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JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« on: March 31, 2008, 09:40:56 pm »
    The man. The legend. The hastily cranked-out porn. The faces that will never, ever look quite right.

   

    This is the stupid thread you guys are supposed to post all the latest hot jay naylor news and discussion to.
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2008, 12:23:06 pm »
My site's Naylor board, LOLjectivism - ongoing discussion of/ripping on Better Days, New Worlds (when it's updated), and his pornfolios, as well as Naylor himself.
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2008, 11:37:44 pm »
While I can't often be pushed to give a god damn about Naylor or his endlessly repetitive and mindless neocon-style Randian bashing his latest little pornfolio did catch my attention.  Haukaiu the Hero, I don't know if there's an official site or page, all I can find are torrents -- it's first part of four is a pretty transparent retelling of Anthem.  A special heroic character invents something that would potentially upset the balance of power and that upper class of communist leaders rejects the invention.  He is shamed, but he doesn't care.  Our stereotypically-Randian hero leaves this anti-rational society alone.  Time will tell if Haukaiu's fucktoy turns into his Golden One who runs away with him and shares in the greatness of invention and reason.  Naylor's women never really do anything but fuck.  Were I a fan of Naylor or something I'd probably still have a complaint about his massive blocks of text taking up most of each page in lieu of the fairly lackluster porn, so he ain't saved by any jerking potential.

There's also some malcontent whining that the world Naylor uses here, Ollie Canal's Rym, has been somehow defiled.  His peaceful island Lutrai are portrayed here as a stupid and irrational society of shamans and sheep.  These people forget though that Rym wasn't really that special to begin with.
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2008, 09:31:49 pm »

    I have to wonder if this is the first porno version of Anthem. I suppose you could call it innovative if it was. No wait, no you couldn't.
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2008, 07:23:42 pm »


    Holy god, it's not a photoshop.

    This man has just got a fuck of a lot more entertaining.
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2008, 10:16:55 pm »
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2008, 03:17:01 pm »
Chil'ins. Also, although I love how Naylor is trying to make a point about how awful black muslims are in the context of a book about how race and whatnot are irrelevant... were there ANY muslim converts among the general freed slave masses at that time?
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2008, 05:23:55 pm »
If I read this correctly there is no slavery in place.  Therefore in Naylor's world, black people are ignorant sex fiends all on their own and they need the white race to help them along.  Also in this world, the Muslims are horrible and backwards people, and they're religious sexual deviants!  Also in this world, gay people like the foxes who fuck the main character (they think she's a boy) are just incredibly stupid and stereotypical.  They speak of anonymous sex at truck stops, that's more the domain of closeted, self-hating middle class white men.  Like Naylor.  Personal experience?  Hurrrrr.
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2008, 02:57:31 pm »

     To be honest, the muslim bit was so mind-numbingly retarded that the bit with the reverse trap actually seems innovative in comparison.

     Except, you know, horribly implemented. Like everything else Naylor has ever done.
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 08:07:25 pm »
The only furry webcomic artist I hate more than Naylor is that motherFUCKER who made that comic 'Jack'.

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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2008, 12:54:53 pm »

    The guy who made Jack is, at least, a decent human being. Naylor is just a pigfucker.
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2008, 11:20:35 pm »
Oh boy! Another installment of Porno Anthem! And it's an even bigger wall of text this time!
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2008, 05:01:49 am »
So the Clawcast interview with Jay Naylor finally came out.  Here's the highlights; you can hear the full thing over at the Clawcast site:

Haukaiu is actually approved by Ollie Canal, who Naylor says he sends "every little word" to in order to make sure things aren't out of whack with Ollie's vision of the Lutrai world
As far as edits of his works go, he doesn't think about them (and he also doesn't go to imageboards or the like)
Piracy apparently hasn't hurt his business, and he pretty much doesn't give a shit about it unless it does
He believes the reputation he has is because of who he was when he was in his early twenties, as opposed to anything recently
He believes he's not using his characters as his mouthpiece
A recent instance of him having his characters do something that he wouldn't have done himself/didn't believe in himself was when Fisk decided to not stay at home and live with Beth, and instead go join the secret assassination group
On the topic of racial stereotypes using species, he says it's because BD's universe shares the same history as real life, thus he needs to represent other races to maintain the history and the context (and apparently, rabbits, felines, and canines all represent "the various regions of Europe"); he chose hyenas to represent "Africans" because it was the only species he felt comfortable drawing into the role (he didn't do zebras because he didn't like drawing hooved characters back then, he didn't do giraffes because he hates long necks [?!], and he didn't do lions because of possible confusion with the generic felines)
He believes that anyone who wants to hate him will ignore the positives of his works and go right for the negatives in order to nitpick them, and that most of the people who hate him disliked him to begin with, and haven't thought "logically" about "the real issues"
He says that criticisms of how he's portrayed Beth from her original appearance to now may actually be valid
He doesn't believe Fisk is a Mary Sue, he says Fisk is not "his personal furry", and regrets having Fisk being attached to him as a representation of him
In regards to the incest in BD, he might not do it again if he could go back and do it, and he did it in the first place to throw in a twist
He no longer writes stories to throw in twists, he writes them to pit character archetypes together.
He doesn't editoralize "too much" through his characters (he admits that the "abstract art chapter" is an exception to this)
In what is a rather cheap shot at Mat Sherer, he calls Mat an "America-hating piece of crap"
He recalls all the differences between his Lucy Black and Mat's Lucy Koneko (different ages, different last names, living in different countries, different histories) and believes the differences didn't obligate him to credit Mat, especially if he was to "[become] an embarassing liability"
He calls Mat "combative" and says "he picked fights on the Internet", and says Mat hated people like Scott Kurtz because everyone else hated them
He describes Mat's personality as "disgusting, negative, young, immature, sick" and didn't want to be associated professionally with him

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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2008, 04:11:26 pm »
I like the bit abut the characters being totally different through sheer disassociation with a former typefuck buddy.

The only thing that surprised me was the devil may care attitude towards piracy. Is there something to that or is he just lying?

(Now I'm imagining he got those Rand audiotapes off Kazaa.)
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2008, 05:12:45 pm »
The only thing that surprised me was the devil may care attitude towards piracy. Is there something to that or is he just lying?

Best I can tell from the interview, he makes enough money off the stupid fuckwits people buying his art that piracy hasn't affected his sales.  If it ever did, then he'd take a more hardlined stance against it (much like everyone's favorite DMCA-happy fuckhole Jeremy Bernal), but he says he probably doesn't have to worry about it, since the people pirating his art are the kind of people who despise him and only want to pick at the flaws in his art.

Which is partly true, I suppose -- I gank his stuff to laugh/facepalm at how horrible the writing is, but in the same sense, I also do it in the hopes that maybe he'll actually have produced something worth fapping to.  (It's the same reason I watch his FA and love to see his sketchblog stuff -- without any sort of story or writing to accompany the images, they become much more fappable.)

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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2008, 11:28:50 pm »
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There is absolutely nothing that we didn't already know, or couldn't have guessed, in the podcast.  They could have accomplished as much by reading from Naylor's LJ.  w2g Clawcast, you ineffectual group of... well, I guess that's redundant with "podcast" now isn't it.

I can't say that he could become any more Objectiv-ey than he is now.  I just don't know how it'd be possible to improve.  Naylor is like a young Branden without the creativity or intelligence to become something more than that.
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2008, 12:33:56 am »
In what is a rather cheap shot at Mat Sherer, he calls Mat an "America-hating piece of crap"

     This is glorious. I can't thank you enough for actually bothering to listen to that thing.

     Naylor is truly the last entertaining furry. Quips like that basically paint him as a more articulate version of KAK.
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2008, 07:31:31 am »
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I also do it in the hopes that maybe he'll actually have produced something worth fapping to.

I don't know what the odds of that are now. Almost without fail furry artists plateau in skill level the moment their porn starts making money. I mean, fuck, has Wookie or MBR or anyone 'known' really improved at all over the last 5 years despite constant practice?
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Re: JAY NAYLOR ZEGATHREAD
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2008, 11:28:40 am »
No one really famous.  Blotch hasn't improved since well before they were Blotch.
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2008, 01:34:50 am »
I like Better Days, I like it a lot.  I think that as far as furry webcomics go, it's pretty good.  However, I say that with the belief that the bar is set so low in furry fandom you could stub your tow on it.  Anyone with half a brain and who actually employs that half a brain could create something far better than the par for the course.  It's not the most brilliant furry thing I've ever read, but with so much shit out there, it's not that bad by comparison.  I honestly found it interesting to see so many characters lives progress over years and years.

That said, I didn't realize what a crack pot Naylor really was.  The comic had it's right wing elements and Fisk talks more than Animaniac's Brain does at ten years old.  But the crazy he expresses in many other mediums was largly omitted from Better Days.  That's quite the feat for a furry webcomic, when most are used to say directly what the creator thinks, as if they were spoke straight from his own mouth.  So, yeah, Naylor fucking scares me and I wonder if he thinks Red Dawn was a documentary but I still like Better Days dispite of it.

...Well, untill Fisk joined the super secret rogue intelegence angency that his dad really worked for...  But I guess he could only hold out so long before tossing in the undenyable furry Mary Sue senseless plot clusterfuck that most all furry webcomics do.

Now I just wish he'd shut up and work on New Worlds, cause that comic was actually pretty cool.