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SJW cry-bullies e621.
« on: July 07, 2016, 11:48:57 am »
The thread starts out pretty "meh" but gets more entertaining around the 7th page or so, when the non-SJW furries start resisting the OP's efforts.

https://e621.net/forum/show/195804?page=1 - boring stage.

The OP wants the established terms "cuntboy" and "dickgirl" to be done away with because it's transphobic or something... oh, and so is futanari apparently.


https://e621.net/forum/show/195804?page=7 - lulzy chemo stage.

A good portion of users react unfavorably towards the few users who seek to bring about this change. Disagreeing is "triggering" and having jokey language is "personally attacking the OP."

Do you perhaps remember a time when e621 actually had a sense of humor? Well that time is gone now and the PC Police now have heavy influence on the once fun community of e6.

Nothing is safe from the easter egg hunt for triggers that is SocJus.
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2016, 06:43:13 pm »
heil trump amirite
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2016, 07:34:21 pm »
The thread starts out pretty "meh" but gets more entertaining around the 7th page or so, when the non-SJW furries start resisting the OP's efforts.

Were you one of those two who were banned over this and decided to come complain here? There were plenty of people disagreeing with the real/perceived SJW types who were not threatened or banned. The two who did get banned were bloody imbeciles and trolls about the whole thing.

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2016, 09:14:49 pm »
I would have thought a place like Vivisector would understand as well as / better than any - the difference between disagreement and "harrasment." This recent trend towards double-speak, language policing, and being "triggered" easily by everything under the sun is most disturbing. Isn't this place about humor? About having a thick skin? I mean, this is after all, a forum dedicated to pointing out the more silly and lulz-worthy aspects of the furry "community."

Has the SocJus virus infected Vivisector as well? Will threads need watered down language and trigger warnings? Will 4chan and PoE also begin adopting SocJus-inspired Code of Conduct?

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2016, 10:01:28 pm »
maybe you should have lurked moar, as i believe you kids say on the 4chan. maybe you should have lurked forever??

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2016, 02:20:32 am »
Has the SocJus virus infected Vivisector as well? Will threads need watered down language and trigger warnings? Will 4chan and PoE also begin adopting SocJus-inspired Code of Conduct?
that'd be pretty difficult since portal of evil shut down in 2011
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2016, 10:46:54 am »
OP, /pol/ is that way ------->

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2016, 02:34:02 pm »
Yeah, you have to be waaay more subtle about your contempt for people's identities and social justice type issues. Try studying an hoopoe's stuff and then tryhard later.
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2016, 11:28:36 am »
I would have thought a place like Vivisector would understand as well as / better than any - the difference between disagreement and "harassment." This recent trend towards double-speak, language policing, and being "triggered" easily by everything under the sun is most disturbing.

I think this is an interesting point, especially considering that this very forum has a lengthy thread about D.C Simpson, a male-to-trans person, and it is noticeable looking at that thread of several years ago that people in the furry subculture were much more open minded and questioning with respect to trans and identity politics issues, than they are now. As Rodox Video has mentioned, identity politics issues have become one of the most toxic and divisive issues in internet discussion and communities today.

With respect to the thread on e621, something which I think is bad is that the person who made the thread claims to speak for all trans people everywhere and arbitrarily declares the words cuntboy and dickgirl to be slurs and uses a non-sequitur like claiming that we have to stop using those words because it's the year 2016. She also conflates real life trans people with furry porn drawings which I think is especially dishonest.

I think it is right to be skeptical of individuals who claim to speak for all members of a group, and who dishonestly conflate real life people with drawn pictures of anthro animals.

I also think that it's unfair to accuse The_Capper of being from a particular website and/or that he should go back there, because AFAICS, he has posted here in good faith and telling people to go back to a particular website is a further expression of and re-enforcement of divisiveness because it is treating someone as a member of some nebulous enemy group as opposed to an individual with who something can be discussed in good faith.

Furthermore, even if someone does use some particular website that you yourself have a dislike of,  users of a website can have a varied spectrum of opinions and are individuals as well as members of a community.
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2016, 03:12:50 pm »
So  are you going to go with the hashtag notallchanners or allwebsitesmatter?

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2016, 04:02:47 pm »
So  are you going to go with the hashtag notallchanners or allwebsitesmatter?

I don't understand what you mean : I think that dismissing what people say on the notional basis that they might, or do, use some website isn't a good way to discuss things. It creates an divisive atmosphere where people wait to pounce on each other, and people cannot express their real opinions or thoughts because self-appointed policeman of words and thoughts might berate them and try to summon a dogpile.

In fact, I think it segues back into the issues raised by this person on e621 who wanted certain words censored because she found them offensive. It comes back to identity politics, where membership of certain groups becomes all important and one groups people into e.g "people who use <website>" regardless of how truthful or appropriate it is to label and dismiss people in such a fashion.

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2016, 04:24:28 pm »
Thank you, an hoopoe.

I would also like to point out that when Green Reaper chimed in with an opinion that didn't fit the thread's narrative, he was immediately met with a reply that amounted to "you better shut up, or you might end up like the other dissenters!" G.R. wasn't even saying anything that could remotely be interpreted as trolling. The people posting in that topic, the SJW-ey ones at least, are conflating having a different opinion to "being a troll." It seems that this kind of reaction is used deliberately in order to make sure that any opposing voice gets vilified and thus either ignored or punished.

https://e621.net/forum/show/195804?page=15

This is the kind of "walking on eggshells" society we are setting ourselves up for when we allow the Language Police to profile people based on words the same way the IRL police profile people based on the level of eumelanin in their epidermis and how the electromagnetic spectrum of light reflects from that epidermis.

Also "heil trump, amirite" assumes that it is only Trump supporters who have an issue with the "safe space" generation... as if Bernie supporters couldn't also have an issue with the SJW culture. It's a convenient "lump-in" that invalidates whatever I am saying... like if I were to approach a christian and make a jab about them being buddies with or idolizers of WBC. They could be regular, normal surface-level christians who don't completely hate gay people and want us all to die, but since I simply just don't like religious folks, I'll just pair them up with a known extremist group to invalidate them and whatever they are saying.

Heil Führer Fred, amirite?

I think this is an interesting point, especially considering that this very forum has a lengthy thread about D.C. Simpson...

https://forums.vivisector.org/index.php?topic=105.20

Srsly though... e621 use to have a sense of humor.
https://e621.net/post/show/111097/canine-comic-dc_simpson-dog-female-mammal-rainedog
Nowdays, most of the people cracking jokes in the comment section would be neg'd or banned.
Of course, those comical comments were typed 5 years ago... and now, IT'S 2016 PPL.

I'm honestly surprised any of these are still up, utterly shocked that Dana Simpson didn't go directly to the e621 mods and demand that all of this kind of content of theirs be taken down in order to preserve their "image." All the links from the other thread on Vivisector about this artist all say "404, page not found" (of course, that thread is also from 2009) so they've obviously gone on an art purge. Perhaps they forgot that e6 still has these images hosted...
« Last Edit: July 09, 2016, 05:25:48 pm by The_Capper »

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2016, 06:59:31 pm »
Joe Blow: I love me tranny dickgirls.

Trans Person: Please dont say that. People shout these things at us while killing or exploiting us.

Joe Blow: STOP OPPRESSING ME *fapfapfap*
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2016, 09:52:34 pm »
I love me >some< .... I love me >some< tranny dick-girls.

And isn't context important at all? I mean, yes "faggot" is a word that is generally taken offense to, but I don't feel the need to take offense unless the person using this word is saying it in anger, not in jest, and they actually have a weapon aimed at me. Otherwise, I don't feel like words or language should be policed... I don't ~like~ WBC, and I don't ~like~ Trump, but I don't think either should be harmed because they said something dumb.

Call that willingness to support other people's freedom of speech "internalized homophobia" if you like, or "trying to appease the toxic masculinity culture" or that I am somehow stockholm'd into how I think about language by the big bad evil straight folks so I can be a "good puppet for massa" lol... it isn't that I am trying to "kiss straightie's ass" - it's that I would rather shrug off mere words as per the old "sticks and stones" adage.
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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2016, 02:22:46 am »
Who... who are you even quoting? I can't see anyone in this thread saying a quarter of the things you're saying they're saying.

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2016, 02:34:59 am »
Maybe I am not talking about people on Viv in this thread...
But then, maybe I just have shell shock from SJWs and I just expect certain things.

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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2016, 06:15:28 am »
There used to be a similar movement on Weasyl a year or two ago, when someone was trying to strongarm the site's SJWs into policing the site content and demanding from anyone who tags their art with "herm", "cuntboy" or "shemale" to change the tags because "those are slurs used to demean and oppress trans people". Despite "herm" being a shortened version of "hermaphrodite", term that has been used to describe any biological lifeform with both sexes, for a very long time without any negative connotation whatsoever. But nope, they insist that is incorrect and that it is an incredibly harmful, malicious term and insist it was always used in a negative way. Because fuck the science and biology, amirite?

It's just a group of people constantly looking for something to be offended about, nothing more, nothing less.

Also, NotMeNotYou buckled down to the demands pretty quickly, god damn.

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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2016, 10:09:08 am »
You have people in a minority group, a minority group where 1 in 12 are murdered mind you, coming to you and saying "please dont say that, I find it offensive." They aint even telling you to stop jerkin it to the porn. Yet you insist on continuing to do it. I can only figure its because youre either a bigot or an asshole. So its really, really funny to me when you come here, crying about people not giving you ass pats for being an insensitive fuck.

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Despite "herm" being a shortened version of "hermaphrodite", term that has been used to describe any biological lifeform with both sexes, for a very long time without any negative connotation whatsoever.

My middle school biology text book 20 years ago used "intersex" when refering to actual people. Im pretty sure the majority of modern doctors and scientists havent used "hermaphridite" in respect to people about as long as they havent used "mongoloid"
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2016, 11:38:49 am »
You have people in a minority group, a minority group where 1 in 12 are murdered mind you, coming to you and saying "please dont say that, I find it offensive." They aint even telling you to stop jerkin it to the porn. Yet you insist on continuing to do it. I can only figure its because youre either a bigot or an asshole.

You say the word 'people', but the OP of that e621 thread was just one person and she appointed herself to speak for all trans people by using terms like 'we', when she has no right to do so. The mere fact of being a member of some minority group does not automatically mean one can speak for/represent that entire group.

Furthermore, that 1 in 12 figure is false was debunked 4 years ago with extensive research and references:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2012/05/murder-statistics-of-transgender-people/

I think it illustrates the problematic and flawed nature of the idea that we must censor terms used for furry porn, that justification for it in the argument you made is a false link between terms used to describe furry porn and murders, and then a pre-emptive declare that anyone who disagrees must be a bigot or an arsehole.

I noticed that in the thread on e621 a similar attempt to frame this thing as being about the murder of transsexuals was made : on p15 of it the OP claimed that

'People irl who are trans etc have had these tags thrown at them with death threats and other insults in tow.'

So we suddenly go from furry porn to death threats, but of course that OP provided no further context or support, she simply asserted that claim and expected to be able to use it as a bludgeon against others.

When people invoke the specter of murder to justify censoring words used to refer to furry porn it is beyond ridiculous and a bit disrespectful to real murder victims IMO.

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Re: SJW cry-bullies e621.
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2016, 11:52:22 am »
Someone put this thread out of its misery.

The poor thing's suffering.