbx.us/randomguy/azwi.png)
https://twitter.com/Scigglicious/status/425632122271850496
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I mean if he willingly drove his browser here, er, I mean, signed up here and posted, then clearly we would be in the right to dox him because he was totally asking for it. Right?
I'm sorry, I just have to say, post of the year right here.
This reminds me of that scene at the end of Sherlock Series 2. The one with Moriarty. And we all know what he did afterward.
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Sciggles is claiming Dragoneer "misunderstood" something, but doesn't have any idea what he misunderstood, which reeks of bullshit since she could have easily corrected him four years ago.
They have NO IDEA how to respond to all of this and it's just beautiful.
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Zaush is involved in a kickstarter now:
https://forums.vivisector.org/index.php?topic=621.msg8192#msg8192