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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2016, 12:10:59 pm »
if i had mod i would have closed this thing right quick
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2016, 12:30:32 pm »
also capper i found your new av
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2016, 01:05:27 pm »
if i had mod i would have closed this thing right quick

Why? I'm not being jokey or factious : I was responding to posts ITT in good faith, and I think it's showing bad faith to dismiss everything with demands for the mods to rush in and lock a thread, as if this were the FA forums. It's trying to prevent discussion and poison the well. :<


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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2016, 01:11:42 pm »
You say the word 'people', but the OP of that e621 thread was just one person and she appointed herself to speak for all trans people by using terms like 'we', when she has no right to do so.

Do you need some sort of signed memo from the International Gender Council before youll believe any of this?

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Furthermore, that 1 in 12 figure is false and debunked here with extensive research and references:

The website says: Trans people are dispraportionaly murdered and that most of the violence is unreported. Its conclusion is that they just cant find a source on the 1 in 12 statistic, but that rate is no doubt exceptionally high. How is that "debunking?" Even if the number is really 1 in 50 or 100, that isnt exactly the point anyone is trying to make.

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So we suddenly go from furry porn to death threats, but of course that OP provided no further context or support, she simply asserted that claim and expected to be able to use it as a bludgeon against others.

Youve been in this subculture how many years now? You know that people identify with their avatars and see them as extensions of themselves. It isnt a logical leap for them to see the way people act toward these things and then see themselves and their real world experiences reflected in that.

And it aint like these terms are exclusive to furry. My partner is trans, they get called this shit in real life.
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2016, 01:21:46 pm »
if i had mod i would have closed this thing right quick

Why? I'm not being jokey or factious : I was responding to posts ITT in good faith, and I think it's showing bad faith to dismiss everything with demands for the mods to rush in and lock a thread, as if this were the FA forums. It's trying to prevent discussion and poison the well. :<
The well was poisoned nearly a decade ago, and every consequence of that has since played out. There is not one thing you or me or anyone who posts here can do about it.

I want this thread closed because idiots arguing back and forth about gender identity is the single most vicious, heated, shrill, and nasty debate you can find on the internet today. It helps nobody. It accomplishes nothing.

If I could choose between forum tumbleweeds and opening up the literal fucking gates of literal fucking hell, I'd choose the tumbleweeds.
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2016, 02:38:51 pm »
I think it illustrates the problematic and flawed nature of the idea that we must censor terms used for furry porn, that justification for it in the argument you made is a false link between terms used to describe furry porn and murders, and then a pre-emptive declare that anyone who disagrees must be a bigot or an arsehole.

I don't even know you and yet I already lurrrrve you, an hoopoe. Anyway, I get that in REAL LIFE maybe these words which are used in, and were thought up in furry fandom to describe fictional characters who are ~born~ with certain mixed features of the sexes -- do get used by perps when they bash a trans person. But at the same time... how many memes circulate with some variation of the word "fag" or "faggotry?" ie: the rainbow colored tree with the caption "what is this faggot-tree?" or the trend of attatching -fag onto the end of things one does not like, like "church-fag" or "christ-fag" or "bible-fag" -- all three terms I actually am quite fond of, even though I am a homosexual. I don't see it as "a problematic use of slurs" I see it as a reclaiming of terms. I see it as reverse engineering the enemy's weapon.

And even if I complained at the people who use those "faggotry" memes, what good would it do? Do you think if I go to them and scream-type "HAY GUIZ, DON'T USE THESE TERMS, THESE ARE THE TERMS THAT HOMOPHOBES SCREAM AT US WHEN THEY'RE KILLING US!!!!11" they will listen? Newp! The internet isn't going to cater to my feelings, I learned that a long time ago. The ~world~ isn't going to cater to my feelings either. So you either do one of two things - complain and attempt to force people to not use those terms, which is a losing battle in itself - ORRRRRRR you learn to deal with it, reclaim the terms and own them. "Fuck yeah I'm a fuckin' faggity furfag homo, but at least I ain't a churchfag, amirite?" :p

Develop a sense of irony,  a sense of humor, a thicker skin. Learn to use self-deprecating humor, learn to mock yourself and the fandoms you are a part of and don't take yourself and your fandom super seriously --> these are the ways of doing things that has allowed us to either mingle with 4chan-types (trolls / furry dislikers - I don't say hate because I doubt they actually do hate us enough to want us dead) or stay off of their radar. I mean... Why else does Vivisector even exist? Is it not a space for self-aware furries to make fun of other furries and feel better because they don't take the fandom as super srs biznis? You can go ahead and have your little language police crusade... And sure, you can win against a few who can be emotionally persuaded, but the entire internet and the entire real world is not going to play mommy to us and kiss our boo-boos.

As for the "you disagree with me, therefore you are a bigot" logic.
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2016, 02:52:38 pm »
Youve been in this subculture how many years now? You know that people identify with their avatars and see them as extensions of themselves. It isnt a logical leap for them to see the way people act toward these things and then see themselves and their real world experiences reflected in that.

And it aint like these terms are exclusive to furry. My partner is trans, they get called this shit in real life.

I just noticed something interesting. Anarcho, you do not use apostrophes in your contractions. Like, ever. And also interesting... neither does GDelscribe in that thread. Maybe since you both have this quirk in the way you type, I should accuse you of actually being GDelscribe the way you accuse me of being a bigot?

Or maybe you both use smartphones to type, and you're too lazy to flip to the other set of characters in the phone's keyboard, that's probably the more likely explanation.

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2016, 03:29:20 pm »
And with what is possibly the worst post ever made on Vivisector, I'm calling time.
What if the pentagon has stored lost data of porn and yiff in it's data, has anyone over there saved about millions of porn data and art in it's computer drive? tell me more about the facts what they have in your opinions!