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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2010, 07:34:42 pm »
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1739319/

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excuse me I believe this is a drunken airplane trip not a drunken power trip

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2010, 11:00:38 pm »
Vivisector; 2 blogs, we report!

Kage totally gets off on being being told he's selfless. He rationalized his generosity as an expression of guilt over a fetish that's basically 9/11 in giant wolf form. However, he used to have a livejournal account, in character as Rogue where he basically used LJ cuts like "I found a family in distress so I ate them" and then goes on to "...no I actually called a tow for them, helped them learn English and midwived their first born son." stuff just for the comment stoking. When he's not doing that for himself, his friends do it.

I don't know what's worse, being a narcissist while generous, or doing so while convincing yourself you're doing out of a guilt trip.
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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2010, 12:32:00 pm »
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It seems that this journal has provoked a reponse from Dragoneer which may prove embarassing for Kage and 2.

On furrydrama_2, an entry was made about that journal. Princess Piche turned up to huff and puff on it, since he dislikes Kage. During the course of this, he revealed the alledged reasons for his hate for Kage  (And Giza too, of course, we must remember that this is Dragoneer's side of the story):

Quote from: Dragoneer
Giza was angry at me because I called him out for cheating on Phil da Feline. Way back when, Giza and Phil da Feline were dating. Phil walked in on Giza sucking another guy's dick, they got into huge drama, fights ensued. A while later, they got back together... and at MFF, same shit happened together.

One day Phil came over to my place, crying, claiming Giza tried to take advantage of him... and I went ballistic. I started openly called Giza out via my LiveJournal for cheating on Phil, lying and being a general douchebag. I wasn't very mature about it, but given what happened... I didn't really care. We had a huge drama war, and Giza eventually went to Kage to ask Kage to "fix" his problem. Namely, get rid of me

So Kage did.

Kage defended Giza (and blindly at that), refused to even hear my side of the story, and Kage kept saying if he wanted to cheat on Phil then that was Giza's right. And he defended that. I called shenanigans, but Kage had already made up his mind before he even spoke to me. Because I stood up to Kage, I got "promoted" from convention operations to "sales guy" for the artist's alley. So I left. Basically, they knew I'd do that... and I have no regrets about it. I wasn't thrown off AC (and I have several FA staffers who will back me up on this), but if they want to look at that way then I guess by demoting me they kinda did. In the end, Kage defended Giza's right to cheat on Phil, and I left Anthrocon and ended up going to Fur Affinity. Giza still takes pot-shots at me every once and a while. He does not seem to have the ability to let bygones be bygones. Some of my friends on Anthrocon's staff send me logs and shit when he goes berserk over it. I posted a journal two years later saying I wasn't going to Anthrocon, I was bailing on the con... and Kage took that as me outright attacking on AC. For... some reason. Thing was: I was at risk of losing my apartment due to financial problems at the time (animators didn't get paid a lot) and couldn't afford the con. I put life ahead of furry. The last thing Kage ever said to me was "Welcome to my shitlist, asshole." Why? Because in that same journal some people called Anthrocon "Kagecon" in my LiveJournal.

And he detonated on me. This had nothing to do with Growly at all. Kage hasn't spoken to me since 2005. Even when we had stood in line next to each other for an hour to go to MFF in 2006, he wouldn't speak to me. Or even acknowledge I was there. It was cute.

http://community.livejournal.com/furrydrama_2/206125.html?thread=17044525#t17044525

Now, someone made a comment:

http://community.livejournal.com/furrydrama_2/206125.html?thread=17016621#t17016621

saying that they had lost their respect for 2 and Kage in the Jibba AID's drama of 2 years back: Jibba, a friend of 2's, was accused of knowingly spreading aids at a convention, the drama erupted on FA. Kage and 2 backed Jibba implicitly, saying he didn't have AIDS and some people accusing Jibba were permabanned. As 2 mentioned in a comment on one of his recent journals:

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1738047/#cid:14546316

It turns out Jibba does have AIDS (However that he knowingly spread it is still denied). Dragoneer replied to the FD_2 comment, these are the relevant comments from the thread:

Quote from: Dragoneer
But people got banned from FA over the Jibba drama. I went to 2 and others at the time to ask, and they said nope, he didn't. I ask all parties involved. But Jibba did have HIV, and all the drama and defenses were for naught.

2 and Jibba say the initial tests did come back negative, but HIV tests are 99.9% accurate if you have it. So if he infecting people the tests should have shown it, unless Jibba was that percent of a percent that doesn't show. And for that many months? Eh.

Quote from: Dragoneer
I was, but if you're to the point of infecting others it generally DOES show. I called and asked the local clinic. I don't know what to believe.

But as I told you, they should have cone out and updated people on it. They fought tooth and nail to tell everybody how WRONG they were, people got banned... but when they found out the truth... where was their voice then?

They had no problem accusing others, but when they were wrong over something so gravely serious....

Quote from: Dragoneer
And exactly what are we supposed to tell the people who were banned on 2's word?

"Sorry you got perma-banned. Nobody ever told us the real story."

Quote from: Dragoneer
Short of putting the blame on 2 and Jibba for not coming out with the truth, which I don't want to do... there's not.

Leave them banned. Or unban them, tell them what happened. Because if we just unban them with "you're un-permabanned. Sorry!" they're gonna wanna know why. And just saying "we were given the wrong information" When they know who the information came from...

It's a very fucked up position to be in.

I feel like I've failed as an admin over this. Falsely banning people is like one of my single greatest fears... and here it is.

In response to someone asking if Kage/2/Jibba were lying:

Quote from: Dragoneer
They weren't lying. They were just telling the truth based on what they knew at the time. But, when they found out the REAL truth, they never bothered to correct themselves or inform anybody.

Just kept it hidden

So Dragoneer ended up saying he was going to investigate the whole two year old drama very thoroughly. He posted this journal on his FA account about it:

Quote from: PrincessPiche
Taking admin action on issues is never an easy thing. Trust me when I say that the last thing you ever want to do is make a mistake or wrongful ban. To me, that's one of the worst things an admin could ever do.

That said, I always try to take the time to fully investigate the issues and make fully informed decisions based on the evidence at hand. And sometimes... that evidence changes.

So, with that, I will be open:
A particular indecent on FA occurred roughly two years ago involving Jibba, and we investigated the hell out of it. Inquired. Poked. Prodded. Got information from a variety of sources, and snooped for all information from those involved. We were given one set of information which, at the time, was accurate. That set of information, from a particularly credible source, was investigated and acted upon.

Over time... that source (and all sources involved) learned of a different outcome on their side. We were never informed of the different information which had arisen from this issue, and up until a week ago were operating based on the original knowledge we had at hand.

We know the entire story now.

Things changed.

However, several actions on FA's staff were (myself included) were made based on the original knowledge we had at the time. Because of this new information we've learned, I am getting database dumps of all notes and tickets involving the users in question, and I will be personally re-investigating any and all bans and admins actions made based on the circumstances of these actions.

I won't say that the actions we took weren't warranted. Maybe they all were. Maybe none were. But I am going back to re-investigate the issues, and re-examine the circumstances behind each action. Anybody found to have had action taken against them (so long as they were in the right)based on this issue will have said actions reversed.

Is this an issue for the site? Not entirely, but I want to be open all the same, because these issues are serious to me. Which is why I post this journal. We owe it to the community to investigate any issue of such nature, and be honest and fair.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1746996/

Jibba is friends with 2, 2 is friends with Kage. Both 2 and Kage backed up Jibba during the AIDS drama. By making a big public song and dance about this issue Dragoneer can get back at the person he hates: Kage, embarrassing him for his support for Jibba and silence on the matter after it was discovered Jibba really did have AIDS, and he can receive empty kudos for yet again confessing to failure and supposedly being open and apologetic about it. Posturing and preening all the way.

Edit:

further adding to my impression that it's all posturing and trying to embarass Kage/Anthrocon/etc Dragoneer edited his journal to say that no one will be unbanned:

Quote from: Princess Piche
EDIT: After several hundred notes, comments some trouble tickets, I have verified all bans were justified, but there were some issues. Several notes were sent out to users who had actions taken against them.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2010, 03:55:56 pm by a snow pigeon »

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2010, 02:06:39 pm »
Is there just some option where you don't pick a side, but hope for the worst for everyone involved? Cause that's pretty much how I feel regarding the rivalry between Dragoneer and Kage's crowd.
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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2010, 03:25:42 pm »
In regards to whole AIDS thing, you can point to this wonderful federal study that 1 in 5 gay men in 21 cities hardest hit by AIDS are HIV positive. :)

Wonder if Jibba is from any of those places?

Also: 63% of the HIV-positive men age 18-29 were unaware of their infection. <--- this fits right into the age group for furries  ;D

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2010, 04:35:25 pm »
Is there just some option where you don't pick a side, but hope for the worst for everyone involved?

That's pretty much the option I'm going with.
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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2011, 06:55:10 am »
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I take it that it is not fortuitous that I have seen other furries asking for money for various things (computers, trips, etc.) from other furries.  Hell, I even heard that some furry tried launching a lawsuit (more like lawlsuit in this case) to acquire the rights to some game (Battletech, I think) awhile back.

Not meaning to do threadmancy here, but that would be http://www.furaffinity.net/user/calbeck/ thats since been sorted out, lot of the head guys at CBT really had a wtf moment when he started that.

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2011, 09:22:13 am »
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God I wish I would have saved the logs for this because if I did it would have been gold.

Anyway, lets set the wayback machine to 2010. I didn't go to Anthrocon that year because well.. letsee. I didn't have a job at the time and I also have a house (which some furries don't have). And I also had this thing called responsibility (aka I can't drop everything to go to a con because I have a house, a mate and a dog).

But I digress. What had happened is I heard some horror stories coming out of AC  when people were telling me about the Dorsai. Now for those that don't know the Dorsai is a security staff that attends various conventions and provides security. Now are they a professionally trained staff like FLARE or something along that lines?

To my knowledge they're not. In fact they go ahead and do some of the most boneheaded things that I have seen. An example I am at AC 2007 for the first time and my mate and myself are sitting on this deck in the summer heat, in fursuits, waiting to have our picture taken. My mate says he's having problems breathing and he has to take his head off. He does so and gets barked at by a Dorsai to put it back on and HE gets barked at by KP (who's on staff) telling him I don't need someone going to the hospital because he can't breathe.. let him leave his head off!

So after that incident I decided to do a bit of fact finding on the Dorsai and got horror stories abounds. A friend of mine WAS with them and quit and told me why (basically he was tired of all the BS that they were doing and they were made out to be bullies instead of security staff).

So 2010 AC came and went and I heard problems from a few friends of mine and I snapped. I wrote a long letter saying that they need to get their shit together.  I also posted said letter to my LJ and FA account and people were coming out in droves AGREEING with me. I was gaining support and all this and this is where it all went south (and yes you can bash on me for this.. :/)

I log into furrymuck like I usually do.  And I immediately start getting pages from Kage (god I wish I had the logs for this) saying the first thing "you ought to be ashamed of yourself." And I asked him what I meant and he immediately starts going into this tirade of me attacking Anthrocon and it's staff and blah blah blah and all this other bullshit.

I also get pages from Xydexx (part of AC staff) and he's convincing me what Kage is trying to force me to do which was delete the journals and print a retraction. At one point Kage doesn't ask.. he DEMANDS my phone number. I tell him "Are you going to call me to yell at me?" and he keeps insisting me for my number and I basically told him "No. Fuck you. You're not getting my number!" But even tho Kage was yelling at me Xydexx was being nice to me and eventually I caved in and did what they asked.

Also didn't mention this just yet but I posted a bit of a journal that Firestorm Six posted about how his friend had a run in the Dorsai. Kage found this guys number and raked him over the coals for god knows how long.

But I was bitter and I had to tell him off. So this WAS the log I kept:

page kagemushi = It saddens me but it's come to this. We are done, Kage.
You page, "It saddens me but it's come to this. We are done, Kage." to Kagemushi.
Kagemushi pages, "As you wish." to you.
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page =No, it's not my wish. You just won't listen to a word i've said. I tried to make points and it either has you flying off the handle and going after friends of mine or you just dismissing it as I am crazy or emo or something else. Mark my words, kage. The Dorsai HAVE to be policed and if they're remained unchecked someone is going to get hurt.. or WORSE.
You page, "No, it's not my wish. You just won't listen to a word i've said. I tried to make points and it either has you flying off the handle and going after friends of mine or you just dismissing it as I am crazy or emo or something else. Mark my words, kage. The Dorsai HAVE to be policed and if they're remained unchecked someone is going to get hurt.. or WORSE." to Kagemushi.
Kagemushi pages, "and I am going to tell you this just once.  The Dorsai are not out of control.  The Dorsai do not need to be reined in.  The Dorsai are not a threat to anyone.  They've been doing security since before you were born and they are very good at what they do.  Because you choose to listen to drama-whores who have an axe to grind (no doubt because they were caught doing something wrong and got their wrists slapped) and not to me is your problem, not mine.  I won't have you running around talking shit about my staff when you were not even at the damned convention.  Get your facts straight, stop being a drama-monger, and consider for a quarter of a second that there's enough tension in the world without you creating more where it shouldn't exist." to you.
page kagemushi = They've been doing convention security since 1969? I hardly fucking doubt that. That's first of all. SECOND of all there have been parts that I have witnessed that they have put their hands on people for doing things that are minor infractions (eg. riding a elevator from the 3rd floor to the 1st floor lobby). Also, the dorsai just don't do AC.. they're not JUST AC staff they run alot of other conventions and other events and I have heard many a time where some of the staff have overstepped their bounds. I am not trying to bring anything or start shit. I don't give a damn about you, AC or the Dorsai. I DO care about the people that go and want those people to have a safe and fun time.
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You page, "They've been doing convention security since 1969? I hardly fucking doubt that. That's first of all. SECOND of all there have been parts that I have witnessed that they have put their hands on people for doing things that are minor infractions (eg. riding a elevator from the 3rd floor to the 1st floor lobby). Also, the dorsai just don't do AC.. they're not JUST AC staff they run alot of other conventions and other events and I have heard many a time where some of the staff have overstepped their bounds. I am not trying to bring anything or start shit. I don't give a damn about you, AC or the Dorsai. I DO care about the people that go and want those people to have a safe and fun time." to Kagemushi.
page kagemushi = But y'know what? Yer right. this is your con and everything else and I shouldn't go around posting stuff without my facts straight. And I haven't.. I pulled everything as you can see and I won't say another word about Anthrocon for the rest of my days on this earth. But I do say this, Kage. I have been nice about this and I have taken your abuse and harsh words.. and have done so up to a point. The reason I posted a retraction btw is because Xydexx ASKED me and didn't yell at me or threaten me. That was the way to go.. not the way you went.
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You page, "But y'know what? Yer right. this is your con and everything else and I shouldn't go around posting stuff without my facts straight. And I haven't.. I pulled everything as you can see and I won't say another word about Anthrocon for the rest of my days on this earth. But I do say this, Kage. I have been nice about this and I have taken your abuse and harsh words.. and have done so up to a point. The reason I posted a retraction btw is because Xydexx ASKED me and didn't yell at me or threaten me. That was the way to go.. not the way you went." to Kagemushi.
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Kagemushi pages, "You're right.  We're through." to you.

And he put me on ignore after that.

Oh and here's something that alot of you may or may not know. Y'know how Kage is on TV during Anthrocon ? How he goes well we're all a squeaky clean group here and blah blah blah? Were not perverted at all!

Meet Rogue. http://rogue.macrophile.com/

Rogue is Kage's alt. Period. I don't give a damn if people don't believe me because I already know the truth. Look at the stories and all that.. now is that considered CLEAN and WHOLESOME?

I think not.

Uncle Kagemushi ..  a walking hypocrite

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Yeah Rogue kinda became common knowledge after the WYS parade of retards marched through the Internet fandom early last year. I suspect it was pretty much an open secret among some before then, but of course WYS was full of children, so there you go.

You'd have thought that woulda done some damage to Kage's credibility, but then I suppose there were people who (genuinely) supported Nicolae Ceauşescu throughout the eighties, too.
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The Rogue thing was common knowledge in the days of CYD.  It's so minor I don't believe it bears mention, the guy has a character and a fetish, that's not uncommon and doesn't really impact his work at AC.  Yes, he lies about how squeaky clean furry is to the media.  Him getting his crush fetish on doesn't make that lie any more blatant.  (Though Uncle Tom comparisons do abound.)

I wouldn't suppose there's a copy of that original journal post?  For all that's been said and written about Kage over the past decade, nobody's documented anything in detail about the Dorsai.  Their record as a goon squad in fingerless gloves and stupid hats is hilarious enough, and apparently they even filk.
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Y'know with the Dorsai horror stories making the rounds as of late you'd think somebody or some website would write up an expose about them.

Now where could I find such a website...

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The Rogue thing was common knowledge in the days of CYD.  It's so minor I don't believe it bears mention, the guy has a character and a fetish, that's not uncommon and doesn't really impact his work at AC.  Yes, he lies about how squeaky clean furry is to the media.  Him getting his crush fetish on doesn't make that lie any more blatant.  (Though Uncle Tom comparisons do abound.)

I wouldn't suppose there's a copy of that original journal post?  For all that's been said and written about Kage over the past decade, nobody's documented anything in detail about the Dorsai.  Their record as a goon squad in fingerless gloves and stupid hats is hilarious enough, and apparently they even filk.

Here's a copy. Thank god for Gmail ;)

To whom it may concern,

My name is Thomas Riccardi (aka Johnny Blanco in the furry community)
and I have been meaning to write this letter for the longest time.
Why? Because this is about one convention and one convention only..
and I know you can guess it.

Anthrocon.

Anthrocon granted has grown in size and in attendance every year and I
am fine with that. Also it's grown in popularity and of course the
need for a security force has always been prominent at this convention
else there would be utter chaos. So the Dorsai were called in to do a
great security job and all I have to say is this.

You people fail. Every year to do so.

Why do I say this? Simply put you bring on a few bad apples every year
and these bad apples act like cops with a badge. Now I could go ahead
into a tirade of long curses, expletives and on and on but that won't
make you people take me seriously. Instead let me go ahead and bring
up facts starting from this year:

Fact: Like most other big cons of the past (and AC is no exception)
there is always a big dose of drama there that gets around sadly... A
friend of mind apperently was confronted by a Dorsai, ( con seceurity,
of whom should be re-named to Dicksai ) by getting on the elevator on
the third floor. Most know there is a rule that the 2nd and 3rd floors
are restricted for entering the elevators, but simple mistakes happen
late at night ( when there is nobody in the lobboy linup anyways) so
the particular staff member proceeded to rip his conbadge off his
shirt, tearing his badge holder, and also reported he was pushed
agianst the wall.
- Now if im correct, both of those are chargable offences, ( assault,
and confinement) That incident sort fo reminded me of a simmilar one
last year to a friend, where a con staff Dicksai ripped a conbadge
from his fursuit , and ripping out fur in the process. Thats enough to
warrant a lawsuit against the con staff member for damages if he had
persued it. (if that happened here in canada it would have been bad
for the con staff.
After 9 years of attending AC, i coud see a rise in Con staff related
incidents & discrepencies regarding the con security, where some of
the security went a little to far and crossed the line with people,
... its almost like its going to their heads and treating the con like
a military camp in some of the cases. It reminds me of the time when
one of the dicksai ( i wont mention this particular assholes name)
decided to grab the fur on the shoulder of Dakkota and almost tear it,
because i may have been standing a little to close to the bottom of an
escilator for his tastes and authourity went to his head.... I grabbed
his wrist with alot fo force to resist him tearing my suit and told
him to imediately remove his hand or i would imideately call police
and press charges, then after he let go i told him i would be going
back to my room and if i found any damage WHAT SO EVER i would be
contacting my lawyers and filling a lawsuit against him and any
nessasary other parties & sue for damages & assult. Sadly the jackass
still serves on con staff of AC... it probally time for the con heads
to wake up and get a grip on these out of control loose cannons they
have on their Dicksai staff before on of them does somthing stupid and
results the con committee getting in a heap of legal battles,
lawsuits, charges, etc. But its not likely to change untill its to
late and somthing do happen. Anthrocon is getting big, almost to big,
and one day somthign is going to go wrong in a bad way.

This was taken from a friends journal.

Fact: A friend of mine ran the headless lounge by himself. He was told
that he was going to have backup in the way of the dorsai.. guess
what.. didn't happen. This led to the lounge being closed EARLY and
pissing off alot of suiters. Now there are some suiters that do not
want to go back to AC because it's getting too big.

Fact: Anthrocon 2007 my mate was barked at from a Dorsai because he
removed his head during a fursuit parade. Reason he did that? HE COULD
NOT BREATHE! What would you have him do? STAY THERE in the head and
PASS OUT?

Fact: The security force, dorsai, have been belligerent to some
attendees and vendors/dealers in some cases. They are lacking in good
customer service, majorly. Also from another friends journal

Fact: A friend of mine who shall remain nameless no longer serves with
the Dorsai because of "The way they handle things"

All this leads up to one point.

You have two choices. a) Clean house and severely monitor your staff
at Anthrocon from now on or b)  Step down and let someone professional
handle the security for the event.

The reason I say this? Simply put things are going to come to a head
and when they do someone will either be charged with criminal charges
, lawsuit or worse.. the most extreme example I can see is either
someone hospitalized or someone dead.

I will be posting this letter to my LJ and FA account . You don't have
to respond.

Just felt like venting my frustrations. And you know what? It feels
damned good.

Johnny

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2011, 07:57:21 pm »
So, I'm guessing the point of this post is: when complaining to con staff, don't let them know your real name.

As far as the Dorsai go, I haven't made it to Anthrocon so I can't say what these folks are all about but the idea of having non-furry volunteer staff at a fur con strikes me as odd.

Why would someone who isn't a furry volunteer to work at a fur-con? That sounds like a lot of work for very little reward. Someone who is a fur might want to participate in the con but they (the Dorsai) obviously aren't interested in this subject matter (yes, I realize there are a few furries among them). So I can't see why someone would do this other than the huge power trip they get to have for the weekend.

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2011, 12:32:22 am »
Honestly?

I am greatly ashamed to admit that, when I was much younger, I was part of a congoing group whose goal was to provide 'convention security'.  They were never actually -hired- to do such, and I mostly hung around them because we'd play D&D and M:TG and such, but the 'leader' insisted they were a 'con security' group.

He was an obese, infirm man, far too old to be hanging out with the 18 year olds who somehow wound up getting drafted into his group, who may have at some point in his life had military aspirations, but very likely never got as far as even enlisting (let alone basic training).  He was also always the DM for the D&D games, and the arbiter of all rule conflicts in M:TG games, and just in general a control nut.

I imagine the dorsai are something similar.  At least some of the men involved probably had military or police aspirations at some point in their lives, and they got hung up on the rank and drilling and orderly teamwork and such, but they just couldn't hack it in a real-world situation.  So they got a bunch of friends together, formed a 'convention security' group, and decided to start volunteering for animal control at a convention whose primary attendees are terrified at the mere mention of authority.  In other words, what you might call 'a really easy gig'.

Finally, don't think for a second that they aren't receiving some non-psychological benefit from all this.  There are a lot of people involved, and that's a lot of money to get everyone together and travel to the convention.  I'm willing to bet the con covers their suite, their travel, and probably their alcohol.

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2011, 03:37:52 am »
Provincial's basically got it down. At its core, it's a free travel, drinking party and power trip club for a group of sci-fi greybeards and some younger help. The wording you always hear around them being picked up for a con is 'hired', so they certainly get travel and expenses free, though I doubt anyone really sees any money out of it. As much as I'd love to see a good expose on them, their very nature apart from Furry and as a closed group makes inside dirt really hard to come by.

The most amazing part about them is the scale of their impunity at AC: sure, there are the usual little stories, of which I have a few myself. But the real problem is they have too much trust from the leadership: I really think at this point Kage&co. would never believe the Dorsai could EVER do anything wrong. A few years back, they brought Giza into their ranks. So you have the ops director, nominally in charge of security, being part of the people you're 'hiring' to do security. In the real world, we'd use phrases like 'conflict of interest' or 'undue influence' in such a situation. This is Furry, though, and as I recall the announcement was made to significant applause.
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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2011, 08:17:36 am »
What ProvincialTwit said. I don't know how Kage hooked onto the Dorsai, who were originally created as security teams for science-fiction conventions because rent-a-cops didn't understand geek behavior at cons and were even worse control freaks.  Security for Anthrocon back around 2000 was handled by a group of furries of which the core originated from the Ottawa/Montreal area and - what do you know - the head guy was a military and gun enthusiast. Ten years later, not much change. In this 2011 video, he's the guy in the beret.

One advantage of the Dorsai is that if some furry idiot is causing trouble, they're not immersed enough in the fandom to care about popularity wars based on whoever the idiot says he knows, trying to get out of trouble.  Unfortunately the same lack of immersion means they're less beholden to repercussions if their members start throwing their weight around.

Another unusual thing about the Dorsai is that they work at both science-fiction and furry conventions - a rare cross-over.  Furry fandom is pretty insular in that most of its members don't go to non-furry conventions, though there's the occasional fursuiter or anime fan and such.  And most people who go to anime and SF conventions stay the heck away from furry conventions.  So I'm curious what stories about Anthrocon the Dorsai take with them to tell the SF crowd.

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2011, 02:41:52 pm »
Nothing's going to happen until there's a lot of public pressure to change (something drastic like "The Dorsai threw Adam Wan down a flight of stairs" would have to happen though) OR if someone presses legal action against the convention due to the Dorsai overstepping their bounds.

There was a story posted to Lulz prior to this year's AC where the OP said they were once denied use of the convention center elevators by the Dorsai despite having a medical condition with their leg. Not only is this just the wrong thing to do, it's also illegal under the Americans with Disabilities Act and probably a violation of Anthrocon's contract with the convention center. But since this is furry, and not real life, no one will do anything because if they dared bring a lawsuit against anyone, Kage would say they're worse than Terrorists and they'd be outcast from the "fandom". Oh no!

People should probably also start recording these types of things. But they probably won't because they don't want to get "banned" from the convention because they dared to try to hold the rent-a-cops accountable created "negative press".

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2011, 03:07:50 pm »
It would have to be someone who didn't give a shit about their social position in furry, but at the same time cared enough to press the issue. Which is basically to say, for all the reasons everyone's pointed out, it'll never happen.

It's been like this for years...everyone knows someone, and there's been whispers about stuff that "crossed the line"...but thanks to social pressures the sycophants will always have a blanket of plausible deniability.

I wonder how much the senior Dorsai leadership is being "replenished" as it were...could they be enough of a closed group that once these aging diabeetus sacks kick off in their sixties, that the group will be no more, at least in its current form?

And the only thing I don't think anyone's pointed out re: the psychological machinations of the Dorsai, is that these are people who love wielding authority (and the- however incredulous for these guys- threat of violence) over other people. There's a fucking lot of other shit that goes into being military or police, shit that these guys can't ever understand. Stuff like being able to resolve conflict in a peaceful manner, being able to solve problems and connect the dots...they just want to stand in front of people with their arms crossed, gun in the holster, and grunt "no". THAT's why they probably couldn't hack it in the "real world", but with cities desperate to lock up their black youth get "crime" under control, the standards are vastly lower than they were when any of these beardos were in any kind of physical shape for military or police work.

Most of these types (of which there are a few in furry) get jobs along the rent-a-cop lines. Presumably these guys were too pathetic even for that.
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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2011, 05:03:58 pm »
I agreed with almost everything in that statement except for one. There were a few people who were on Dorsai staff back in 1999 that were in the RCMP. They decided to opt out of the Dorsai because they "did not like the way it was being run". That's fact. I hear horror stories from my friend about what they used to do and I just shake my head and go.. man.. some of these people need to get their asses handed to them.