Vivisector
Daggers and Spears and Songs => FA Obsession Collection => Topic started by: Vikar on November 21, 2010, 05:06:16 pm
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I saw this (http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4926/96316299.png) floating around the internet earlier today. The shape of things to come, a fake, or misdirection?
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She has all the subtlety of a Mack truck. I'll bet she doesn't even think she's leaking anything either.
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Potential major changes to FA's AUP are first publicly disclosed in a random livejournal comment provided you look at the bold letters. I'm glad the FA staff is so transparent.
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Well, the fact that it's a random LJ comment aside, it is pretty fuckin' transparent. The thing that gets me is that she acts like she's being subtle, but Christ, you'd have to have the IQ of a potato not to pick up on the "hint".
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Potential major changes to FA's AUP are first publicly disclosed in a random livejournal comment provided you look at the bold letters. I'm glad the FA staff is so transparent.
Earlier on LJ, like a few weeks ago Dragoneer said the cub thing was being looked into as well. Though he didn't quite announce which way it would go and how far.
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And already we have Dragoneer trying to silence the masses (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1882755/). I think "petitions" for stuff like this are pretty pointless, but deleting them and saying "DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT!!!" isn't the right way to be dealing with this.
He needs to stop sitting on his ass trying to cover this up and just spill the details already. And if he's upset that he has to do that, then he should take it out by firing Witchiebunny, who obviously can't keep her mouth shut.
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And already we have Dragoneer trying to silence the masses (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1882755/). I think "petitions" for stuff like this are pretty pointless, but deleting them and saying "DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT!!!" isn't the right way to be dealing with this.
He needs to stop sitting on his ass trying to cover this up and just spill the details already. And if he's upset that he has to do that, then he should take it out by firing Witchiebunny, who obviously can't keep her mouth shut.
We'd have seen his capacity to do that the minute Pinkuh loses her admin rights.
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They won't make the symbolic gesture of banning the (now abandoned) Crassus (http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,332.0.html) account (just like they won't make the symbolic gesture of banning certain other abandoned accounts (http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,170.msg1768.html#msg1768)), and they want to finally ban cub porn or whatever?
I don't buy it. There's certainly a lot of pressure coming from the utter-garbage crowd, but they're afraid to actually do it. The backlash would be more damaging than they're comfortable with, and actually enforcing the policy at this point would be something of a logistical nightmare.
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actually enforcing the policy at this point would be something of a logistical nightmare.
More likely, what would happen is that random users would be randomly banned for random reasons. Basically, no significant logistical change would be necessary! The AUP is already a meaningless collection of words; changing what those words are won't change that fact.
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And already we have Dragoneer trying to silence the masses (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1882755/). I think "petitions" for stuff like this are pretty pointless, but deleting them and saying "DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT!!!" isn't the right way to be dealing with this.
He needs to stop sitting on his ass trying to cover this up and just spill the details already. And if he's upset that he has to do that, then he should take it out by firing Witchiebunny, who obviously can't keep her mouth shut.
We'd have seen his capacity to do that the minute Pinkuh loses her admin rights.
Well, as of right now Witchie's been "suspended". So she'll have to go sit in the corner and think about what she's done before Dragoneer apologizes for "overreacting" later this week.
She should just resign if she's so against the ban. But no, that would mean she'd give up that precious Admin e-badge and would once again have no relevance in the fandom.
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Any form of real content control would be impossible, and it's hilarious to see them try.
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On #fa IRC a bit ago.
[03:41:29] <[REDACTED]> hi Dragoneer. do you have a moment to discuss the rumored AUP changes? :)
[03:41:42] <Dragoneer[AFK]> [REDACTED]: Certainly don't!
[03:41:49] <Dragoneer[AFK]> I'm not discussing any changes until they're public. =3
This would seem to confirm that there are changes to come.
Edit:
From an anonymous informant engaged in a PM:
11:02 <Dragoneer[AFK]> We're doing an AUP update regardless.
11:05 <Dragoneer[AFK]> Tuesday/Wednesday
Also this:
10:49 <Dragoneer[AFK]> I'll put it to you this way: what affected FA directly affects a few other sites, too
The past tense there could indicate legal issues of some kind, perhaps surrounding the new EU laws against simulated child porn.
Edit 2:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1772/morefadrama.png
More support for the Europe theory in the first paragraph.
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Here's the live journal entry where Witchiebunny originally made the comments:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/395754.html?thread=13170666#t13170666
Well, as of right now Witchie's been "suspended".
She loses her @ for a few days.
http://i52.tinypic.com/2zee9lz.jpg
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1882953/
It's all grandstanding: "I'd feel bad if I didn't get punished!", "I asked for this suspension" (in the comments) IMO. If you can't wiggle out of responsibility then you can at least flagellate yourself.
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While there are complaints about Witchiebunny, she was one of the few admins that ever did anything even close to her actual JOB as an admin. So now, once agian, FA had a slew of admins and all of which do fuck all on a regular basis.
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While there are complaints about Witchiebunny, she was one of the few admins that ever did anything even close to her actual JOB as an admin.
The problem is what doing the "actual job as an admin" involves...
Sins of commission vs. sins of omission I guess.
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Awesome. Now all the people who like jerking it to prepubescent penises can get all up in arms and get the administration to reverse the policy out of fear of revolt again.
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Awesome. Now all the people who like jerking it to prepubescent penises can get all up in arms and get the administration to reverse the policy out of fear of revolt again.
That's pretty much what I've been predicting. OTOH, wasn't that new-ish art site founded/run by a known pedo? I'd find it highly amusing if they attempt to lure away all the banned manchildren with promises of candy in their van...er, cub porn on their site.
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I wonder how much of the impetus for these changes comes from Dragoneer somehow getting the idea, either from a good authority (his ISP) or not (Internet e-lawyers), that if he didn't do something his "retirement security" might be at risk. Because lord knows if that man doesn't have to do something, he won't.
Anyway, this is another one of those situations, as is pretty much any situation involving Dragoneer, where you root for both sides to die in a horrible fiery car crash and raise the average IQ of the world a couple of points.
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Awesome. Now all the people who like jerking it to prepubescent penises can get all up in arms and get the administration to reverse the policy out of fear of revolt again.
One of them briefly tried it earlier, submitting this petition on FA : http://i55.tinypic.com/2d781lw.png which demands people leave comments on it in such quantities so as to make the FA servers crash.
However it, and reposts of it were swiftly removed and journals deleted etc etc.
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I wonder how much of the impetus for these changes comes from Dragoneer somehow getting the idea, either from a good authority (his ISP)
I'm thinking all the Allan drama recently has put him on thin ice with their ISP. A couple "Child porn on the servers" complaints would probably get them kicked out. Kinda like the whole e621 thing from a while back. OH KARMA.
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which demands people leave comments on it in such quantities so as to make the FA servers crash.
IN ORDER TO SAVE THE PORN, WE HAD TO DESTROY THE PORN
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IN ORDER TO SAVE THE PORN, WE HAD TO DESTROY THE PORN
He who controls the porn, controls the universe!
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I just read that journal screencap Vikar posted in his second edit to his post.
Now, I produce cub stories and they're my main source of income
Holy shit.
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FA's Acceptable Upload Policy (http://wiki.furaffinity.net/index.php?title=AUP) has been changed - as of today,
FA does not permit images of minors involved in sexual situations. This applies to humans (Loli, Shota) or otherwise human-like characters (i.e. Cub) who are, without question, under the general legal age (18). Images where the character is of questionable or indeterminable age will be up to the discretion of the administration.
The reasoning (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub):
AlertPay dropped us. We have been having issues accepting payment processors for some time to fund the website, as any reputable company we've contacted has given us the thumbs down when it comes to our content. Specifically, they have only ever had issue with one particular kind of content: cub art. Everything else has been fine, but companies want to distance themselves from that grey area because it makes people uncomfortable.
AlertPay canceled, and specifically cited cub art as the reason. We were given no options to appeal. With that cancellation, a fairly sizable amount of money in our balance from ads and donations have been lost, which has effectively crippled the website from having ways to fund itself long term. We will not be able to maintain and improve without a reliable payment processor at our backend, and that can not happen while they continually have a disagreement regarding certain specifics with what we host.
Right now we have to make a choice. Do we continue on with cub artwork and protect the artwork in the name of freedom of speech? Or do we remove the one Achilles heel that has proven itself to be a liability and a frustration?
If we want to keep Fur Affinity alive we have no choice but to remove cub art.
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Ah, so without any way for Dragoneer to get his welfare payments from the fandom, something had to be done.
But I'm glad they have air-tight language in that AUP change. Because surely no one is going to reason that their 10 year old naked anatomically-correct cub is really 24 but just looks 10. Most real sites will refer to the character's apparent age, or make reference to something like "prepubescent [or underdeveloped] appearance". Yet this genius is speaking as if these drawings have an actual, real human age, and as if some number is the crux of the issue at hand.
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They've got to clean the zillions of 'cub' art they've got there already. How are they gonna do that?
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How are they gonna do that?
More likely, what would happen is that random users would be randomly banned for random reasons. Basically, no significant logistical change would be necessary! The AUP is already a meaningless collection of words; changing what those words are won't change that fact.
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So much for those donor badges.
EDIT: They must have lost a lot of money. Does Dragoneer understand how a bank works?
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EDIT: They must have lost a lot of money. Does Dragoneer understand how a bank works?
That's actually the real story here if you ask me. The banning of cub art is just a symptom of this.
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But I'm glad they have air-tight language in that AUP change. Because surely no one is going to reason that their 10 year old naked anatomically-correct cub is really 24 but just looks 10. Most real sites will refer to the character's apparent age, or make reference to something like "prepubescent [or underdeveloped] appearance". Yet this genius is speaking as if these drawings have an actual, real human age, and as if some number is the crux of the issue at hand.
It's strange cause a lot of people have suggested this loophole and the admins have flat out, shot it down. This leaves you to wonder why they never specified that in the AUP in the first place.
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They clearly don't understand the framework under which such things usually operate. If it's that explicit, WRITE IT DOWN.
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I can't believe it. He pulled the trigger.
Pretty brilliant, really. FA's administration gets to ban cub porn and take the blame entirely out of their hands. They get to have their cake and eat it too; dropping all the responsibility at AlertPay's feet was a wonderful way to avoid backlash.
People are rejoicing in the streets. They actually think furry just got a little bit safer and a little bit less creepy. Such a shame that they're mistaken.
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Some choice gems from the thread:
(about the amount of money lost)
We can only confirm it's in the four numbers.
Before you can accept AlertPay for money reasons they have to do a manual review of your site and approve/disapprove the content. So we let them do that, and they greenlit FA. Then somebody reported us, a ticket was opened and the account put on hold... six days later the account was shut down.
AlertPay, and several other groups, basically told us that whether they felt it was legal or not... the amount of money we'd generate for them in a year wouldn't amount to the legal fees that they'd incur a day if it ever went to court, and because of that, we weren't worth the risk of protecting.
You can still have your dog genitals.
Why are you whining?
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Ahahaha oh wow. That didn't take long. I'm already seeing hits in our referrer logs from desperate pedofurs searching for "cub porn furaffinity alternatives"
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Then somebody reported us
Well, champ, if you're violating the rules...
AlertPay, and several other groups, basically told us that whether they felt it was legal or not
Red meat for the pedo masses, or butthurt? You decide.
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Yeah... basically, pedos are incredibly lucky that their shit wasn't banned for so long:
- At first, it WAS banned, but not enforced.
- Then there was the whole pedofur art vote debacle.
- Dragoneer was considering banning it, relative to various european/canadian/australian law developments that would have made drawn pedo art illegal:
We were actually considering banning cub porn, and had a policy drafted earlier this year (around May, I think?). We were watching policies being proposed in the EU, Australia and other countries, and were in a "holding pattern". If the policies passed, blocking it in the EU or other places, we'd have enacted to protect the 20% of our users who came from those areas.
Be we opted to hold back in the name of free speech.
That didn't work out in the end.
Basically it WAS going to happen, just a question of when. Now the question is more like, are they going to half ass the whole thing and leave up all the "supposedly toon/chibi styled art but actually looks like a 5 year old" stuff, or even leave it in the AUP but not spend any effort to actually delete any of it? Or, most probably, do the huge cleanup, get approved by the pay processor, then get lazier...
Incidentally, I think the whole thing might deserve a front page article... no?
Bonus quote:
(in reply to some pedo stating that he's sad and he's moving to Inkbunny)
Think you should know: AlertPay cut off InkBunny this morning for the same reason and they'll probably have to ban Cubshit too. =D HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING!
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I love how he can barely contain his venom towards rival porn sites.
And lol @ the idea that Dragoneer follows international politics, or anything at all that isn't featured on some dumbshit video gaming blog.
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Think you should know: AlertPay cut off InkBunny this morning for the same reason and they'll probably have to ban Cubshit too. =D HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING!
Link? That's a huuuuuuge thread and I can't dig it up myself.
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Does anybody remember last year when FA had to find a new colocation facility? Remember when Dragoneer announced he had found a Canadian company that was willing to host them, but then went with their current one because it was
better in the same town as him?
Anyone think it would have been funnier if they decided to send the servers to Canada? This whole thing probably would have ended with FA's servers being seized by the Government.
Think you should know: AlertPay cut off InkBunny this morning for the same reason and they'll probably have to ban Cubshit too. =D HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING!
Link? That's a huuuuuuge thread and I can't dig it up myself.
Trying to buy something gives you this message (halfway through the process too, after you enter your address)
Sales System Offline
The sales system is temporarily unavailable. It is not possble to pay for your chosen items at this time. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
Please try again later. You can still continue adding items to your basket and they will be saved for when you return.
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Think you should know: AlertPay cut off InkBunny this morning for the same reason and they'll probably have to ban Cubshit too. =D HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING!
Link? That's a huuuuuuge thread and I can't dig it up myself.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2265172&viewfull=1#post2265172 (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2265172&viewfull=1#post2265172)
Bonus: Apparently the only important content on FA is cub porn.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2265827&viewfull=1#post2265827 (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2265827&viewfull=1#post2265827)
Also, seems that Sofurry was also using Alertpay and also got hit.
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Ah thanks. FAF's search function is pretty terrible and I couldn't search for exact phrases or have it search while requireing a post must have every word I search for, instead a post had to have ANY word I searched for.
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Well we all know PayPal won't deal with anything remotely pornographic, which is (I assume) part of the customer base of AlertPay. So now they seem to be getting a little bit, er, prude, where are the animal people going to turn when it comes to hastily spent pornodollars sent to sketchy characters they only know by a pseudonym on the Internet?
It'd be awesome to see furries' ability to send money to each other go away, but that's just a pipe dream.
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where are the animal people going to turn when it comes to hastily spent pornodollars sent to sketchy characters they only know by a pseudonym on the Internet?
This is a question I hope will be answered soon.
I think it's hilarious how people are going to the "... and I didn't speak up... Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up" line. Yeah, this is fucking Nazi Germany, you idiots.
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To be more accurate, it sounded like this AUP change was in the works anyways with regards to how the situations in various countries were changing. It just happened that AlertPay, or whatever it's called, moved first.
Seems like it was inevitable.The AUP change was being worked on, but removing cub art was NOT part our original goal. It was merely to revise and restructure our policies into a slightly more readable format. Not... this.
I guess the cub porn ban wasn't going to happen regardless, it was just going to be a general adjustment. That's too bad. I almost thought they were learning.
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Does anybody remember last year when FA had to find a new colocation facility? Remember when Dragoneer announced he had found a Canadian company that was willing to host them, but then went with their current one because it was better in the same town as him?
Anyone think it would have been funnier if they decided to send the servers to Canada? This whole thing probably would have ended with FA's servers being seized by the Government.
I could have sworn this was half the reason VCL was originally hosted in Sweden, because the nation that's the home of The Pirate Bay isn't exactly one where companies buckle under hypothetical lawsuits over material.
Also, I've done it on a lot of 'celebration' journals on FA already, but honestly while the Nazi comparisons are just regular internet retardation, and while I'm not a fan of cub porn in the least...
Honestly, how many times did Frank Gembeck draw cub shit, and what's he in prison for now?
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Thanks to the ban we get some choice pedofur quotes:
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2267047&viewfull=1#post2267047 (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2267047&viewfull=1#post2267047)
When you've got people like Betawolf who commission newborn porn of babies being raped... how do you step in and differentiate that between cub art? Or a five year old, or any combination of juvenile characters getting fucked by adults, screaming "DADDY!" out loud in comic format?
I'm sorry, but there's some limits that you need to put your foot down upon when you cross a certain threshold, and when that threshold damages the rest of the site... it's gone too far.
See, The issue is I see that as art and you don't. He's not jerking off thinking about having sex with the next baby in a stroller. He's smiling because he's getting you flustered. So called five year olds are not real and no real child is being hurt. What YOU worry is that it promotes it. That people will think it's okay to do in real life. Even when we take it as far from it by putting in Cubs, you have an issue. You can't believe that everyone who looks at cub art doesn't look at real children drooling.
Yes, it hurting the site is bad. I agree with this in whole. This is the only part I accept as valid. But DA banned gay art because of this. Y gallery banned furry art because of this. Does that make them right? Because it helped make their site more attractive? Because they thought it was morally wrong?
I stand by the fact you could argue people's right to draw what they want, but if it went to court, there would definitely be limitations. I would never get up and defend cub art. Not once, not ever. Anything else? I would. I would defend anything else in court, and not blind an eye. But I will not stand up and defend cub art.
You don't have to defend it in court. People already did in the USA. Now... I hate my country in many ways, but Bless them for beating out the UK and Aussieland by not banning art. I understand you don't want to stand up for Cub art, but PLEASE say it like that instead of hiding behind AlertPay. I understand you don't understand cub art and that's actually cool. Please say that first so we don't all feel like... like the cake is a lie!
I hope you will spend more time thinking about it... researching it. Trying to understand how banning any art is a bad idea. I will not think less of you for banning cub, but I hope you will do me the favor of stepping back for a moment to see what you're doing. What do you hope to really accomplish with this ban? How will it make the community better, the world better? Do you feel like you're support children getting raped by allowing? Do you think removing it will stop this from happening in real life? Do you understand therapy through art? Should we ban everything that is evil in real life from art? Should we start banning songs that talk about shooting cops? What about adults raping adults? Where does this line really end? What makes you think you know what is right and what is wrong?
I would just feel.... so much better knowing you though of it more then "I hate CP! let's ban cubs!"
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Remember how I said they were going to randomly ban random people for random reasons over this (http://defenestrate-me.livejournal.com/76815.html)?
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I dislike the 'nihilist deconstruction of morality' arguments. It makes their weird crap justifiable in their own minds, even if they're still wrong in reality.
That last guy quoted, I still think he sounded like some obsessive pornmonger praying to Dragoneer to save his ruined life porn.
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Golden post!
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2267214&viewfull=1#post2267214 (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2267214&viewfull=1#post2267214)
Sod quoting anyone. I think anyone and everyone whose looked at this thread, and everyone whose read the initial post will either think the same (screw those alertpay bastards) or are to simple minded to conceptualise the bigger picture.
Alertpay are scummy cowards who will rather crush the largest (and some would argue only) bastion of community for the most ostracised legal fetish minority (yes, pedophiles and rapists are more ostracised, but that's illegal so doesn't count) rather than face the mildly embarrassing court case where they would have to stand up and say "yes we fund furaffinity, it brings in profit for us" (the court case that will NEVER win. even if a small minded jurisdiction is willing to set a world record precedent by convicting alertpay for a different nationality company containing morally dubious material. it would be quashed on appeal, at the very worst it would be quashed at the UN because, a minor is a 'person' under 18, and as we all know a drawing of an anthropomorphic squirrel will NEVER have the rights of a 'person')
I do wonder however, if it's at all possible for FA to get funding from elsewhere? It might be a touch embarrassing but perhaps the admins should contact others, I imagine WoW and other games, and various other sites will have no problem advertising to a site with tens of thousands of users. And I for one, have no problem having to see a multitude of adverts when I log on. It's been a blessing not to. but we would all rather see ads than not see what we want
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Golden post!
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2267214&viewfull=1#post2267214 (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87380-The-New-Policy-on-Cub?p=2267214&viewfull=1#post2267214)
Sod quoting anyone. I think anyone and everyone whose looked at this thread, and everyone whose read the initial post will either think the same (screw those alertpay bastards) or are to simple minded to conceptualise the bigger picture.
Alertpay are scummy cowards who will rather crush the largest (and some would argue only) bastion of community for the most ostracised legal fetish minority (yes, pedophiles and rapists are more ostracised, but that's illegal so doesn't count) rather than face the mildly embarrassing court case where they would have to stand up and say "yes we fund furaffinity, it brings in profit for us" (the court case that will NEVER win. even if a small minded jurisdiction is willing to set a world record precedent by convicting alertpay for a different nationality company containing morally dubious material. it would be quashed on appeal, at the very worst it would be quashed at the UN because, a minor is a 'person' under 18, and as we all know a drawing of an anthropomorphic squirrel will NEVER have the rights of a 'person')
I do wonder however, if it's at all possible for FA to get funding from elsewhere? It might be a touch embarrassing but perhaps the admins should contact others, I imagine WoW and other games, and various other sites will have no problem advertising to a site with tens of thousands of users. And I for one, have no problem having to see a multitude of adverts when I log on. It's been a blessing not to. but we would all rather see ads than not see what we want
THAT DAMN DIRTY ALERTPAY! FURSECUTING TROLLS ALL ALONG!
In other news, anyone else notice Inkbunny is down? I get "connection reset" here and "unable to connect" using my friend's VPS. Nevermind turns out their worse than FA when it comes to trying to update the site code.
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OS upgrade (http://twitter.com/#!/inkbunny_news). Back now.
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I have no confirmation or source or anything, but a random Tweet (protected, sorry) says that Insane Kangaroo reported Inkbunny and SoFurry to AlertPay. Maybe that came from fd_2, I don't know.
But one wonders, if that's true, what the timeline is with respect to FA. Since we all know Insane Kangaroo and the WYS crowd is essentially the secret police of the FA administration, I really really doubt they reported FA to AlertPay. So it raises the possibility FA was an unintentional casualty of IK's actions.
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They can say what they want about "hiding behind AlertPay". They're hiding behind the vagueness in our legality that defines cub porn as art and protects it under the guise of freedom of expression. They don't even bother to consider that businesses have rights too, and one of those rights is to refuse service to anyone for any reason. If AlertPay has moral objections, do these people have the right to tell them to disregard their own sense of right and wrong just because Krystal can't enjoy her cub porn?
Why aren't these same people bringing up FA's recent revision that disallows photographs of non-anthro-related possessions? Photography's an expression of art, am I right? They want everybody to speak up when they come for the cub porn lovers, but when they come for the people with photographs of stuff they own in their gallery, they won't speak up because they're not interested in anything without prepubescent private parts depicted somewhere within.
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I have no confirmation or source or anything, but a random Tweet (protected, sorry) says that Insane Kangaroo reported Inkbunny and SoFurry to AlertPay. Maybe that came from fd_2, I don't know.
But one wonders, if that's true, what the timeline is with respect to FA. Since we all know Insane Kangaroo and the WYS crowd is essentially the secret police of the FA administration, I really really doubt they reported FA to AlertPay. So it raises the possibility FA was an unintentional casualty of IK's actions.
Insane Kangaroo boasted on FD_2 that he had reported inkbunny/so furry to alertpay because he believed that someone from Inkbunny had reported FA to alertpay. He was banned from FD_2 as a result of that, and he declared in a mssg. to one of the maintainers of the group that he intended to see inkbunny go down in flames unless it stopped harbouring paedophiles. Of course FA knows about and has not banned Crassus aka Rookie, and insane Kangaroo has never done much about that AFAIK.
Apparently though, once they'd heard about FA being dropped by alertpay, inkbunny already dropped alertpay, so Insane Kangaroo's efforts are only the sound and fury of a hypocritical idiot.
In addition, FA's new AUP update, as well as banning cub porn, imposed certain restrictions on photographs and this has also resulted in people getting randomly banned for random reasons:
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87541-Abuse-of-power
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In addition, FA's new AUP update, as well as banning cub porn, imposed certain restrictions on photographs and this has also resulted in people getting randomly banned for random reasons:
Yeah, well, I always had it in my head that FA submissions had to have some kind of anthro or furry-related content in them, so I don't know why this was never in there in the first place.
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In addition, FA's new AUP update, as well as banning cub porn, imposed certain restrictions on photographs
What are you talking about? They banned 'Using FA as your personal Photobucket' in the LAST AUP Update. Car shows, photos of all the shit you own, a gallery of photos of your dog, all of these have been banned before this week.
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They can say what they want about "hiding behind AlertPay". They're hiding behind the vagueness in our legality that defines cub porn as art and protects it under the guise of freedom of expression. They don't even bother to consider that businesses have rights too, and one of those rights is to refuse service to anyone for any reason. If AlertPay has moral objections, do these people have the right to tell them to disregard their own sense of right and wrong just because Krystal can't enjoy her cub porn?
This also leads into that favorite logical fallacy of furries - the complete abuse and misinterpretation of the first amendment. Freedom of speech is indeed a wonderful thing, but it doesn't mean you can go stomping into private property and spouting whatever you feel like. Furries just can't wrap their heads around the idea that a web site on the Internet is considered private property for purposes of legality. Yes, there are thankfully certain protections for the owners of sites and servers pertaining to content added/posted by individual users, but those protections do not apply in the other direction. Nobody has a right to post anything the admins don't like here, or on FA, or anywhere else.
Tune in tomorrow when we discuss how having your 'furmeet' kicked out of the local mall does not, in fact, impinge on your right to freedom of assembly.
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Inkbunny's going to make people process their own sales, meaning they no longer have a constant source of income. Now that they're back to relying on donations, it will be interesting to see which one furries support more. It would warm my cockles to see Princess Piche throwing a fit because Inkbunny is bringing in more donations than FA (and you know he'd blame something like the pedo porn and not himself and his staff.)
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In addition, FA's new AUP update, as well as banning cub porn, imposed certain restrictions on photographs
What are you talking about? They banned 'Using FA as your personal Photobucket' in the LAST AUP Update. Car shows, photos of all the shit you own, a gallery of photos of your dog, all of these have been banned before this week.
Well, the rules regarding photography were at least updated with this most recent AUP change, but anyhow the main thing I wanted to point out was the whole "interpretations and enforcement of the rules varying depending on which admin is doing it" thing in action. Not to mention, the admin in question did in fact have photos of a dog in his own gallery, and food.
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& the random bans I usppose, but anyway, it's not about cub porn so that's enough about this.
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Why aren't these same people bringing up FA's recent revision that disallows photographs of non-anthro-related possessions? Photography's an expression of art, am I right? They want everybody to speak up when they come for the cub porn lovers, but when they come for the people with photographs of stuff they own in their gallery, they won't speak up because they're not interested in anything without prepubescent private parts depicted somewhere within.
I think everyone kind of knows the only reason for that is to keep FA from becoming a myspace. Even the stern language about not posting collections hasn't stopped people from putting up "here's all my video games", or throwing in a plush and calling it furry. Really now though, what's left in terms of photography if only things anthro related are allowed? No wildlife photos? Nothing artistic for it's own sake?
Nope, just a lot of drunk fursuiters. Oh, but they can't fuck.
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Why aren't these same people bringing up FA's recent revision that disallows photographs of non-anthro-related possessions? Photography's an expression of art, am I right? They want everybody to speak up when they come for the cub porn lovers, but when they come for the people with photographs of stuff they own in their gallery, they won't speak up because they're not interested in anything without prepubescent private parts depicted somewhere within.
I think everyone kind of knows the only reason for that is to keep FA from becoming a myspace. Even the stern language about not posting collections hasn't stopped people from putting up "here's all my video games", or throwing in a plush and calling it furry. Really now though, what's left in terms of photography if only things anthro related are allowed? No wildlife photos? Nothing artistic for it's own sake?
Nope, just a lot of drunk fursuiters. Oh, but they can't fuck.
I report shitty photo uploads on a regular basis. I usually contact the users and remind them of the AUP. Most of the time they tell me to fuck off, or mumble-scream with caps on about how a shitty blurry low-rez photo taken of their xbox is "art" Most of the time, if the user uploads one shitty picture, there is a ton more in their account.
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Witchiebunny's an admin again. Her suspension lasted less than a week. Already back on Dragoneer's good side for helping with the trouble tickets (http://twitter.com/#!/Dragoneer/status/8607642746363904) that he was whining about earlier (http://twitter.com/#!/Dragoneer/status/8561260513726464). Coupled with his response when asked what people need to do to get kicked off of FA staff (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87541-Abuse-of-power?p=2269594&viewfull=1#post2269594), it appears you can get away with anything as long as you take away work that Dragoneer would have to do.
Stay classy, FA.
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I report shitty photo uploads on a regular basis. I usually contact the users and remind them of the AUP. Most of the time they tell me to fuck off, or mumble-scream with caps on about how a shitty blurry low-rez photo taken of their xbox is "art" Most of the time, if the user uploads one shitty picture, there is a ton more in their account.
To be fair, I would tell you to fuck off if you're playing pretend moderator too. The fact the response to shitposting photos is to ban virtually all photos is just a fucktarded move though.
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To be fair, I would tell you to fuck off if you're playing pretend moderator too. The fact the response to shitposting photos is to ban virtually all photos is just a fucktarded move though.
Again, it has everything to do with lack of any real content control. Reporting items that violate the AUP when you actually don't care about it is just a fun way to waste the admins time and irritate people.
And because the site is a free-for-all,with no gateway checking the quality of submissions, even mass banning of items won't work because there is simply not enough people to police the site. Real content control starts with limiting who can upload material and how much they can.
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The problem there is that FA is more Facebook than art site, perhaps by design and perhaps not. It would require a drastic amount of code rewriting to differentiate different user types into artists/contributors and mere viewers, and considering how much the fandom is like one gigantic incestuous popularity contest, there is quite literally no way they could ever begin screening users who want to contribute poorly drawn dongs and/or poorly written fan fiction in any way that could be considered 'fair' or 'unbiased'.
I mean, remember the SCFA/Yerf.com? They had a hard enough task just screening 'clean' art based on subjective criteria. Can you imagine trying to screen some of the godawful porn currently sitting up there? Or, god forbid, some of the writing?
OTOH, didn't the VCL have some baseline requirement for talent and skill before they would grant an account? Not that Draggy would ever take advice from Ch'marr.
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The problem there is that FA is more Facebook than art site, perhaps by design and perhaps not. It would require a drastic amount of code rewriting to differentiate different user types into artists/contributors and mere viewers, and considering how much the fandom is like one gigantic incestuous popularity contest, there is quite literally no way they could ever begin screening users who want to contribute poorly drawn dongs and/or poorly written fan fiction in any way that could be considered 'fair' or 'unbiased'.
I mean, remember the SCFA/Yerf.com? They had a hard enough task just screening 'clean' art based on subjective criteria. Can you imagine trying to screen some of the godawful porn currently sitting up there? Or, god forbid, some of the writing?
OTOH, didn't the VCL have some baseline requirement for talent and skill before they would grant an account? Not that Draggy would ever take advice from Ch'marr.
As it looks now, http://us.vclart.net/wiki/Apply, VCL screens who can join and upload. I have no clue how successful that is.
eh..http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/ArtisticLibido/workout-ink.jpg
Yerf tried very hard to be THE quality furry art site. Exclusivity without revenue to support it equals death.
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Yerf tried very hard to be THE quality furry art site. Exclusivity without revenue to support it equals death.
Yes, but Yerf did have quite a bit of donation revenue behind it. That and Dingo was making ridiculously fat bank from the dot com boom back then. Then the hard drive (supposedly) crashed, and Dingo took the money and blew it on drugs. Allegedly. That'd be a good topic to research and write an article about.
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OTOH, didn't the VCL have some baseline requirement for talent and skill before they would grant an account? Not that Draggy would ever take advice from Ch'marr.
VCL also allows people who aren't members to view smut. FA's policy of requiring membership for adult access would seem to collide with the exclusive membership approach. If I as joe smo furry can't log on and get off, why bother with it? That and VCL would let people in if they knew people, or whatnot. Hell Urban Hermit was on there! The last thing FA needs is to become a club with a bouncer only allowing in their little cadre only.
Really, if VCL had a comments section for people to gush over how great x, y, or z was, it would have had a much better shot at relevancy in the fandom.
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VCL also allows people who aren't members to view smut. FA's policy of requiring membership for adult access would seem to collide with the exclusive membership approach. If I as joe smo furry can't log on and get off, why bother with it?
Well, yes, exactly. Really I'm amazed VCL is still able to get away with not requiring accounts to view smut; I assume there's some little ass-covering "18 and over only" disclaimer tucked away somewhere on the site. FA would either need to drop non-artist accounts entirely, or set up some tiered system for submissions. Neither action is very likely, since, again, FA is more Facebook than art archive, in that all users are 'equal' in their abilities to post so-called 'art', yammer on about whatever in the LJ-esque journals, and fav/watch/e-blowjob others.
That and VCL would let people in if they knew people, or whatnot. Hell Urban Hermit was on there! The last thing FA needs is to become a club with a bouncer only allowing in their little cadre only.
Which again is a point already made above in the thread. As noted before, content control can only be obtained by limiting who can post material, but considering the incestuous popularity contest social structure of furries, objective moderation is literally an impossibility. Even moreso considering the idiots running FA, whose actions seem more geared toward generating drama than actual moderation of a website.
Really, if VCL had a comments section for people to gush over how great x, y, or z was, it would have had a much better shot at relevancy in the fandom.
VCL with comments would be like a *chan with persistence. Allowing any form of commenting from viewers on pretty much any furry-related site pretty much -requires- everyone to sign up for an account first. If only because 99.95% of 'furry webmasters' don't understand the concept of firewalls or htaccess.
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The problem there is that FA is more Facebook than art site, perhaps by design and perhaps not.
Whichever is the case, I'd say they'd be smart to keep it that way. FA has to be the most popular furry site by a longshot, and a great deal of that is simply because it offers a form of social networking for furries. I bet if you could determine the number of watches because someone likes someone else's artwork versus the number of watches between people who simply know each other, the numbers wouldn't be too far off. Aside from that, if art's the main criterion, why have journals? Sure, they have the fact that people have to sign up for an account to look at porn going for them, but if the furries really need the jerk-off fuel, they can go to Fchan and never have to enter login information.
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The last thing FA needs is to become a club with a bouncer only allowing in their little cadre only.
So whats wrong with creating a tiered system where paid members get prioritized front page time, more account space,no upload size limitations, etc?
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Nothing, aside from that it would never work.
Objective content control would still be nonexistent - any pencil-chewing troglodyte with a few bucks could still buy themselves a 'premium' account. And any account holder who dares cross the mod/admin staff would likely find themselves banned or at least lose their paid privileges. Plus, they'd still need a reliable payment processor, some kind of billing system to keep track of it all, and a significant overhaul of the site itself to support tiered users. Which would require competent leadership and competent developers.
It's far too ambitious a proposition to ever work.
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This is why the plan is that FA donors get Furcadia quality badges for donating! Honors and benefits.
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Staff cocksucker wings... for life! Only 299.99. You pay the bills so they can play TF2 in confidence.
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Somewhere, maybe here, someone used the example of Something Awful as what might eventually happen to FA. The long and short of it was that SA pretty much couldn't sustain itself with the amount of work required to keep it running, and no one was ponying up donations and Lowtax or whoever didn't feel like subsidizing the user base. So they started charging for access to the forums, and minimized the loss of existing users by grandfathering accounts. It didn't work well, but it apparently generated enough income to sustain the site. Or something. I don't remember exactly.
But I think it's reasonable to expect that at some point, despite Dragoneer's protests to the contrary, that FA will have some kind of subscription. I kind of doubt that will be access to the site itself, because that would never work. Everything would end up on Fchan or e621, as someone already pointed out. It could be premium features, it could be some kind of donor-perk scheme, who knows. It's not exactly easy to figure out how to "monetize" (god I hate that word) a site, and even some of the best and brightest with millions of VC dollars can't figure it out. While I think we'll see something, the jury is clearly out on what it will be or how successful or sustainable it will be.
Princess Piche isn't exactly a Harvard dropout with VCs begging to give him giant sacks with dollar signs on them.
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Well, yes, exactly. Really I'm amazed VCL is still able to get away with not requiring accounts to view smut; I assume there's some little ass-covering "18 and over only" disclaimer tucked away somewhere on the site. FA would either need to drop non-artist accounts entirely, or set up some tiered system for submissions. Neither action is very likely, since, again, FA is more Facebook than art archive, in that all users are 'equal' in their abilities to post so-called 'art', yammer on about whatever in the LJ-esque journals, and fav/watch/e-blowjob others.
A lot of porn sites don't filter anything based on age; don't see why FA would either - then again porn makes big bucks unlike FA....
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Somewhere, maybe here, someone used the example of Something Awful as what might eventually happen to FA. The long and short of it was that SA pretty much couldn't sustain itself with the amount of work required to keep it running, and no one was ponying up donations and Lowtax or whoever didn't feel like subsidizing the user base. So they started charging for access to the forums, and minimized the loss of existing users by grandfathering accounts. It didn't work well, but it apparently generated enough income to sustain the site. Or something. I don't remember exactly.
It's astounding how you managed to get not just some, but EVERY part of this completely wrong. Great job, go hog wild!
But I think it's reasonable to expect that at some point, despite Dragoneer's protests to the contrary, that FA will have some kind of subscription. I kind of doubt that will be access to the site itself, because that would never work. Everything would end up on Fchan or e621, as someone already pointed out. It could be premium features, it could be some kind of donor-perk scheme, who knows. It's not exactly easy to figure out how to "monetize" (god I hate that word) a site, and even some of the best and brightest with millions of VC dollars can't figure it out. While I think we'll see something, the jury is clearly out on what it will be or how successful or sustainable it will be.
It's more realistic to assume some other site will come along in the future with this sort of model to usurp the FA throne, as it were. A 'facebook' to replace the aging, flawed, and bloated 'myspace', so to speak. The odds against FA actually managing to reinvent itself in a meaningful manner, with competent staff to manage the place are so astronomical, even mathematicians who study infinities are like 'damn son that's a big number'.
t loki fix your quote tags, faggot. Also it's pretty much commonly required by law in most Western nations these days to have at least an '18 and over only' disclaimer on any website with adult material.
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Princess Piche isn't exactly a Harvard dropout with VCs begging to give him giant sacks with dollar signs on them.
Unfortunately there are several furries who are.
I'm under the belief that Dragoneer will do nothing to harm the status quo, and that in the event FA isn't making enough to operate he will work himself deep in debt to keep it alive and keep himself relevant. All so when the Repo men come he can shout "I SINK MY OWN TIME AND MONEY INTO THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS IS THE THANKS I GET IN RETURN?"
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Somewhere, maybe here, someone used the example of Something Awful as what might eventually happen to FA. The long and short of it was that SA pretty much couldn't sustain itself with the amount of work required to keep it running, and no one was ponying up donations and Lowtax or whoever didn't feel like subsidizing the user base. So they started charging for access to the forums, and minimized the loss of existing users by grandfathering accounts. It didn't work well, but it apparently generated enough income to sustain the site. Or something. I don't remember exactly.
And it's all bullshit. They double dip with ad revenue and revenue from accounts/avatars/whatnot. Especially when you consider they have a fairly crappy frontpage and just a modified forum software holding the majority of the site together. Oh, and don't even start with volume of traffic or bandwidth excuses. 4chan is doing just fine with pretty much the same ads. Dammit J-list, I don't even want a friend in Japan!
As for FA, the way the fandom usually works is any 'community' site is little more than an ego operation for the handful of people running it. Unless it's not a furry site originally, like livejournal. Things get replaced, like how FA replaced Sheezyart. Maybe eventually FA will go away, or kick on as a living dinosaur like so many before it, but he'll try anything socially 'safe' first to avoid that. I kind of agree with Conan, he's willing to pay to cart 2's useless ass out to FA:U for no other reason than to have all the bells and whistles for his own little shin-dig.
FA is simply put, the biggest internet phenomena the furry fandom has ever gotten into that was a home brew. Sure, it's a clone of a clone of Deviantart with about 10% of the functionality, and in large part the popularity is due to the snowball effect of everything from the Furnation era passing away and the influx of kids who identify as furry like it's a culture/fashion fad a-la 'emo', but it's not going away anytime soon. It has it's own con for fuck's sake. VCL never could claim that. The cub porn hubbub was over lawsuit potential, not them failing to meet the bills. If anything, failing to meet the bills would be mismanagement and ad related more than anything.
The real problem with FA, the thing that WILL eventually be the linchpin of it's own mortality, is that it offers very little in the way of service. At least it offers virtually nothing someone else can't do, if not do better (and for a while that was the Inkbunny pitch). What it offers is the people who are there. The come because so-and-so is over there. Which also means in theory when the numbers thin, it will domino into an exodus.
It really is funny to think of the entirety of the fandom as a band of nomads, with an unrelated landowner declaring himself king when the tents go up and then retiring with a bitter cadre when the last caravan pulls away, over and over again.
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It's astounding how you managed to get not just some, but EVERY part of this completely wrong. Great job, go hog wild!
Well, I apologize for not being an expert on Something Awful.
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I'm under the belief that Dragoneer will do nothing to harm the status quo, and that in the event FA isn't making enough to operate he will work himself deep in debt to keep it alive and keep himself relevant. All so when the Repo men come he can shout "I SINK MY OWN TIME AND MONEY INTO THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS IS THE THANKS I GET IN RETURN?"
That sounds familiar. What a testament to such idiotic selfless actions that I can't actually remember the name of the last popular furry website with an attention whore admin/owner who did that. You know, the one with the stupid logo plastered everywhere. Donotsue used to have his stuff hosted there. Had like a half dozen sims on Second Life.
Edit: Oh, FurNation. Duh. (Thanks Dos)
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FA is simply put, the biggest internet phenomena the furry fandom has ever gotten into that was a home brew. Sure, it's a clone of a clone of Deviantart with about 10% of the functionality, and in large part the popularity is due to the snowball effect of everything from the Furnation era passing away and the influx of kids who identify as furry like it's a culture/fashion fad a-la 'emo', but it's not going away anytime soon. It has it's own con for fuck's sake. VCL never could claim that. The cub porn hubbub was over lawsuit potential, not them failing to meet the bills. If anything, failing to meet the bills would be mismanagement and ad related more than anything.
The real problem with FA, the thing that WILL eventually be the linchpin of it's own mortality, is that it offers very little in the way of service. At least it offers virtually nothing someone else can't do, if not do better (and for a while that was the Inkbunny pitch). What it offers is the people who are there. The come because so-and-so is over there. Which also means in theory when the numbers thin, it will domino into an exodus.
It really is funny to think of the entirety of the fandom as a band of nomads, with an unrelated landowner declaring himself king when the tents go up and then retiring with a bitter cadre when the last caravan pulls away, over and over again.
People just go where the porn is, so usually it follows where the better artists upload. FA is kinda rough yeah, but for tracking down art involving your favorite gender/species/kink/etc it's ok, though it could use some better classification and search features (especially if the volume of data goes up). Plus, it is easy to dump your "art" on it, which gives it nice diversity and all. Sure, someone could code a better art site but I think it's not going to overcome the disadvantage of not being already full of porn like FA is. Plus, thanks to the recent debacle, Inkbunny is probably full of pedo porn by now, which gives it a "free" contingent of artists and followers but will repulse probably most furries, which counts against it.
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In somewhat related news, tonight FA brought their 10th server online. This is the 4th server they've racked with no purpose.
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In somewhat related news, tonight FA brought their 10th server online. This is the 4th server they've racked with no purpose.
What shittarded name did they give this one? What claimed purpose does it have? (i could find this out on my own but i'm a lazy bum)
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In somewhat related news, tonight FA brought their 10th server online. This is the 4th server they've racked with no purpose.
What shittarded name did they give this one? What claimed purpose does it have? (i could find this out on my own but i'm a lazy bum)
"Sparkz". It's one of the four identical servers they had donated (twin dual-core 2.4Ghz Opteron 2216 system with 48GB of RAM and 4X 146GB 15K RPM SAS drives in RAID 10) and they haven't announced it's purpose (other than showing off, of course). Presumably it's one of the servers they'll run that URL shortening service on and what their stupid hosting service will be on, IF either of those two things ever come online.
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that URL shortening service
So I'm gonna say within a week of that being online, it gets blacklisted (or whatever happens to such things, I'm not a network administrator) for overwhelmingly hosting spam, malware, and virus-laden redirects. Of course it'll be used on the FA forums for rick rolls and what not.
I'd say it'd be hard to max out the server when all you're doing is a simple DB lookup and then a 302 redirect, but if anyone can pull it off, it's them.
Oh and not to mention it could be used to exploit CSRF holes, like, well, you know...
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FA's greatest defense against malicious attacks may be that it is so hopelessly broken. I don't see anything short of a DDOS bringing it down (apart from it just going down because fuck knows). I mean, from a cracking perspective, why would you even bother with such a ball of spaghetti code? It requires a whole different attitude to approach from the exploit angle. You have to think broader, stupider... then find the unencrypted list of passwords through reverse searching 'password' or 'yiff' or something.
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Blah. We'll probably have to pull FA next week for a bit to try to upgrade RAM. Good thing I have 200GB of 4GB sticks sitting on my floor!
The site is getting slow (again), better throw a couple thousand dollars worth of RAM at it and hope that helps.
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Does anyone know if the servers are running in long mode (64-bit)? I'm sure the hardware is capable, but are they running a 64-bit OS?
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Does anyone know if the servers are running in long mode (64-bit)? I'm sure the hardware is capable, but are they running a 64-bit OS?
I would laugh so hard if those idiots were running a standard 32-bit kernel without PAE.
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And doesn't PAE incur a performance hit, which is why having 64-bit on a server is a good idea, since servers can actually use 4+ GB of RAM in a useful way?
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And doesn't PAE incur a performance hit, which is why having 64-bit on a server is a good idea, since servers can actually use 4+ GB of RAM in a useful way?
PAE incurs a performance hit, but so does stomping 64-bit-wide pointers down all of the buses.
IIRC their important boxes are FreeBSD, which has a pretty mature amd64 implementation. I'd certainly hope they're running the 64-bit OS as a whole. I don't think yak is quite that stupid.
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Pinkuh has gone ahead and banned Sonic porn as well (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87584-Sonic-Character-Ages?p=2282176&viewfull=1#post2282176), specifically fan art of any character cannonly under 18.
Apparently this also includes Renamon and Krystal. Now what will furries fap to?
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Pinkuh has gone ahead and banned Sonic porn as well (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87584-Sonic-Character-Ages?p=2282176&viewfull=1#post2282176), specifically fan art of any character cannonly under 18.
Apparently this also includes Renamon and Krystal. Now what will furries fap to?
In porn, Sonic characters look like 10 year olds. Renamon and Krystal don't have that problem. (also Krystal is 19 in canon in case you ask)
UPDATE: http://image.bayimg.com/mabndaadc.jpg (http://image.bayimg.com/mabndaadc.jpg)
(Pinkuh basically saying the same as Dragoneer - if it looks pedo it is pedo, so aged up characters would be fine but not canon style)
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Pinkuh has gone ahead and banned Sonic porn as well (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87584-Sonic-Character-Ages?p=2282176&viewfull=1#post2282176), specifically fan art of any character cannonly under 18.
Hahaha oh man, this is going to lead to a lot of questions and discussion to which the correct and ultimate answer is: "WHO GIVES A SHIT?"
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Which has led to banning Sonic Porn, which of course leads to this sort of thing:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1920986/ (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1920986/)
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Pinkuh has gone ahead and banned Sonic porn as well (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87584-Sonic-Character-Ages?p=2282176&viewfull=1#post2282176), specifically fan art of any character cannonly under 18.
Apparently this also includes Renamon and Krystal. Now what will furries fap to?
Holy shit. This is officially out of control now.
BETWEEN THIS AND THE TINY TOONS THE ENTIRE NINETIES HAS BEEN BANNED
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Lots of sperglord raging going on about the sonic ban I'd imagine. I can't stop laughing.
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Pinkuh has gone ahead and banned Sonic porn as well (http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/87584-Sonic-Character-Ages?p=2282176&viewfull=1#post2282176), specifically fan art of any character cannonly under 18.
Given the site's policy change, this seems... redundant.
If they really want to go all the way with this, they could ban any trademarked character, and boy would that piss people off. Mind you, this was done before by VCL and maybe also by Yerf/Rat/SCFA... certainly got rid of all the terrible Sonic fan art. I think the main reason for the ban was to protect the site from corporate lawyers looking for an opportunity to sue for infringement. Happened during the popularity rise of the Pokemon/Digimon scene. VCL survived just fine afterwards. One interesting work-around that emerged was for people to draw "pokemorphs" and "digimorphs", i.e., "This is a species I've made up which is not any trademarked character but is done in a similar artistic style to ones that are."
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Isn't Dragoneer some Digimon thing?
Maybe it's because I didn't grow up with any of this stuff...the '90s cartoons or the video games, even though that's my age cohort, but I just find all of it so banal. I feel like I'm the only one who hears a cartoon, video game, or anime reference and goes, "haha, what?"
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This just keeps getting better and better.
Feral, Pokemon, Digimon, ect.
The cub ban does not apply to these characters due to the fact that they are considered beast and there is no true way to say "HEY THAT CHARACTER IS UNDERAGED." That is the long and the short on that.
Honestly if a character looks like a child their whole life? Then whoever wants to draw that character is out of luck. It's the LOOK of characters we are judging by. If something looks like a kid to us even though they are 50 (See Shippo from inuyasha) Then they are still a kid to all eyes involved.
Pokemon are all beasts/feral, Sonic is not. Sonic is anthro. That's really how neer views things.
Digimon, however, are sentient and talk and many walk as 'human-like' as the Sonic crew. If you know the series well, you could argue that they are still 'battle monsters', but I doubt any rep from a payment processing agency etc is going to know that. Surely they will see no visual difference between a child-like bi-pedal sentient-seeming Digimon (or certain Pokémon, for that matter, given how many artists show human-like Pokés as fully sentient AND talking 'human', without changing their appearance) and a Sonic character.
Pinkuh: Also got a couple people wanting to know why Digimon is concidered beast instead of anthro cause they talk and such
Dragoneer: They're not child and have no relative age.
Dragoneer: not children
Basically they don't know what the hell to do, but won't ban Digimon and Pokemon porn because Dragoneer likes it.
Also thought this was funny:
That's really how neer views things. I hope he comes by this thread too, but work has him slammed at the moment @_@ You may have better luck posting in his journal about your question if you want him to answer it himself.
Yes he is quite busy with work. (http://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statuses/12307908477845504)
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I wonder how far they'll go, and I wonder how much of their userbase they'll piss off, just so that they have their donation line open.