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ProvincialTwit and GreenReaper are both probably right—unless he's managing or heading his team, he probably *is* doing grunt work, but at the same time most companies will pay a premium for advanced degrees, especially in pharmaceuticals where they're still, you know, making money.
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I sniffed around a bit, and it seems that a principal chemist makes a decent amount of money even on the lower end of the pay scale.  I don't see why Kage could not spare something even at the low end of US $55K.  Unless he is somehow in a less common position when he is making something far lower than the average range, I guess.  But still, that seems unlikely.  

Hell, even the low end of that job pays $15K more than I am currently making, yet even I would be in a better position to spare some cash here or there.  

Does Kage turn a profit on Anthrocon?  He is listed as a CEO of "Anthrocon, Inc." and they do set ambitious targets for fundraising (I heard that they tried to raise US $250K for animals or something during Anthrocon).  Not to mention people with fursuits are most likely well off in some cases if they can shell out thousands for such things.  Or perhaps Kage is simply fiscally irresponsible due to a lack of intelligence.
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$250,000 seems like a high number. If that's really the level of fundraising they're capable of, I'd be interested to know the breakdown of their donations. It's probably on some PA state government website, seeing as they're 501(c)(3).
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$250,000 seems like a high number. If that's really the level of fundraising they're capable of, I'd be interested to know the breakdown of their donations. It's probably on some PA state government website, seeing as they're 501(c)(3).

It looks like I heard things incorrectly. It turns out that Anthrocon was simply trying to get votes together so some animal charity could end up getting $250K from some contest.  Nevertheless, I still do wonder just how much money Anthrocon, Inc. happens to take in, especially considering that fursuiters tend to be well off and fly in from all over the world to attend Anthrocon in the first place.
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Depends. As far as I know, the majority of conventions are not money-making operations. Even the big ones can lose more than they gain fairly easily. If you take the generous view of that, the organizers lose money on it because they want others to enjoy what they have created. The less-generous is that they consider it money well spent for so much attention, adoration, and relative power.

Of course I also imagine that a furry convention's overhead is probably less than that of an anime convention, the only sort that I have even a little tiny bit insight into the workings of. If a furry convention wants a prominent fandom guest, the most they might have to do is offer to pay hotel fare and maybe travel expenses. An anime convention wants a prominent guest, they have to pay for a better hotel fare, better travel expenses (quite possibly from Japan), and then throw an extra something-something on top of that, most likely. Especially since a lot of the bigger conventions have started bringing in J-pop bands.

Anyway. It's possible that it pulls in a decent profit, but it's not guaranteed. I'm betting the payments to the hotel eat up a ton of money alone. Still, not being able to shell out for a super-saver fare or something just because you wanted your buddy to come with you is pretty lame.

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The only furry cons I've heard of with live music (a huge expense all things considered) are FAU and FC, much of which for both is volunteer, and certainly not continuous.
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Anthrocon is a non-profit...at least according to the IRS. Which means their financial records are public domain. If one was to write their treasurer asking for the records, and their fail to provide them; they get fined.

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Don't they have to file disclosure statements with their state government? Seems like these sorts of things would probably be online.
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Anthrocon is a non-profit...at least according to the IRS. Which means their financial records are public domain. If one was to write their treasurer asking for the records, and their fail to provide them; they get fined.

I suppose I could try to sniff this out if I have more spare time.  But assuming this is true, I still find it laughable that some guy making at least US $55K per year (more than the average person) can't manage to spot some cash for his little friend.  I guess when it comes to Kage, it is all about helping one's "fellow furries" until he actually has to help a "fellow furry" himself.  The guy just confirms the negative aspects of a lot of furries with his very actions.
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I think you're missing the whole point of why this is so ridiculous. 

Forget what he does or doesn't earn.  Forget whether or not AC turns a profit and/or whether he's pocketing any of that money.  Conway not fronting the cash himself is not the story here; that's not why this is so absurd nor why it deserves to be posted in this thread.

The point is that Conway has such an inflated sense of self-importance, and has spent so long cooped up in the little cult of personality he's manufactured over the last decade, that he outright expects and demands that any mere peasant who dares call themselves a furry should bow down and cater to his every whim.  In most cases, his 'whims' involve the plebs parting with as much of their cash as he can extract (reg fees, buying lots of crap from artists, covering his food/drinks, paying his way to various other cons), and still keep them coming year after year.  The difference is, all those things in parens back there have some sort of perceived value to the rubes coughing up the cash; while the latter two seem intangible, they still serve as 'bragging rights' for the idiots involved, and thus, 'perceived value'. 

What is special about this particular 'whim' of Conway's is that there is no value, tangible or perceived, for anyone but him and his butt buddy 2.  Not even furries are stupid enough to somehow convince themselves that throwing away what little extra cash they may have on this gives them any sort of bragging rights or indeed any benefit whatsoever.  Conway either cannot contribute (which I suspect), or doesn't feel like contributing, and either way just expects the money to come flying in simply because the request is coming from HIM. 

That is why it is funny, and ridiculous, and belongs in this thread.  The guy's got his head so far up his ass from the pressure of his own unwarranted self-importance, that he expects all the lesser faggots throw money at him on demand, so he can hang out with his ranting douche buddy at a convention.  Good game next fucking map sir.

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Hey, come on now. The determination of whether Kage could have conceivably fronted the money himself is a determining factor in how much of a delusional ass he is. That he is a delusional ass with entitlement issues isn't something that is in question, but if we just noted it and left it as it was, Vivisector would have like one comment a week as opposed to the bustling five or seven there is now!

If Kage is just getting by and expected other people to foot 2's bill, then yes, he is a delusional, entitled twat who's out of touch with reality. If Kage actually had the money to bring 2 along, but rather than spending it chose to demand cash from the whole of furry, then he is not only a delusional twat who's out of touch with reality, he's also a cheapskate asshole who's truly got an epic entitlement complex.

It's sort of the difference between whether Hugh Hefner has five girlfriends, or whether he has five girlfriends and secret cameras in their rooms. One makes him a horny old man, the other makes him a dirty old pervert. That he's popping viagra like Hollywood pops vicadin is not in question, it's just a matter of degree.

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Depends. As far as I know, the majority of conventions are not money-making operations. Even the big ones can lose more than they gain fairly easily.

Thankfully, the days of furry conventions hemorrhaging money and forcing organizers to the brink of bankruptcy mostly died with ConFurence. I'd rather have stable, financially sound events than rely on that level of generosity.

Don't they have to file disclosure statements with their state government? Seems like these sorts of things would probably be online.

Federal government; state typically only requires director info. Not only are they online, they've been summarized on WikiFur for the last four years - along with the other cons earning enough to file Form 990[-EZ]. The latest figures are from 2009, though arguably 2008 is more representative since they changed the fiscal year in '09. See linked sources for full details.

AC appears fiscally well-managed. Expenses are less than $60/person ($56.58 for 2009). Pretty damn good considering AC pays for a significant chunk of a convention center in the middle of a union city.

As for 2; while I'm sure Kage enjoys 2 being there, the claim that others also benefit from his presence has merit. If donations are required for 2 to attend, equity suggests all those who benefit should contribute.

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As for 2; while I'm sure Kage enjoys 2 being there, the claim that others also benefit from his presence has merit. If donations are required for 2 to attend, equity suggests all those who benefit should contribute.

While the claim that others benefit from 2's presence may have some merit, that merit only really seems to exist in Conway's mind.  And while I'm sure his LJ (or wherever that was) post about how he'll be all sad and lonely without his little butt buddy along for the ride was at least partially made in jest, he -is- a furry after all, and there's probably more than a small grain of truth to it.  I see the whole thing as a thinly veiled threat/demand - essentially, "cough up your money so I can drag 2 along, or I'll be all pissy and whiny at the con because I didn't get my way."

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I have experience in running smaller anime cons and while AC is the largest furry con it's actually mid sized at best in comparison to anime cons.  Anime North in Canada does like 15 000, Anime Expo is the largest in this US with 44 000 people in 2009.  These large cons absolutely make profit, but it's a massive ammount of effort and greatly dependant on free labor.  Even though the profitable cons make lots of money, the ratio of work vs profit that someone could personally take in from it without depleating it's resources is aweful.  You could easily make more money for less work working at McDonalds for the year.  The fan run convention is just that, fan run, it's a hobby and in some cases a hobby that turned into a five digit attendance monster, but still just a hobby.  Only an idiot would start up a convention expecting it to be a turn key cash cow.

Which, there actually is such a guy in my city.  Convinced he could make $10 000 of profits in the first on a convention in a city of 500 000 people.  It was to be an an extension of his sound and lighting company he owned, would keep some profits, it'd be a huge boost to him he said.  I can't tell you exactly how well the convention is going and I can't tell you how well his sound and lighting company is going... But I can tell you that he's also delivering for Pizza Hut now.

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Only an idiot would start up a convention expecting it to be a turn key cash cow.

At the risk of dragging this thread even farther off topic, that's pretty much why Conifur was formed and part of why it subsequently died.

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At the risk of dragging this thread even farther off topic, that's pretty much why Conifur was formed and part of why it subsequently died.

Maybe we need a new thread for this, but I remember a few years ago AlohaWolf (of Califur fame) wanted to create a new convention (arbitrarily deciding on Las Vegas as the location, without consulting the locals) that sounded to me to basically be an attempt to bring the Lexus-Toyota model to furry conventions—the price of admission was to be a selling point in itself. They would limit it to 21+, and basically the attendance fee would be something like $400, to keep out the riff-raff (!). Of course, the whole idea pretty much lived and died in one flame-thread on some local furry board, where he was roasted basically for being a money-grubbing carpetbagger (which he totally is, btw), but yeah...the idea of creating a con for personal enrichment has been tried before.
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and basically the attendance fee would be something like $400, to keep out the riff-raff (!).

Is anyone vaguely reminded of Calvin steadily increasing the prices of his lemonade because he had no buyers...?

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2010, 04:52:50 am »
Kage = Rogue?

Here's a google cache to look at before it disappears from the tubes:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2c1J1LYejGYJ:wys.mirror.henriwatson.com/forums/printthread.php

So, does Samuel "My con is good wholesome family fun" Conway really have a not-so-secret macrogore fetish? One in which he "murders, massacres and masturbates on the corpses of people he's killed and crushed en masse"? Who'd have thunk it.

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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2010, 09:57:29 am »
Kage = Rogue?

What are you like new to the fandom? It's an obvious open secret. Their websites are in the same layout, linking to each other with 'my friend the megawolf/chemist' language. He even is quite proud to have named his fetish; 'Macrophilia". I seem to recall him, posting as Rogue, using "Dr. Conway" as a reference for some blog sounding discussion on Macrophilia to make it sound legit.

Not to mention if you find old enough Cougr porn of Rogue it says 'Character(c) S. Conway' right on it. It seems a very open secret/obvious alt until he took over AC.
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Re: post in this thread every time uncle kage goes on a drunken power trip
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2010, 07:06:42 pm »
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