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FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« on: November 21, 2010, 05:06:16 pm »
I saw this floating around the internet earlier today. The shape of things to come, a fake, or misdirection?

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 05:43:17 pm »
She has all the subtlety of a Mack truck. I'll bet she doesn't even think she's leaking anything either.
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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 06:49:50 pm »
Potential major changes to FA's AUP are first publicly disclosed in a random livejournal comment provided you look at the bold letters. I'm glad the FA staff is so transparent.
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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 07:28:43 pm »
Well, the fact that it's a random LJ comment aside, it is pretty fuckin' transparent. The thing that gets me is that she acts like she's being subtle, but Christ, you'd have to have the IQ of a potato not to pick up on the "hint".
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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2010, 07:29:47 pm »
Potential major changes to FA's AUP are first publicly disclosed in a random livejournal comment provided you look at the bold letters. I'm glad the FA staff is so transparent.

Earlier on LJ, like a few weeks ago Dragoneer said the cub thing was being looked into as well.  Though he didn't quite announce which way it would go and how far.

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2010, 07:35:36 pm »
And already we have Dragoneer trying to silence the masses. I think "petitions" for stuff like this are pretty pointless, but deleting them and saying "DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT!!!" isn't the right way to be dealing with this.

He needs to stop sitting on his ass trying to cover this up and just spill the details already. And if he's upset that he has to do that, then he should take it out by firing Witchiebunny, who obviously can't keep her mouth shut.

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2010, 08:31:24 pm »
And already we have Dragoneer trying to silence the masses. I think "petitions" for stuff like this are pretty pointless, but deleting them and saying "DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT!!!" isn't the right way to be dealing with this.

He needs to stop sitting on his ass trying to cover this up and just spill the details already. And if he's upset that he has to do that, then he should take it out by firing Witchiebunny, who obviously can't keep her mouth shut.

We'd have seen his capacity to do that the minute Pinkuh loses her admin rights.

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 09:04:01 pm »
They won't make the symbolic gesture of banning the (now abandoned) Crassus account (just like they won't make the symbolic gesture of banning certain other abandoned accounts), and they want to finally ban cub porn or whatever?

I don't buy it. There's certainly a lot of pressure coming from the utter-garbage crowd, but they're afraid to actually do it. The backlash would be more damaging than they're comfortable with, and actually enforcing the policy at this point would be something of a logistical nightmare.
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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2010, 09:07:31 pm »
actually enforcing the policy at this point would be something of a logistical nightmare.
More likely, what would happen is that random users would be randomly banned for random reasons. Basically, no significant logistical change would be necessary! The AUP is already a meaningless collection of words; changing what those words are won't change that fact.
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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 09:08:33 pm »
And already we have Dragoneer trying to silence the masses. I think "petitions" for stuff like this are pretty pointless, but deleting them and saying "DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT!!!" isn't the right way to be dealing with this.

He needs to stop sitting on his ass trying to cover this up and just spill the details already. And if he's upset that he has to do that, then he should take it out by firing Witchiebunny, who obviously can't keep her mouth shut.

We'd have seen his capacity to do that the minute Pinkuh loses her admin rights.

Well, as of right now Witchie's been "suspended". So she'll have to go sit in the corner and think about what she's done before Dragoneer apologizes for "overreacting" later this week.

She should just resign if she's so against the ban. But no, that would mean she'd give up that precious Admin e-badge and would once again have no relevance in the fandom.

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 11:17:47 pm »
Any form of real content control would be impossible, and it's hilarious to see them try.
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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2010, 12:48:22 am »
On #fa IRC a bit ago.

[03:41:29]   <[REDACTED]>   hi Dragoneer. do you have a moment to discuss the rumored AUP changes? :)
[03:41:42]   <Dragoneer[AFK]>   [REDACTED]: Certainly don't!
[03:41:49]   <Dragoneer[AFK]>   I'm not discussing any changes until they're public. =3

This would seem to confirm that there are changes to come.

Edit:

From an anonymous informant engaged in a PM:

11:02 <Dragoneer[AFK]> We're doing an AUP update regardless.
11:05 <Dragoneer[AFK]> Tuesday/Wednesday

Also this:
10:49 <Dragoneer[AFK]> I'll put it to you this way: what affected FA directly affects a few other sites, too

The past tense there could indicate legal issues of some kind, perhaps surrounding the new EU laws against simulated child porn.

Edit 2:

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1772/morefadrama.png

More support for the Europe theory in the first paragraph.

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2010, 04:02:29 am »
Here's the live journal entry where Witchiebunny originally made the comments:

http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/395754.html?thread=13170666#t13170666

Well, as of right now Witchie's been "suspended".

She loses her @ for a few days.

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It's all grandstanding: "I'd feel bad if I didn't get punished!", "I asked for this suspension" (in the comments) IMO. If you can't wiggle out of responsibility then you can at least flagellate yourself.
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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2010, 05:29:03 am »
While there are complaints about Witchiebunny, she was one of the few admins that ever did anything even close to her actual JOB as an admin.  So now, once agian, FA had a slew of admins and all of which do fuck all on a regular basis.

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2010, 06:00:27 am »
While there are complaints about Witchiebunny, she was one of the few admins that ever did anything even close to her actual JOB as an admin. 

The problem is what doing the "actual job as an admin" involves...

Sins of commission vs. sins of omission I guess.

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2010, 08:40:10 am »
Awesome.  Now all the people who like jerking it to prepubescent penises can get all up in arms and get the administration to reverse the policy out of fear of revolt again.
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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2010, 09:36:13 am »
Awesome.  Now all the people who like jerking it to prepubescent penises can get all up in arms and get the administration to reverse the policy out of fear of revolt again.

That's pretty much what I've been predicting.  OTOH, wasn't that new-ish art site founded/run by a known pedo?  I'd find it highly amusing if they attempt to lure away all the banned manchildren with promises of candy in their van...er, cub porn on their site.

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2010, 10:45:13 am »
I wonder how much of the impetus for these changes comes from Dragoneer somehow getting the idea, either from a good authority (his ISP) or not (Internet e-lawyers), that if he didn't do something his "retirement security" might be at risk. Because lord knows if that man doesn't have to do something, he won't.

Anyway, this is another one of those situations, as is pretty much any situation involving Dragoneer, where you root for both sides to die in a horrible fiery car crash and raise the average IQ of the world a couple of points.
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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2010, 11:55:57 am »
Awesome.  Now all the people who like jerking it to prepubescent penises can get all up in arms and get the administration to reverse the policy out of fear of revolt again.

One of them briefly tried it earlier, submitting this petition on FA : http://i55.tinypic.com/2d781lw.png which demands people leave comments on it in such quantities so as to make the FA servers crash.

However it, and reposts of it were swiftly removed and journals deleted etc etc.

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Re: FA Banning Cub Porn Again?
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2010, 12:46:40 pm »
I wonder how much of the impetus for these changes comes from Dragoneer somehow getting the idea, either from a good authority (his ISP)

I'm thinking all the Allan drama recently has put him on thin ice with their ISP. A couple "Child porn on the servers" complaints would probably get them kicked out. Kinda like the whole e621 thing from a while back. OH KARMA.