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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2010, 01:59:54 am »
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2010, 06:17:06 am »
Jude Prudence argues that Zaush is mentally ill:

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There is only about a single degree that separates what Adam Wan did to ferality and actual rape. Barely any distinction need even be made in the circumstances and events that've come to light in recent memory and I find myself conflicted in even stating this, because I know what it sounds like. Rest assured, I find Zaush's actions as disgusting as you do. I was appalled as much as you were when the screencap of ferality's note first surfaced on /furi/. There is no excuse for this. There need to be atonement. And while I may disagree with many that Zaush's act does not constitute rape, I am entirely certain that he is capable of it. And while there may not be an excuse for Adam Wan's behavior, there is a reason. He is quite literally a clear cut case of sociopathy:

*Manipulative and Conning. Never recognizing the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

*Grandiose Sense of Self. Feels entitled to certain things as "their right".

*Pathological Lying. Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.

*Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt. A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

*Need for Stimulation. Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
*Callousness & Lack of Empathy. Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

*Poor Behavioural Controls IE Impulsive nature. Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

*Irresponsibility and Unreliability. Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

*Promiscuous Sexual Behaviour and Infidelity. Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

*Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility. Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Look at Adam Wan's behaviour as described in ferality's notes. Look at his reactions on twitter. His commentary on his FurAffinity journal. The content of Adam Wan's pornography involving him and women in general. The man selects women that are emotionally unable to continue denying and refusing him, whether or not he makes a conscious or unconscious effort in doing so. Justifies his actions as that of an open lifestyle superior to what he determines to be outdated monogamy and that sex and love can be separate from each other. The literal need for sexual gratification, and on his terms, and the entitlement that he feels to receiving it whenever he wants. The ability of this man to grope or fondle someone regardless of (And often in spite of) being turned turned down or rejected. The perpetual headgames and indirect coercion he plays to force consent out of a partner. His obvious inability to control or handle (or even acknowledge) his problems, and automatically projects the blame on someone else. The utter lack of empathy or understanding for the feelings and emotions of his victims, perhaps to the point of not consciously recognizing their emotional or mental state. The complete, total, blinding narcissism. His attempts at downplaying what he did in late december 09 / january this year to ferality and (Possibly) falsifying chatlogs to bolster his defence from the accusations against him. There are so many examples to choose from.

And to think, one of his earliest works was of a stalker depicted as an antagonist, beaten to a pulp by his victim's boyfriend.

The person's marital & relationship status does not matter to him and has, repeatedly, attempted to sabotage or destroy relationships he saw as being in his way. He attempted it on lilBlooWolf and may've been successful on occasions after her ( Ferality?). He has likely done to this to far more women than we currently know about. I have very good hunches as to whom they may be, but I am not going to share their identities.

I believe in calling things by their rightful name, and I call Adam Wan sick. Not as an insult; Not to belittle him; but to clearly label the man as mentally ill and a danger to others. and even if you disagree with the idea that Zaush is a sociopath; that he's a case of Antisocial Personality Disorder: You cannot deny that he isn't an emotional shut in, and that he does not grasp the concept of a simple, easy to understand two letter word like the rest of us do. He has problems and instead of acknowledging or realizing them, takes them out on others. There is in all likelihood a chance that he's only aware of a half or a third of the things he does. Such is the nature of a mental disorder.

The man is not to be trusted nor admired nor defended. He does not need acceptance, but therapy. Psychiatric evaluation and treatment. And if you people that follow and listen to him had any ounce of consideration for him outside of your narrow world view through the furry community, you would not be showering him in blanket praise and consolation. If you cared about him, you would be telling him the truth. If you cared about Adam Wan outside of him as a furry porn production line, you wouldn't be serving as an echo chamber for his delusions. Adam Wan has little to no chance of finally grasping and understanding the severity of his acts and you only serve to further blind him from reality and the world outside of his head.

How many women is it going to take? He's already with another one.

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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2010, 11:19:03 am »
"twitlonger"? It is hilarious that the desire for a livejournal by regular twitter users was answered by just making twitter be livejournal.

As for Wan, I don't know if I like calling sociopathy. His behavior is unacceptable and labeling him with something like sociopathy without an actual physician's diagnosis is ~almost~ like justifying his behavior. Because he has a mental reason, see? He just can't help himself, the ~poor thing~.

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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2010, 11:42:52 am »
"twitlonger"? It is hilarious that the desire for a livejournal by regular twitter user's was answered by just making twitter be livejournal.

As for Wan, I don't know if I like calling sociopathy. His behavior is unacceptable and labeling him with something like sociopathy without an actual physician's diagnosis is ~almost~ like justifying his behavior. Because he has a mental reason, see? He just can't help himself, the ~poor thing~.

He can have a mental condition and still be a Twat regardless.
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2010, 11:46:39 am »
Yes, that is my point. It doesn't matter whether he actually has sociopathy or not he is a dumb who has been caught being a dumb.

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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2010, 12:07:22 pm »
Well, if you consider the people who exhibit characteristics of sociopathy and antisocial personality disorder—pretty much every serial killer ever as well as a lot of Wall Streeters and CEO types (you think I'm kidding, don't you)—the diagnosis becomes somewhat less of an excuse.

Just because it's in the DSM-IV doesn't mean anything about its acceptability.
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2010, 12:34:00 pm »
As for Wan, I don't know if I like calling sociopathy. His behavior is unacceptable and labeling him with something like sociopathy without an actual physician's diagnosis is ~almost~ like justifying his behavior. Because he has a mental reason, see? He just can't help himself, the ~poor thing~.

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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2010, 10:29:06 am »
I'm supremely pissed that Zaush/Adam Wan hasn't been banned from FA yet. He's already demonstrated to be a sexual preadator, preying on and manipulating vulnerable people. I just can't really believe that his popularity as a furry wank artist actually shields him to any degree whatsoever from this fact.

Don't they realize that the biggest problem with FA isn't their site security or their codebase, its the misdirected principles that exist there. If they would have dealt with these issues when they came up, they wouldn't have to deal with so much backlash, leaks or no. If they kicked out the cub-porn people when it went to a vote and the majority wanted them gone, they wouldn't have to look for another payment processor. If the admins just banned those zoos and Wan when proof of the allegations came to light, they wouldn't have to put up with the grief and the damage to FA's reputation as a whole. If that was done, the effects of the site hack and the leaks wouldn't have been nearly as bad.

It's not like the results of inaction on their part would have come as a surprise: That's a train anyone could have seen coming a mile away.



 

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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2010, 07:59:17 pm »
I'm beginning to think it might not be the best idea to ban ANYONE for off-site infractions. Instead, the best thing to do is to monitor potentially dangerous individuals. Freeze their accounts if you are given information about an arrest or possible police investigation, but don't ban merely to make a symbolic punitive gesture.

Yes this is a total 180 from previous rhetoric, but fuck it. SomethingAwful banned for off-site shit, still does it, and is a gigantic clusterfuck for it. And it's plain as day that FA tried to do this half-assedly to make as many people as possible happy and made absolutely nobody happy in the process.

As for letting Wan run amok though, I don't know. There could be a decent reason for it if you think about it, but I'm not sure if the FA administration is smart enough to think of it.
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2010, 11:29:12 pm »
Maybe I went off half-cocked on the Zaush/Adam Wan thing. It's possible that maybe some accusations were blown out of proportion. With that, I should have just kept my mouth shut on the matter. I'll just chalk it up to the constant frustration of being associated with the relentless, mind-numbing parade of stupidity and grossness within our beloved fandom. Sometimes I just need to vent.

You're probably right over not banning people straight-off. I could see it happening that an admin would end up banning someone just because they pissed off a group or some popular folk. 

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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2010, 12:08:34 am »
I wouldn't say the accusations regarding Z-dogg have been blown out of proportion. His personality and actions cartoonishly match that of the average low-level sexual predator; he's like something that fell out of a shitty cop show.

Unless his victim(s) can bring a case forward, the only real way to stop him is to keep a very close eye on him.
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2010, 12:34:47 am »
The sad part is that what he is accused of is pretty much on the level of what Assange is accused of in Sweden. The Swedes have very strong rape laws where you can't even emotionally force someone of the opposite (or same!) sex to have sex with you; it's a form of rape but not as serious as the extremely violent kind (rape then murder) or the type where the attacker uses physical coercion but doesn't involve significant amounts of violence. Regardless, it's still rape because you used a non-physical form of intimidation to force or attempt to force someone to have sex with you.

The ass-kissing in that thread is fucking unbelievable, someday I hope he fucks up and gets caught~ :I

What's funny about Assange is that lately he's been pulling an Adam Wan of his very own:

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‘One of the women has written many articles on taking revenge against men for infidelity and is a notorious radical feminist,’ he said.
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I fell into a hornets' nest of revolutionary feminism.

So: possibility A is that he really did what he was accused of and is an asshole, or possibility B is that he is a victim of one of the oldest dirty tricks in the book (and is still an asshole). Either way, he's an asshole. See how that works?
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2010, 12:49:06 am »
I wouldn't say the accusations regarding Z-dogg have been blown out of proportion. His personality and actions cartoonishly match that of the average low-level sexual predator; he's like something that fell out of a shitty cop show.

Unless his victim(s) can bring a case forward, the only real way to stop him is to keep a very close eye on him.

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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2010, 12:36:35 pm »
What's funny about Assange is that lately he's been pulling an Adam Wan of his very own:

He's a dork with social problems and a huge case of unwarranted self-importance. If he hadn't actually done anything with his life, he'd be the perfect furry.
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2011, 09:33:49 pm »
Recent YouTube activity.

He's a dork with social problems and a huge case of unwarranted self-importance. If he hadn't actually done anything with his life, he'd be the perfect furry.

He may even have something of a reason for being a massive fucking creep.
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2011, 07:49:28 am »
"twitlonger"? It is hilarious that the desire for a livejournal by regular twitter users was answered by just making twitter be livejournal.

As for Wan, I don't know if I like calling sociopathy. His behavior is unacceptable and labeling him with something like sociopathy without an actual physician's diagnosis is ~almost~ like justifying his behavior. Because he has a mental reason, see? He just can't help himself, the ~poor thing~.

It is a reason. Not an excuse. Not a justification.

There was this god awful fucking news story I read on FAF awhile back. A meth headed father literally chewed the eyes out of his little boy. The neighbors later found him with an axe, chopping his own leg off while screaming to Jesus.

Was the meth an excuse for literally trying to eat his own flesh & blood's face off? No. It never could be. Never in a thousand years.

Would this man had done it regardless of whether he was under the influence of a crazed meth-induced stupor?



Regardless of how incredibly stupid, obsessed and batshit psychotic I have become over this Zaush bullshit and how fucking wrong I was, it was a reason. A possibility of a reason.
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2011, 12:58:52 pm »
That is why I said almost. Of course it isn't a justification or an excuse, but due to how mental issues are seen by a large amount of people, it will undoubtedly make it a little more "okay" to them, as dumb as that sounds. I just want to avoid giving people any possible reason to look at it in an "okay" light.

Also, what were you wrong about? Do tell

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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2011, 02:40:59 pm »
There was this god awful fucking news story I read on FAF awhile back.

What the fuck is wrong with someone that they'd post that...on FAF. I mean, that's atrocity tourism. Jesus christ.
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2011, 06:56:54 pm »
There was this god awful fucking news story I read on FAF awhile back.

What the fuck is wrong with someone that they'd post that...on FAF. I mean, that's atrocity tourism. Jesus christ.

I saw it differently, back then. So much of the godless tripe on FAF read to me like "Hey, let's look at how sorry and godless these miserable pieces of shit are. Let's talk about how much better we are. Let's juxtapose on the moral high ground while describing how horrific and painful and gruesome the rest of their lives should be, and however long or short they should be, and with utter sadomasochistic glee. Then let's argue about who's being soft on them."

But of course, I was wrong.


Also, what were you wrong about? Do tell

Everything.

I am a fucking idiot. All those hours and days spent losing my head over and obsessing on all of them for their antics and the shit they caused and got themselves into. Foxer421. Zaush. Kibble. Dackstrus. Itomic. Fenrabbit. Blazger. Paiseley. Clayton. And so many more that I can't remember now. I have stalked and harrassed all of them. Hours and hours spent cross referencing information; Consulting law enforcement and lawyer acquaintances; Contacting them directly and everyone involved in whatever shit they got in; Collecting real life information and docs; Giving and constantly revising psychological assessments; Figuring out what was bullshit and what wasn't. All of it.


I have forgotten so much fucking more than FD_2, /furi/, or the now defunct WYS will ever learn. But it was all worth nothing. Fucking. Nothing.


I was wrong about every last damned thing, and even if by coincidence, I was right: I was still in the wrong. Stalking. Harrassing. That's all I ever did to Zaush. To his friends. To Ferality, and her friends. And all the victims she named of his. And Keovi. And Cinnemon. Everyone Zaush or Ferality even barely knew, or was named. It's exactly the same thing I did to Dackstrus. To everyone he knew. The same thing I did to foxer421. And Blazger, and Angelo. All of them. It's what I've done to all of them and so many fucking more. Stalking. Harrassing. That's all I ever did. And from it, I learned and accomplished nothing. All that shit I deluded myself into thinking was research and investigation and analysis was nothing more than stalking and harrassing and I achieved nothing.


I was wrong about them, I was wrong to go the lengthes I did, wrong for letting stupid, petty, miserable furry bullshit get to me and I was wrong about Clayton. So fucking wrong.


I was wrong about everything, and I am a stupid fucking idiot. And regardless of anything, I do not want to care about this shit anymore.


Why didn't I make a fool of myself on /furi/ sooner? Why didn't I get it over with sooner?


God damn me.
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Re: so about this Zaush guy
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2011, 03:13:52 am »
This is going to sound mean but

I'm sorry I asked.

You have way too much baggage to post about that nobody on here is really going to care about, you should probably save it to unload on your caring friends.