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Public Discourse => Other Topics => Topic started by: a pigeon on September 28, 2010, 01:51:56 pm
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It has been said that one of the reasons why Dragoneer/Preyfar/Princess Piche's behavior is as it is: control freak, suspicious/paranoid and wanting to be adored , is because he suffered one or more traumatic events in conjuction with the pennsylvania furs, olive gardens have been mentioned.
I found a livejournal entry referring to what must have been one of the principle events since it provoked a meltdown from Preyfar and, apparantly, people coming to think that he was mentally ill. It is from November 2003 and refers to a furmeet at boarders bookshop which was near Preyfar's home and of which he knew nothing. He assumed that there was some active plot to keep him away. As it turned out he simply hadn't seen the LJ post announcing the event:
This is in response to this rather angry post from shutterwind aka Preyfar wherein he proceeded to rant about me.
Time to clear a few things up:
1) I was not running the event. film2edit was, and she was the one who was inviting people. If you are upset because you were not invited, you should bring it up with her. I had nothing to do with it. Furthermore, she posted about this in her LJ quite some time ago, and asked if people were interested in coming. It's not like this was some secret thing.
2) This was hardly a "PA furry" event. In fact, I was the only person from Pennsylvania who attended. film2edit lives in New York, and others who attended were either from New York or New Jersey.
3) Invoking the PA-Furry mailing list in your rant was uncalled for. That list had no relavence to the event.
I really don't know what your problem is, but I do know that ranting about it in your Live Journal is not going to solve anything. And you know what? By going and dragging my name through the mud like this, you've given me a really good reason to be pissed off at you. Can we say, "self-fulfilling prophesy"?
http://giza.livejournal.com/71673.html
Preyfar's responses:
I was highly upset at the time, and given some very conflicting information. Still, my "rant" on the mailing list was most a sarcastic post than it was anything else, and not very spiteful. Yet, besides this, I also heard several people tell me there are people on the mailing who have been telling people that I'm next to clinically insane, which really upset me.
Coupled together, I got extremly anger, and hurt being all belief. =/ I wrote an upset post feeling like I had been ignored by the people I called friends, and that's still how I feel.
A lot of it was done in haste, and the fact I literally wanted to cry. I mean, imagine if half a dozen people you know and call friends are literally hanging out on your block, and they know how to get into contact with you, but don't. Then they message you the day after and tell you all about it. But then you ALSO find out one person in the group purposefully didn't want you there, and made sure not to tell anybody until after everyone left.
Yeah.
I didn't feel that hot either.
Well, you were at the bookstore I hangout, chilling at my building, and you didn't think to stop by and say hi? No. But, I was kindly told that you privately only mentioned I lived in the building you were all hanging out after you all had left, so you didn't have to deal with me.
So, was I upset? Yes. Yes I was. Wouldn't you be if half a dozen of your friend were hanging out in the very place you live and didn't even consider the courtesy of saying hi?
You know I lived there. I know you ignored me. I was kindly told.
Thank you.
As for her posting it to her journal, I didn't have her on my friends list. I wasn't to know about it until later. As for the PA Furry rant, it wasn't a rant, it was a pure sarcasm, not rantage. Besides, you responded back to me after I e-mail it to your admin address, and I didn't see any complaints about the post, so I carried it over to the regular list after you correctly pointed me to it.
Which, looking back, was greatly in error.
(this: http://film2edit.livejournal.com/114505.html is the LJ post where the meet was publically announced).
I think there was also some bad-blood between Preyfar and Giza in the past, if this LJ entry is anything to go by. From Jan 2003:
A friend of mine once said that "assumptions are the mother of all f*ckups", or something similar, and he's right. Sometimes I just jump to conclusions and open my mouth without thinking.
I did it again yesterday. Someone made an offhand comment to an LJ entry, and I just went nuts. I made all kinds of assumptions that were flat out wrong, and I acted like a complete jerk. I said rude, hurtful things that I wish I could take back.
It doesn't matter "who started it". What matters is that I kept it going by adding fuel to the fire. I am as guilty as anyone for making the situation worse. It makes me feel like crap that I did some of these things.
Preyfar, Phil: I am sorry I caused you guys distress yesterday. You were right Preyfar, my decision not attend the event was mine and mine alone. It's stupid for me to be angry at you for that.
Tango: I'm sorry about the mess in your LJ.
I think that Preyfar may have had a romantic relationship with PhilDaFeline at one point, though I'm not sure. All of this would certainly go towards explaining why Preyfar still hates and rants about Giza today, as his rant on FD_2, quoted here: http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,270.msg3190.html#msg3190 illustrates.
Given that Preyfar this very day made a journal on FA about Jibba's aids (see thread I linked to), which will embarass Kage (and therefore indirectly Anthrocon and Giza who is on the board of directors for it) and that he ranted about Giza on FD_2 yesterday shows that even now he is still driven by the hatreds and emotions of his pennsylvania fur traumas of 7 years ago.
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No clue where I got this link, it may very well have been here, so forgive me if this is old news, but this (http://lists.claws-and-paws.com/pipermail/pa-furry/2003-November/005730.html) was Dragoneer's last posting to the PA-Furry mailing list from around that time (2003).
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Thanks for that link to the mailing list. Here it is, the olive garden itself:
Sat Nov 15 14:42:02 EST 2003
I just wanted to take a moment and thank each and every one of you
who ventured out to fine Chestnut Street out here in Philadelphia to
see They Might Be Giant playing at the Barnes and Nobles right across
from my house. To eat at the Olive Garden right next to where I
live. And, especially more than that, to not invite me, and to make
sure nobody knew I didn't live there until after your party left the
area.
There's a special, warm place in my heart for those who go out of
their way to ignore me, and prevent me from joining in anything that
happens in the community. It's moments like these that truly bring a
smile to my face, and let me know how valuable my friendship is to
group as a whole!
I shall be sure to never participate in any event ever held in this
state, because I understand how much you all truly love having me
along. And, were it not for kind, thankful soul who was with you who
let me know just how much I TRULY meant to all of you, I'd have never
have been able to feel the affectionate display of generosity shown
towards yours truly.
With sincerest thanks,
Preyfar
^
http://lists.claws-and-paws.com/pipermail/pa-furry/2003-November/005695.html
Some responses:
Oh my, that was disturbing.
Just to save the folks time and trouble of replying to that, I figure I
should let you all know that he unsuscribed from this list shortly after
posting that.
Oh well.
Thank Gods.
I don't get it. The meet wasn't even discussed here. NOBODY got invited.
I don't have all the details on this. But I get the feeling this was
just a small, managable gathering of close friends, not an all-out Furry
Outing or anything. There's a lot of times that people just want to keep
things small and close- they're not obligated to let the entire group
know whenever they go out and do something 'cool'.
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Jesus how many furry names does this faggot have anyway?
Also I love his U MAD style defense. "It was all sarcasm, guys! Honest!"
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Next time you guys bitch about how CYD went to shit and you guys say that you want Viv to be something better...
Take a fucking look. Go fuck yourselves.
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I guess that would explain Sean's impetus to create his own clique for everything furries did that he somehow got burnt by. A furry con, a TF2 server, etc. It's pretty obvious now that he intends to turn FA into his own personal playground with the unofficial group of shortbus internet vigilantes, WYS.
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Next time you guys bitch about how CYD went to shit and you guys say that you want Viv to be something better...
Take a fucking look. Go fuck yourselves.
Aw, now why would you want to go and try deleting this lovely post before we could point and laugh at you taking the Internet too seriously.
Got a pony in this race, Lazarian? Care to share some details?
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Next time you guys bitch about how CYD went to shit and you guys say that you want Viv to be something better...
Take a fucking look. Go fuck yourselves.
Take a chill pill man, no need to sperg out.
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I guess that would explain Sean's impetus to create his own clique for everything furries did that he somehow got burnt by. A furry con, a TF2 server, etc. It's pretty obvious now that he intends to turn FA into his own personal playground with the unofficial group of shortbus internet vigilantes, WYS.
You mean FA wasn't his personal playground before now?
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This seems like reaching to me. I think the majority of people can look back SEVEN YEARS and see some dumb ass tantrum or reaction they made to something.
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This seems like reaching to me. I think the majority of people can look back SEVEN YEARS and see some dumb ass tantrum or reaction they made to something.
Read the other thread here that the OP links to. It's kind of buried but really this thread is an outcropping of the most recent posts in this (http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,270.msg3190.html#msg3190) thread. Dragoneer himself brought this stuff up in the first place, and it's clear he still hasn't let go from those events. He still takes every chance he can to shit all over Kage, Anthrocon, or anything else connected to the Philadelphia crowd.
It is kind of amazing how furries let things that happened years and years ago dominate their lives. I wonder why that is.
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He still takes every chance he can to shit all over Kage, Anthrocon, or anything else connected to the Philadelphia crowd.
Uhhhh... y'mean... kinda like said other thread, which is titled "post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip"?
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Uhhhh... y'mean... kinda like said other thread, which is titled "post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip"?
The difference being that threads here are primarily for entertainment purposes, not for venting personal grudges.
While nobody but Dragoneer can say with absolute certainty what his impetus for posting such things is/was, the evidence of past altercations between the two of them seem to suggest that he is indeed 'dredging up the past' or some such nonsense.
Occam's razor, which I'm sure we all know and love and which seldom ever applies to furry faggotry, would probably show the simplest explanation to be a case of "haters gonna hate" - Dragoneer has a cult of personality and is beloved by his sycophants. But Conway has a bigger cult of personality and more sycophants, and a gigantic convention he's always given credit for, and all these stories (of questionable veracity) of him being all charitable and altruistic and such. He also takes the Internet and Furry way too seriously. So anything that can be used to "take him (Conway) down a peg" is immediately blown out of proportion and plastered around the 'net.
But that's just in addressing the Dragoneer vs. Conway crap. What the hell was this thread about, again? Oh, right, dude being a huge sperg several years ago. Hey, newsflash, pretty much all teenagers on the Internet these days are huge 'spergs and about as socially inept as they come. God forbid anyone accuse me of defending Dragoneer - this shit's hilarious, after all. But, really, I think we can leave the 'dredging up and documenting the past' part to ED.
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Uhhhh... y'mean... kinda like said other thread, which is titled "post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip"?
The difference being that threads here are primarily for entertainment purposes, not for venting personal grudges.
Oh, I know there's a difference, just that in context it seemed kind of weird to say "Oh that Dragoneer, always dredging for crap on people he doesn't like and then posting it on the internet to gloat about!" You know there's a difference between him doing it and us doing it, but pointing it out winds up seeming hypocritical all the same.
It's sort of like watching them cut live shellfish in half on Iron Chef. Intellectually you know that they're just giant waterbreathing bugs who probably don't have nervous systems advanced enough to feel pain. And yet watching it still provokes a gut response of "OMG THOSE POOR THINGS!" ... Well, for me at least.
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Fair enough!
Back on topic, then.
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Good effing God. I was really hoping I could have deleted that embarrassing drunkpost before anyone noticed it.
Would it be worth anything if I said that I'm really, really fucking sorry for that?
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Not really, but we'll all probably forget in a few days so just roll with it.
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Here is a post from the recently leaked WYS partial database dump (http://tinyurl.com/3rqgbeo), this post was made late last year and it refers to Preyfar/Dragoneer's Pensylvaniafur trauma:
Kage just showed up at FC, and expected that they change their con scheduling last minute to accommodate him? Are you for serious? If that''s true, that''s not just egotistical, that''s almost megalomaniacal - to the point of not just feeling you''re that important, but that you need to be able to all but take over any other con the moment you showed up.\n\nI can share a story, too: a guy I used to know (he used to go by "Preyfar" - you may know of him) started up a bunch of meets and art jams years ago in PA. Small, but had a bunch of people. Mostly at coffee shops in Philadelphia. He told me he did a meet in the King of Prussia mall (old AC stomping grounds). Kage and his crew showed up, and said "Screw the mall, let''s go to the zoo!" and over half the meet blindly followed Kage and everybody else to the zoo. In November. In the rain.\n\nPreyfar got pissed, never held a meet again after it was taken over. Who goes to a zoo in the cold ass rain? Short of FAU, he never ran events since. As he tells it Preyfar/Dragoneer got banned from the PA state furry mailing list and excommunicated from the local group due to him and Kage not getting along. Said there was some stupid argument, and got perma-banned from the list and PA furry events after the mailing list mod decided to fuck with him, changing his settings and continually deleting his profile behind his back.\n\nI think that was back in like 2002-2004 era. Used to talk to him a lot back then.\n\nIt''s been a while since we last talked, but I know the Kage problems continued for him when AC staffer Furp (RIP) moved in with him in Kyrgyzstan. Furp was bestest buddies with Kage and other AC staffers, and Neer bitched Furp kept causing a buncha butthurt drama, leaking everything he did/said back to the AC staff, causing all sorts of general problems for him at his job where they both worked. \n\nDragoneer had said that the last thing Kagemushi ever said to him was "Welcome to my shitlist, asshole" because they had some difference of opinion, and some twat in his journal called AC "Kagecon" and Neer didn''t blindly jump to his defense, so Kage shit all over him. Been a grudge on Kage''s side against him since.',
Incidentally, Dragoneer's IP adress, as logged on the FA mainsite and the WYS forums is the same as that of firepyro. So, I guess Sean really is still bearing a grudge over this trauma.
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The mailing list admin would be Giza, PHP slinger for a porn site, whose infidelity and Dragoneer's supposed outrage at thereof figured into at least one version of these events.
To me it sounds like two egotistical fags wrestling for control of the lesser fags, aka the Philly furry group, and one of the fags won and went on to chair AC while the other slinked off to a glorified helpdesk contracting job with DoD.
This random amalgamation of details into a narrative is just an attempt to rationalize base emotional conflict.