A while ago I made the mistake of arguing with Dragoneer as to why Java (and others like her) should be banned from FA. It didn't go well:
Opening post:
A while ago I left a derogatory shout or two on Javachickn's FA page. I know it was kind of a pointless move. Flaming her isn't gonna do a damn thing for anyone, but I was pretty pissed off.
And I still am. Over the past six months, furry has become a more dangerous place. Steps must be taken to keep dangerous people out or things could get even worse.
Allison Reed is but one example a new breed of zoophile, one that uses the furry community as a means of support.
Anyway, you probably already know that she's returned (
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/birds/).
Her line of thinking is that if she deletes enough of her old stuff and changes online handles enough times, people will eventually forget and stop caring. I don't think we can afford for this to happen. So I thought I'd ask you to intervene on this one.
I'm asking that you ban her and any accounts she makes in the future. Since California's laws regarding beastiality sre apparently useless, the least we could do is to make it difficult for her to use the furry subculture as a support network.
After all, you banned Allan for being a scam artist and a nuisance to the community. Why not extend that blacklist to other people that we can all agree are not welcome here?
Second post:
>Allison has not violated FA rules by taking the actions that she did
>on this site, and as such, I can not take action or allow action to be
>taken against her.
So why's Gembeck banned, then? His entire kiddie porno saga took place completely outside of the site, and he's not due back on the internet for about a decade. Unless there's an evidenciary goldmine buried inside his PMs or something, there's no real point to banning or freezing the account.
>There are many things I disagree with, but it comes down to state law.
>If people took issue with her actions they should have (and they did)
>report her to the authorities. FA does not take to action what happens
>outside of the site. We can not, will not, go by that.
The point is that we've tried the authorities. They did jack shit because (1) they suck and (2) the law sucks. Of all the states that have anti-beastiality laws, California has some of the weakest. You'll hear stories of other people all over the country getting one-way trips to the slammer for doing what Allison did.
This is unacceptable, and we need to send a message that this is unacceptable. If we don't, then that means that every time we claim to support animal welfare, we're being hypocrites.
Because apparently, if members of this community produce enough art and are popular enough, they can get away with all sorts of nasty bullshit. That is the message you are sending right now by doing absolutely nothing about this woman.
Third post:
>Gembeck was banned because Fur Affinity takes a strict stand against
>pedophilia, and announced long ago that we'd ban anybody who was
>involved or convicted, as well as turn them over to authorities.
Well, it would be nice if you guys took an equally strict stand against all other forms of sex crime. Why? Furry is first and foremost a fetish subculture. Therefore, the safety of it's participants should take the highest priority. Even if there isn't an arrest or conviction, everyone else has the right to know if something like this goes down. I do not understand why shit like this shouldn't result in a lifetime ban, no questions asked.
>Bestiality is another story, and it is still legal in many parts of
>the US. If the law and authorities did not take action there is little
>I could do. If she were convicted of animal abuse and bestiality I
>would take similar action to her as I did to Gembeck, but as such, it
>is what it is.
So you think just letting her get off scot free is the best option here? You can do something. Ban her and you will be sending a message, a message that her kind are not welcome here. It's not just about the law, it's about people who absolutely do not have any business participating in the furry subculture because they are a danger to themselves and others.
Just because some states have shitty laws doesn't mean she and others like her shouldn't at least get some sort of token slap on the wrist. Allison uses Furaffinity as a source of income; interrupting that income, however briefly, would count as punitive action. It wouldn't be much, but it would be something. And something is better than nothing.
>And no, I don't cut slack for people. I banned Starfinder for now
>following the rules of the site, and she's fairly popular, so don't
>give me any of that "Dragoneer sides with the artist bullshit" because
>I've banned more than my share of people popular in this fandom.
Why did you pick Starfinder, of all people, as an example? She's not even banned anymore. A petty fraudster is worlds away from a sexual predator.
This happened roughly over the course of the last six months. Dragoneer's last reply was a month or two ago.
I suppose it could be argued that the FA admins have better things to do than pick all the dogfuckers off the site, but I'm not seeing why they can't at least ban the prominent ones. As of now it seems that you have to be a CONVICTED dogfucker/child molester/other to be banned from the site. And as you can see, in many states that's a bit difficult.
This is old news, but I figure I'd post the PMs here if I was unsuccessful in convincing him to do the right thing.